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  1. She might be a ridgeback or ridgeback cross. Looks in the avatar like maybe a shepherd mix. Hard to see. I have seen a GSD x Pit that looked like her.
  2. True_Pits

    weight pulling

    I do a little pulling it is fun for the dogs and a great work out. My line is both conformation & weight pull so I have fun doing both, they are American Pit Bull Terriers. That is what I love about the breed and this line specifincally all around great dogs, one is a record holder pulling 5,123lbs & 128xs body weight at the weight of 40lbs. There are many other greats. What breed of dog do you pull with?
  3. I show American Pit Bull Terriers in the USA. They need 100 points to become a Champion. As puppies they recieve less points then the adults, these classes are seperated by gender and run in the ages of 4-6 months, 6-9 months, 9-12 months. There is a 1st, 2nd and 3rd place for each class, the points are 5 for 1st place, 3 for 2nd place and 2 for 3rd place. After the puppies classes have finished the 6 first place winners compete for Best Puppy which is worth 10 points. The adults are also broken into age groups and seperated by gender, they are 12-18 months, 18-24 months, 2-3 years, 3-5 years and 5 and Over. The points are more for adults 1st is 10 points, 2nd is 5 points and 3rd is 3 points. All of the 1st place adults (10 of them) and Best Puppy compete for Best Of Show and Best Of Opposite which are worth 15 points and 10 points. Once they become a Champion they must compete against other CHs in the CH of CH class which is not seperated by age or gender. In this class the points are CH of CH Cup 15 points, 2nd place 10 points & 3rd place 5 points. They need 200 points for GR CH, 300 points for GR CH I, ect. National Wins (which is once every year at the end of the year) is more points then regular shows, it is points and a half. For weight pull its very similar. The dogs are seperated by gender and weight class. There is 1st, 2nd & 3rd in each class and they are awarded the points of 8, 5 & 3. Then there is Most Weight Pulled Per Body Pound which is an overall award worth 10 points. After the dogs reaches 100 points it is an ACE (which is a weight pull champion) and must compete against other ACE dogs in the ACE of ACE class like conformation the points in this class are worth more 10, 7 & 4 points and Most Weight Pulled Per Body Pound is 15 points. 200 will make the dog an ACE of ACE, 300 ACE of ACE I, ect.
  4. You should call and talk to your local vets, some vets don't crop at all so you need to make sure you find one who does. I'd be more worried about cropping the dogs ears at 8 weeks because they are so young. But most vets will do it that young, some have age limits like 12 or 14 weeks and others will do it older then that but will charge you more. You also want to get references because some vets really screw up ear jobs bad, they are deformed, the wrong length or have had problems with the sugery and the healing afterward.
  5. [quote name='Seijun']Chaining is not a good way to contain a dog, it is dangerous for both the dog and the people around it.[/quote] I think everyone has given good advance, including Seijun, but I have a question not to bug or change the topic.....but I understand how chaing can be dangerous (if you don't have the proper chain set up) but how are my dogs dangerous to me (or anyone else) if they are on a chain or not? I've also thought my dogs safe because they were tied and couldn't start trouble so I believed they were safe from harm and them from harming other peoples dogs or wild animals.
  6. Here is a good one [url]http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html[/url] I see what you mean about the AST thing, on that 2nd test it says #11 is a the pit bull? Looks like an AST to me.
  7. [quote name='AllAmericanPUP']the biggest flaw i have found in all of these find the pit bull games is that they have a "pit bull" and they also have an Am Staff wich are essentially the same breed..and on all of the games i have seen(except one) the "pit bull" is essentially Am Staff looking. i have yet to see a find the pit bull game with a true APBT..except one..but he's a puppy in the picture so people essentially say he is mixed :roll:[/quote] I find that there are some flaws, like they don't always seem to use good quality pics or ones that show a dog to standard of any of the breeds, some do but most of the pics aren't that great. I don't consider an AST and a APBT to the same breed, maybe technically but they look different so you can tell them apart or you could say which number is an AST and which is an APBT. If they are showing an APBT that looks like an AST then that is a problem and more confusing for people. I saw one which used an APBT that looked like a real APBT, maybe I can find it again, it wasn't a puppy either and it was a really good find the pit game. I dont even think they had AST on there, maybe but I dont remeber.
