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I was watching the news the other nite when a shocking story really got me thinking..[b]it was about a girl hoo got attacked by her friends rotweiler[/b]..the reason it got me thinking was because the girl, she was prolly around 20 years old, hoo got attacked was just [color=darkblue]petting[/color] the dog when all of a sudden it [size=6][color=green]snapped[/color][/size]. I always here stories about rotweilers attacking kids hoo are upsetting it but in this case just out of nowhere the dog attacked..can anyone spread a little light on this subject? [u][b][size=7][color=red]are rotweilers really more dangerous/killers than other dogs? [/color][/size] [/b] [/u]

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Rotties in the right hands from what I've seen are slobbering loving dogs, lovely pets.
However, as they are seen as a macho breed, the macho idiots who own them dont tend to be the best of owners, and there lack of training/socialisation is what causes these problems.
It the people whose hands they are in that are dangerous, any dog in the wrong hands can be dangerous.

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My 13 year old son has 2 rotties. In that house there are [b]a lot [/b]of kids and always little ones visiting. The dogs have never hurt anybody. Sometimes the male rottie has growled and my sons Father picks him up and puts him in his place. This dog must weigh 189lbs! :o
I just love the female. She smiles at me when i go over there. Theres been more problems with German Shepards around here than any other breed. No rottie problem, a few pit bull problems. It comes from the owner not caring about the dog, not watching the dog and not properly training it as a pup. Those breeds more prone to bite, need to be socialized as a pup and kept socialized throughout their lives.

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i have owned two rottie`s. one i have at present called Laylah (here as my avatar) who is mentioned on many post`s here in he forum and is the most loving, gentle, slobbering dog you`d wish to meet. most people that have met her want to take her home with them. I have 3 young kids who are in the house constantly with her, 2 cats and 3 chinchilla`s also in the house and she wouldn`t dream of harming a hair on their heads. We also have 3 other dogs in he house who she lives with quite happily.
My other rottie called Bronwin, has gone to the rainbow bridge now, god bless her :angel: and she too lived in the house with my kids who were babies then, two cats etc, she lived to be 14yrs old and never harmed a person for all her living years. When our cat had kittens she even picked one up gently in her mouth put it down and washed it, before putting it back with the others, without harming one hair on it`s head. she was a little darling.

if you read some of the posts regarding Laylah you will she that we are training her with a trainer from a reputable school, as any responsible owner would. The problems start when a dog (not just a rottie), any breed of dog gets put in the hands of an idiot that you then have trouble.
UNFORTUNATLEY the rottie breed along with a few other breeds has been given a bad reputation and labelled a dangerous dog, it is a very mis-understood breed, it should be the irresponsible owners that gave such breeds a bad name that are labelled "dangerous" and not the dogs. :(

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:oFunny You Should Mention Because...If This Is The Incoddent I Think You Are Talking About Snoop-Dog, Then I'll Tell You That That *26* year old is not only my neighbour but my cousin...Yes It Was A Rottie And She Was Bringing The Owner ( who is her friend ) food for the dog because I guess the owner had none left...The Dog Was Joyfull And All Of A Sudden, he snapped at her eye...Not Sure Where Abouts You Live Snoop-Dog, but if u were to look in the "Ottawa Sun" on May 7th's paper, you will see Erin McCallum, my cousin :cry:

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Rotties are guarding breed dogs...and how they are raised is very important to their behavior. They need to be trained, disciplined and
DOMINATED by their owners. Any dog that is allowed to be Alpha in the household will become dangerous and can bite - Rotties tend to be very
dominance-orientated and large, a bad combination if they're not trained right. That's true of most of the guarding breeds, like German Shepherds. This sounds to me like a dominance issue - she had the food, he wanted it, and feeling that it was his place as Alpha he snapped for it.

Another cause can be bad breeding, which causes mental instability.
Either way, the dog has taken charge and needs to be demoted from his top-dog position. But Rotties trained and treated well are loving, slobbering
masses of hugs and kisses.
It depends on the owner and the training the dog gets.

