JudyHoffman Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Yesterday, Kira delivered 7 healthy Belgian Shepherd puppies. 2 Belgian Groenendael and 5 Belgian Tervuren. 6 girls in all and 1 boy. The boy is a sheepdog and the girls are 1 sheepdog and 5 Tervlettes. All are healthy and thriving as of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malamum Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Congratulations!!!!! For us dummies like me can you please explain the difference between the Groenendaels and the Tervurens and what you mean by sheepdogs and Tervlettes. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooshie Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Congrats!!! I can't wait to see pics:) I just love the color of the Tervuren. Beautiful beautiful dogs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Kat Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 Congrats! Are the tervs, groens and malinois all variations under one umbrella name of BSD? I thought that they were all separate breeds? :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObedienceGrrl Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 Congrats to Judy and Kira! Can't wait to see pics of the mommy and babies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddysMom Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 [quote name='Malamum']Congratulations!!!!! For us dummies like me can you please explain the difference between the Groenendaels and the Tervurens and what you mean by sheepdogs and Tervlettes. Thanks[/quote] I agree, please educate us dummies. And congratulations!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyHoffman Posted October 28, 2004 Author Share Posted October 28, 2004 In every country in the world, except for the US (or AKC) the breed variations are separated into 3 categories. The Belgian Groenendael (the long coated Black Variety or Sheepdog) The Belgian Tervuren (the long coated Red/Black, Fawn Black, Mahogany/Black) The Belgian Malinois (the short coated variety coming in either red, fawn or mahogany) The AKC does not recognize the Belgian Laekenois (the wire coated variety with the same markings). Worldwide, all varieties are known as the Belgian Shepherd Dog except here in the US. Kira is a Belgian Sheepdog bred in Finland, but in her 7th generation has a Belgian Tervuren in her pedigree. This dog is Grimm van de Hoge Laer. Jack is a UKC registered Belgian Shepherd dog, as his Father was a Belgian Tervuren and his mother is a Belgian Sheepdog. Therefore, he could not be registered with the AKC but only the UKC. Jack also has Grimm van de Hoge Laer in his pedigree, 5 generations back. Until 1958, all Belgian, irregardless of variety (coat & color) were all considered one breed until a group of very zealous Black Dog owners lobbied the AKC and had the variations included in the standard. They changed the standard for each dog (minimally to justify the separating of the coat variations). I hope to be able to post pictures tomorrow. All the pups are thriving and I think I have 2 red Terlettes and 3 Fawn Terlettes. I'll post a picture of Grimm, a great ancestor of these puppies. OK, so now is this as clear as mud :oops: :D :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyHoffman Posted October 28, 2004 Author Share Posted October 28, 2004 Here is a picture of Kira's great great great great Grandsire. [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/gsdbcstber/REMultiCHGrimmvandeHogeLaerB.jpg[/img] He is quite a handsome fellow. He is around 11 years old in this picture I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyHoffman Posted October 28, 2004 Author Share Posted October 28, 2004 Malamum, I'm sorry! I've had these dogs for so long, their silly "nicknames" stick after awhile The sheepdog = Belgian Groenendael (Black Dog) Tervlettes = Belgian Tervuren Puppies :-? :D :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malamum Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 Thanks Judy, I think I kind of understand now. I had heard the names before and like Kat I thought they were slightly different breeds under the umbrella name Belgian Shepherd. That Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Kat Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Can I be a pain in the buttocks and ask another question? :D I like being educated! Ok so here in UK we have 3 (sometimes 4 with the Laekenois) classes for each of the BSD's. In the US are they all lumped into one group and shown in the same classes as each other? i.e- tervs, groens, mals in one breed class against each other ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyHoffman Posted October 29, 2004 Author Share Posted October 29, 2004 No, if I understand the question (I don't show, but attend and help show clubs). The Belgians are all classified as a herding breed. So in the Group Pull in AKC, you will have The Belgian Groenendael, The Belgian Tervuren and The Belgian Malinois. They compete against each other along with all the other classified herding breeds. To get to Group, they need to win their Breed. So you will have a group of Malinois competing for Best of Breed, a group of Groenendaels competing and Tervs doing the same. Then the winner of those breeds would go to the group. Clear as mud now? :P The Laekenois is not recognized by the AKC so they do not compete in AKC events. In Canada, they compete as one breed ........ Groenendals, Tervs, Mals and Laekens all competing for Best of Breed then that winner going to the group. The Laekens are recognized by the Canadian Kennel Club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyHoffman Posted October 29, 2004 Author Share Posted October 29, 2004 Kira, the mother and Matriarch of the Group. [img]http://images.snapfish.com/33%3B%3C28%3A723232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2336%3D436%3D787%3DXROQDF%3E232365%3A4%3B%3A273ot1lsi[/img] The Happy Mom & Babies [img]http://images.snapfish.com/33%3B%3C28%3A723232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2336%3D436%3D787%3DXROQDF%3E232365%3A4%3B9535ot1lsi[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 wow beautfiul dogs Judy!! i never knew there were so many varieites of the breed!! my freind has a Black one ( i think you know her.. Estuko?? she's got chinook the mini aussie and Cuan ) such beautiful dogs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyHoffman Posted October 29, 2004 Author Share Posted October 29, 2004 Thank you Naomi, yes I know Etsuko, at least via the internet and I know the breeder of Cuan. He's very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 yes he's so beautiful! he's grown up to such a nice looking dog! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drjeffrock Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Awww, how cute. Congrats Judy! Of course a bitch named Kira is going to have beautiful pups :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Kat Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Thats so interesting that not all classes at shows run the same way around the world! Thanks for educating me :wink: Mum and babies are looking very well :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hicksstar Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 :D Congrats and good luck with your beautiful babies. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busters_Mom Posted April 30, 2005 Share Posted April 30, 2005 Congrats! :D they are beautiful :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin the musher Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Beautiful puppies! I was surprised to learn that the black coloration in one of my Alaskan lines was from a musher who ran Groenedaels- This is what they look like now after 25 years of being mixed up with Alaskans: [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0WQAaAxccwxMfhJ3AyTpXTVzUustoxVjmw9MBy1XEiKQRkHzFe7I!6vufkTxtQOLQfjMFFhzHjOw7Vb8lRqFPs02cV5MBGM0!pP1dkBIzNl3AD6Zzi5eBxfrwp4T3osSOzD*LCU9XRg0/yellow%20eyes.jpg?dc=4675519767676609262[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xavierandrea Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Congrats!!! They are precious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouseatthebusstop Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 it's an old topic the puppies are over 6 months and ready for the show ring I enjoyed them because I missed them earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Pits Posted May 5, 2005 Share Posted May 5, 2005 Congrats on your litter. My girl had 7 as well. I love Belgians, the Belgian Malinois is my favorite variety! Love em, but the others are nice too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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