  8. Guess thats some dog show human!
  9. Congrats on your litter. My girl had 7 as well. I love Belgians, the Belgian Malinois is my favorite variety! Love em, but the others are nice too.
  10. I would have done the exact same thing, you did the right thing. You have to stick up for your kids (human or dog). They say with breeds steriotyped vicious (likes pits/rotts) you need to be calm and be good breed PR, because not just the dogs are steriotyped but the owners are too, people think owners of these breeds are uneducated, trash, ect. But there comes a point when you have to get mad, when they push you to your limits and you have to lay into them, otherwise some people you can't get through to them unless you give them a taste of their own. I can't believe this women behaved in such an immature way, not only to your dog but to your son as well, WTH is wrong with the crazy woman did she forget her meds today or something?
  11. Wow that is really crazy, I don't understand why people like that even have a dog. If they have no time for it and don't want it. Whats the point. They want you to have it for 15 hours a day and then take it home and put it in the crate without attention or any interaction with the family. I don't understand, they should give her to someone who wants her or put her up for adoption. Thats really sad.
  12. [quote name='Matty']I don't want people to attack me like I have seen others attacked for trying to discuss this very same topic. So, if your purebred sensitive, don't read this post :lol: [url]http://www.canine-genetics.com/Price.htm[/url] [url]http://www.canine-genetics.com/Price.htm[/url] [url]http://www.angelfire.com/biz4/MastiffBreeder/cul-de-sac.html[/url] These sites really made me stop and think about the harm purebred breeding is doing to our dogs. :o To think that they are pulling the wool over our eyes by saying they are checking for genetic diseases in purebreds and they are creating the diseases in the first place :o talk about people pulling the wool over our eyes. I was surprised after reading this that a person who breeds those doodle breeds and other crosses is really doing dogs a favor. I feel like Im on that band wagon where other people look at disdain at :lol: it kinda makes me think about how people who first started talking about raw diets and BARF where made to feel like idiots by the so called experts. I also want to note that I am not looking for an argument. I just wanted people to read these and make up their own minds and really read what is going on. Next time I hear a breeder saying they are bettering a breed, I will roll my eyes cause now I know better.[/quote] I think that is the silliest thing I've ever heard. I'm not sensitive in the least, but think this is a joke. I have dogs that are from linebreeding and inbreeding and the gene pool for some lines are not very diverse thats why you outcross when needed. There is no reason to think purebreds are walking plagues, from researching my dogs pedigrees I can see the breeding for decades and decades, I can actually trace over a century back but they are sick and riddled with some genetic disorders. If that were so then many more tested dogs would come up positive after all the gene pool being less diverse. Linebreeding, inbreeding or breeding purebred dogs doesn't CREATE genetic diseases. I think someone has pulled the wool over your eyes. The only way for the dogs to have a genetic disease would be just that genes, it doesn't matter if they are any unrelated dog of some mixed up breed to another, if they are carriers of a disease they will pass it on. If you isolate those genes you will get a bad line since you didn't cull it out. You can spread this through a purebred and make a breed more prone to having this disease however its not anything that wouldn't come up in mixed breed dogs. I don't see how breeding poo poo mixes is doing a favor to dogs? Breedings mutts for $1500 to make a quick buck isn't doing a favor to the dogs. Breeding numorous dogs that will end up in shelters isn't any kind of favor. Breeding dogs with genetic problems and illness isn't doing them a favor. Having dogs with temperament and structure problems I don't see that as a favor for the dogs. Talk about NOT knowing better, I'm not attacking here but its plain to see if you something about breeding I'd think you'd understand that breeding genetically sound dogs as best as possible is bettering the breed is right VS breeding to mutts together because you think they will be cute, think you can make money, think they will be healthier which isn't bettering anything. Actually the way I see it breeding a healthy, hearty, stable and all around sound pure family is some of the best breeding you will get, anything bad is eliminated and with the limited gene pool of positve traits and negatives weeded out you won't have anything allowed in, only once in a while would a cull pop much less likely then scatterbreeding or breeding two different breeds together who could either both be carries of a disease or CREATE a defect by the offspring. Hybrid Vigor, its true its just a myth, something created without education behind it, like many other beliefs of the past as well its still used today by those who want to peddle mixed breed dogs. Matter of fact the dogs I've had the worse problems with or known personally to have temperament and health defects have been mixes and crosses more so then purebreds. The only purebred I had a problem with was a byb Boxer the rest were not purebreds and had genetic disorders and some bad temperament problems. So I will never believe that hog wash, me seeing a dog with a bad underbite, cherry eyes and heart murmer are enough to know that cross breeding doesn't eliminate health disorders. Its good for people to make up their own minds and have educated opinions but basing them on MORE RESEARCH and genetic facts out there would be great.