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Our friends have a rottie (use to have two, their both gone to the rainbow bride now, god bless 'em :angel: ) and a Shitz -u (sp?). Their other two were sweeties too, and their newer one, Harley is just the biggest galoot!! When we took Coal there before, Coal was scared and hid behind me for a while, but then realized Harley just wanted to play, so started jumpin at him! haha It's funny, cuz Feena, she's kina short lady, Harley is her baby, then her husband, Art, his baby is the little shitz-u who's got a little pink ribbon in his hair! :lol: :lol: :roll: Every Rottie exculding one (drug dealers :roll: ) that I have ever met have been the sweetest thing ever.

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[quote name='mouseatthebusstop']i agree with the others
[size=7][color=red]THERE ARE NO BAD DOGS JUST BAD OWNERS[/color][/size][/quote]

I agree. I saw statistics on the top biters. I think the Golden Retriever was at the top of the list. Let me see if I can locate that link again and I'll post it.

I feel ANY DOG, specially the little ones, can be biters if they are not properly trained and disciplined. Poor Rotties -- they're getting a bad rap just like the Pit Bulls :(

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Speaking in general, not about the incident posted.

OK, I'm probably gonna get yelled at for saying this but, I think it's very true so I'm gonna say it anyway. I have Dobes, they're a protective breed just as Rotties are. With a breed like either of those there's a greater responsibility placed on the owners. Obedience isn't an option, it's a must....these breeds also need owners with very strong leadership qualities. If the owner doesn't take charge, the dog will. Extensive socialization is also very important. What you can "get away with" with a Lab or Golden is not acceptable for a protective breed of dog. If you don't want to put in the work, don't get one.

Yes, in most cases when an "incident" occured it was due to the owner. Either through ignorance or some idiot wanting a "mean" dog. However, and it is a big however, not all Dobe or Rottie breeders are created equal. There are a lot of folks producing dogs like this that have absolutley no business doing it. They simply throw together a dog and bitch to make puppies without consideration to temperament, health issues, structure and drives. Even a responsible person who wound up with a high drive Dobe with questionable temperament would be hard pressed to do anything but euthanize it.

Yes, most of the time it is the owner but occasionally it is the fault of the breeder. Yet another reason to do a lot of research before you buy a dog. I'd say particularly a protective breed dog but, since I know two person and dog aggressive Golden Retrievers, I suppose it's any breed that's popular enough for idiot BYBers or puppymillers to get into.

I feel bad for the Rotties, they've become very popular and that's when more problems crop up due to lousy breeding. Dobes have dropped a lot in popularity but, they usually get a black eye in the media simply because Hollywood loves to use them as "attack" dogs in films, videos and tv shows.

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Absolutely not! Some men murder, that does not make them all murderers. It just happens that the media likes to ruin the reputation of the Pitt Bull and the rottweiler, and they do a good job. The impression people give you when you mention that your dog is a rottweiler or rottie mix...my oh my, like "why would you ever own such an aggressive dog."

No. Rotties remind me of labs in rottie clothing, they are big babies and wonderful creatures! The thing is, they are not dogs for everyone. Not every home is right for a rottweiler, especially those who are uneducated about the breed and do not know how to trian their dog. I have a rottie/lab mix who is the sweetest thing on earth, he is a big bundle of joy full of happiness and love...and he has never ever tried to snap at anyone. But, he has tried to kiss some people to death...I must say he is innocent of that 8)

The rottweiler is an amazing breed, that takes special training, care, love, time, and patience. The manner in which the dog is raised, the environment in which it is raised, and the reason for why it was trained all effect the dog's temperment, even so the lines that they came from and the temperment of their parents. Many people take Pitts and Rotties and us them as "guard", or shall we say "attack", dogs...they try to make themselves look big and mighty by walking around with, what most people think of, as a 'scary' looking dog. They ruin the image of the breed, because most of them are young teenagers or in their early 20's who do not know how to care for such a breed, who do not know the training that is necessary, and who raise the dog to be nothing but harmful.

I would never ever describe a rottweiler as dangerous or aggressive, they are anything but that! It is people who take breeds and give them such a "bad" image, owners are the most dangerous things to dogs. And just as any dog can be trained to be as loving as possible and as well behaved as possible, humans can take a dog and make it the opposite.

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This will be shorter than I want it to, since my sleep was just interrupted and it's 5:00AM :)

Some breeds of dogs are not for everyone, quite simply put. Dogs that are typically used for guard work are a good example of this. They're very headstrong, and under the right conditions *can* become agressive. However, every dog can. The amount of pushing it takes varies. Dogs are dogs. When provoked enough, they can't quietly say "stop it" (they may bark, but that might not be enough of a deterrant). They may not realize that they've gone too far.

So, your answer is a big NO ... Rottweilers are not killers. I've known two Dobermans who would fight over who got custody of my lap. I've been "mauled" (no stitches required, but close) by a cockapoo, shih-tzu, and pug.

Rottweilers attract news attention because of the way that they've been portrayed in popular culture - as guard dogs who will fight to the kill. Also, a Rottweiler's jaws are stronger, and even a slight nip can cause a considerable amount of damage... this doesn't mean that damage was the intention.

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Responsible owners of any breed DO take care not to put their dogs into situations where harm could occur, either to the dog or to other humans. Even though my rottie, Max, is a wonderfully happy, even-tempered dog, I don't take him to my school several times a year as I do with Ben, my saint.

Do I think that Max would bite or lunge at a student? No..... I simply don't want to take the risk that some unforseen circumstance would frighten him or frighten a child and give either a bad experience. I am responsible for his well-being, so I must be careful to do what it best for him. It is a matter of knowing your dog (no matter the breed) and using sound judgement!

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Exactly, about the responsible owners. I owned a Thoroughbred for about two years, and in the wrong hands, they can become incredibly unpredictable. Two of my best friends during that time period were also riders, and were constantly begging me to ride him, and I refused. They were both perfectly competant riders and owned multiple horses, but their experience was limited to schoolhorses and older "bomb-proof" mounts. I don't think that anything would have happened, but I wasn't willing to take the risk. A horse knows when a rider is insecure, and Windsor had a number of habits picked up from years of abuse that didn't phase me, but could easily make someone not used to that level of energy very frightened - which would just escalate into causing fear of the breed in my friends, and a possible setback in his training.

A responsible owner has trained their dogs not to bite (play-biting in puppies is very common, and if not stopped, that behavior can continue when they're not cute puppies anymore), acclimatized them to a variety of situations (and know what situations will provoke them, and avoid them), and keep close watch on them, regardless of breed. ANY dog has the potential to be agressive, the media just makes some breeds out to have it as a more acceptable trait.

As a sidenote, the The Kennel Club (UK)'s breed standard for temperament is: "Good natured, not nervous, aggressive or vicious; courageous, biddable, with natural guarding instincts."

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Everything I wanted to say has been said here! :wink:

Snoop-Dog, did you read our posts? Do you understand? [b]Rottie's are not, in any way, vicious![/b] :wink:

The Media are always looking for stories to write about...mostly, they want bad stories. Stories about murders, "bad" breeds of dogs...Etc. Then they make the story worse than it really is! :evil: :evil: :evil:

For instance, a rottie bites a person, the person needs a few stitches, the dog is PTS.

The media would say:

[b]A vicious Rottwieler attacked a person for no apparant reason, spokes men say. The rottwieler, Teddy, 130 Lb's, escaped from owner (so and so's) house, and attacked passerby(so and so), for no apparant reason. (So and so) was mauled almost to death, luckly, Teddy's owner was passing by looking for his dog and seeing them, pulled Teddy away and put him in the house, and called for an ambulance. (so and so) needed stitches, and is in hospital. Meanwhile, Teddy was put to sleep humanly, as his owner could not trust him again. This is why big, blck, dangerous breeds should be banned.[/b]