  13. Well heck, I guess I should have just said look at my sig and [b]honestly[/b] try and say if they look like ASTs. Of course if anyone says they do, I think they are blind or crazy.
  14. [quote]Ok I cant help myself I just have to say that.... The show APBT can look more like an AmStaff, especially if it doesnt work at all. The two lines DO look different... I dont get how you can say they dont. They CAN look the same but they dont always.[/quote] They usually are a good rep of the working type, not ALL are going to look the same and they CAN look different, but NONE of my dogs resemble AmStaffs in anyway and I take it as an insult (sorry any AST lovers/owners) for you to say they do. Yes some people have tried to compete with AST looking pitties and thank god they don't go. I can say some of my dogs don't work at all, no hunting, weight pulling, ect but they don't look like an AST just because they don't work. Its about the breeding and keeping to the standard. I compete frequently in the show ring, I don't usually come across any AST looking dogs, every once in awhile their are worthy dogs who happen to have AST in them (like Villines), but they look and pretty much act like APBTs. [img]http://members.fortunecity.com/tbulldogs/0935bde0.jpg[/img] [img]http://members.fortunecity.com/tbulldogs/0b529d70.jpg[/img] [img]http://members.fortunecity.com/tbulldogs/088d93b0.jpg[/img] [img]http://members.fortunecity.com/tbulldogs/08f74160.jpg[/img] This doesn't look anything like this. [img]http://www.american-staffordshire-terrier-dogs.com/pictures-images-photos/american-staffordshire-terriers-03.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.dogs-and-puppies.com/American_Staffordshire_Terriers.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/dogbreeds/photos/americanstaffordshireterriers.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.gotdogsonline.com/american-staffordshire-terrier-pictures-breeders-puppies-rescue/pictures/american-staffordshire-terrier-0007.jpg[/img] Glad my show dog doesn't look nothing like this [img]http://actiinfochiens.free.fr/PHOTO%2520AMERICAN%2520STAFFORDSHIRE%2520TERRIER.JPG[/img] Not that the dog isn't very beautiful, just no comparison really. [img]http://a8.cpimg.com/image/8A/D2/38773898-c6b8-01C6018D-.jpg[/img] [quote]Especially when you look at some older pics of pitties....the game bred dogs look nothing like a show bred APBT or Amstaff. JMO. [/quote] Well I did compare a picture of my dog (Santana) to an old picture of a dog I think was Colby breeding on this board once and their look/build was almost identical. The gamebred dogs are what the standard is based off of and my dog Val's grandsire is a show GR CH I and a pit CH gamebred, game and game producer. Her Dad was never matched (but proven) and he is also a good placer in the show ring. The other owner just waited to long to match him and really show him, although he could still be CH out pretty quickly guess its just not that important. I do have some old photos and some of my dog. [img]http://a5.cpimg.com/image/93/80/44310675-5b95-01930200-.jpg[/img] [img]http://a8.cpimg.com/image/D2/82/44310738-ad7f-01730171-.jpg[/img] [img]http://a1.cpimg.com/image/D5/82/44310741-79bf-01240113-.jpg[/img] [img]http://a6.cpimg.com/image/A8/81/44310696-659b-02000173-.jpg[/img] Well thats just my take on it and another reason why I love my breed, no water down varience show version hog wash. Just the portrait of a true bulldog a working titled dog can get a show title and thats how it should be. I don't understand why breeds have show standards that the working dog wouldn't be able to win and a show dog that couldn't function as a working dog.
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