:evil: [color=red][b]REMEMBER THIS IS NOT A REAL STORY, I MADE IT UP SO THAT YOU CAN SEE HOW THE MEDIA MAKES LITTLE STORIES INTO FRONT PAGE STORIES!![/b][/color]

See how cruel the media is? They make little stories into HUGE front page cover stories! :evil: And THAT is why breeds like the pit bull, dobermann, German Shepard, and the rottwieler are known as dangerous breeds or vicuos breeds or whatever! :x :evil: It really pi$$es me off! :evil:

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Nancy - you are absolutely correct. People who cant dominate their dogs should not own guarding breed dogs, for their own safety and everyone elses. The Macho slobs really irritate the hell out of me....

and as for this statement

[/quote]I agree. I saw statistics on the top biters. I think the Golden Retriever was at the top of the list. Let me see if I can locate that link again and I'll post it.
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I have said repeatedly that I am sick of people thinking that Goldens are
the "perfect family dog..." in a family willing to train it and not let it take over, they are. But like any other dog, as soon as it becomes Alpha all the rules change....an Alpha poodle will snap and bite; an Alpha Golden, at
65+ pounds, can take off your arm....65 lbs doesnt sound too big
(I.m sure K is laughing at me) but you have to remember that that is 65 lbs of muscle with a mouthful of sharp, dangerous teeth. And a dog can snap and bite 5 times faster than the average human could respond....

AND a dog that has been badly bred is more likely to suffer from mental instability, with or without the Alpha role. When German Shepherds were the top "Macho dog" many were bred badly, just to supply the demand.
They became biters and attackers. One of them ripped open my goldens leg and he had to have surgery.

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Okay i guess i have to be the bad guy. Rotties are great dogs i have one and he is my little fuzz muffin. BUt dont let yourself be fooled the reason those bad owners pick rotties is because thy are aggressive and they can be mean. its not something that you have to train FOR its something you train AGAINST. if you take a rottie and just feed him no additional training he is going to be VERY mean, and with the size and power of a rott that is very dangerous. These dogs are guardian breeds they are bred to be protective of home and family its there heritage and history. what a good owners does is train and socialize to discourage the instinct to be wary and to protect to take the alpha postition and make sure that your dog knows you are setting the pace and determine what is friend or foe. that way the dog takes ques from the owner.

Now with that said i have a rottie and i made a concious effort to train and socialize him to lots of people and situations so that he would be well adjusted, as any responsible owner should. i knew what he would be capable of and worked against it. so are they aggressive, yes do they have to be? certainly not, you just have to make the decision to work and train everyday to make sure that your puppy grown into a well balanced dog.

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[i][color=darkred]I agree with what most have said here. It doesn't have to be a large breed that attacks, in can be small and medium breeds has well!
People seem to think that dogs are kids and allow them to rule the roost regardless of friends and strangers alike. Its a cruel way to bring up a dog because if anything happens, (WHO GETS THE BLAME) dog of course. This is why so many are getting attacked. Recently I heard in the local newspaper that a boy had been bitten on the arm by a Bulldog while playing on a field with his friends (I mean of all the breeds, a Bulldog) Come on....what was this boy doing....by the look of him he looked like trouble. I know children like to tease and torment dogs just like my neighbours little bratt and her friend, who I caught teasing my dogs that were in the back garden yesterday, they were leaning over the gate and my Bullmastiff was going crazy barking and rearing up!
I went outside and told them off, they soon disappeared.
My neighbours are dog haters, its not nice living next door to people like that!
If anyone remembers reading the post about the dog that was beaten, well they are the cowards who did it, not the children but there father :evil:
Actually I should have taken the piss out of him, he talks like a woman [/color]:[/i] :lol: :lol:

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[i][color=darkred]OMG Michelle, your neighbour that bad. If ever my dogs were ill and I found out they had been poisoned I would know straight away who to blame and there life wouldnt be worth living, I can tell you. Not that it would happen in any case, my dogs are always being watched.
Our living room is on the back so we can keep an eye on them!![/color][/i]

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