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Ok, so all this talk of long-haired Mastiff, etc. has be wanting to know about more breeds that have a recessive gene for long-coats or what have you.
I have been around lots of long-coat Akitas, referred to as woolies :)
They are adorable, and actually are less stubborn that their regular-'ol double-coated siblings. It has been noted that they also tend to be less dog-aggressive. Here are a couple pics, in case you have not seen any before. So, post up and enlighten me.
Here is Ursa aka the Wonderpup. Ursa has a older brother named Henry who is a rescue pit that was severly abused.
[img]http://images2.fotki.com/v19/photos/4/43548/204186/DSCN0811-vi.jpg[/img]
Here is a pic of my friend Julie's long-coats: Moku and Penny.
[img]http://shim1.shutterfly.com/procsserv/F-AN3DNk0bsWjHr-QEeE9OaA[/img]
And a pic of regular 'ol coated Kira for reference.
[img]http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4ce01b3127cce9bc3e65ab0c100000016108Absm7Vo4cNI[/img]

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Well Border collies come in 3 different coat lengths.

Rough are the usual length most people see

semi rough are not quite as long haired as the roughs (I think Kes will turn out this way)

short are very short coated like a labradors coat length

short is actually dominant so if a rough mates with a short more pups are likely to be short than rough.

Kes' mum is a semi rough and her dad is very rough coated so I reckon she will be a semi too :D

SG- love those long haired Dals! :D

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Those are beautiful dogs (including Kira of course)... Long hair in a basset hound is a big fault, the closest to that is the grand basset griffon vendeen, but we're talking from a different breed :P

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[quote name='izzy']Those are beautiful dogs (including Kira of course)... Long hair in a basset hound is a big fault, the closest to that is the grand basset griffon vendeen, but we're talking from a different breed :P[/quote]

I wish I had a pic, but at my work we have a long haired Basset that comes in for grooming! I'm pretty sure it's purebred, it has all the characteristics/features of a Basset, except she has long hair, similar to a Golden, with the feathering and such. I bet if we shaved her she'd look like a normal Basset! :lol:

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[img]http://www.encore-editions.com/dogs/cigcards500/thumb/thm_roughcoatedbassethound.jpg[/img]

there is a rough coated basset hound.

the one down the street is not rough coated....really her body isnt much long than a smooth coated basset but her tail definately shows her longer coat.....

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well there is no long coated or curly coated lab, but there are so many different breeds of retriever, and most of them used the lab as the base, that I guess if I stretch "just right" they could count..



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Oh yeah, there must be that variants of rough and long hair, but they're not recognized as a pure breed, the standard of the breed says the hair can't be long., I guess a rough basset could be a cute pup.

If i didn't fix diesel and the girls i could found it!... j/k of course.

It's like thinking in a long haired Bloodhound, anyone has seen one? :-?

edited to add:

Here's a pic of a Grand Basset Griffon Vendeen the breed is related with the basset hound, because of their history, but today they're two diferent breeds.

[img]http://dl.dogomania.com/pics/27/big17.jpg[/img]

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[quote name='izzy']Oh yeah, there must be that variants of rough and long hair, but they're not recognized as a pure breed, the standard of the breed says the hair can't be long., I guess a rough basset could be a cute pup.

If i didn't fix diesel and the girls i could found it!... j/k of course.

It's like thinking in a long haired Bloodhound, anyone has seen one? :-?

edited to add:

Here's a pic of a Grand Basset Griffon Vendeen the breed is related with the basset hound, because of their history, but today they're two diferent breeds.

[img]http://dl.dogomania.com/pics/27/big17.jpg[/img][/quote]

yes but i personally could care less about standards.

most of the standards are rediculous. like white GSD's arent real GSD's..long haired GSD's arent real GSD's....certain colored danes arent real danes....an am staff can only have so much white, etc. etc.

it's all pretty rediculous really.

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Siberians also come in long coated or woolly, but it's also considered to be a major fault in the breed. Here's a link to some woollies :) (which I personally love, fault or no fault 8) !).
[url]http://www.huskycolors.com/wooly.html[/url]

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Dachshunds come in smooth, long, and wire coated versions. Supposedly the long hairs have spaniel mixed in many generations back, and wires have terrier mixed in far back, and I've been told many times that the different varieties temperaments reflect this, long hairs are the most docile, then smooths, and wires have even more of that fiery terrier temperament than smooths :) Here's a long haired Dachs pic:
[img]http://www.akc.org/images/breeds/dachshund/lg_artwork3.jpg[/img]

I also know of someone on an APBT board who has a rescue pit mix with feathering on her ears/tail... though some have suggested she may be a long haired AB. She's looks pretty much like a regular APBT, just with fluffy tail/ears, here's a pic (hope her owner doesn't mind me posting it!):
[url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/chilliwackpitbull/DSC01356.jpg]Link[/url]

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[quote name='AllAmericanPUP']most of the standards are rediculous. like white GSD's arent real GSD's..long haired GSD's arent real GSD's....certain colored danes arent real danes....an am staff can only have so much white, etc. etc.

it's all pretty rediculous really.[/quote]
No, not really. If a trait has the possibility of inhibiting a dog's abilty to do its job, or of causing more health problems, then I wouldn't consider it rediculous. In a breed used for guard work or hunting work, certain coats will be undesireable, which is why they're not preferred according to the standard.... people who want the dogs simply to do a job also don't want to have to keep up with a high maintenance coat. This is a problem in many breeds, PEOPLE (not standards) selecting for coats that are useless or even a hinderance to the breed's original purpose. Not a problem for a dog that's going to be a pet, but there are times when the standard (as its written, not as whatever fad breeder interprets it as) makes plenty of sense.

As for white AmStaffs, there's a reason behind that too seeing as predominately white dogs (when the pielbald gene is responsible) have a higher incidence of deafness, as well as skin disorders. In addition, the way I understand it, pigment is among the last things to form in a developing pup fetus, so dogs severely lacking in pigment (like double merles) can also have other related developmental problems. I know my own mostly white APBT gets sunburned on her head after only a short while out in bright sun, and surely for a dog tied outside, repeated sun exposure could cause a serious problem for non-pigmented dogs.

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My thoughts exactly Goo. Breed standards are written for a reason, and although it may be fine for a "pet" to not be of standard, it is up to breeders to maintain the standard and breed for the betterment of the breed and aim as closely to the standard as possible while also breeding for better health and temperament - much of which is included in the standard also (eg colours that don't lead to health issues, and outlining what the temperament of the breed should be). I have a friend who breeds Bassets, every single part of their standard has relevance to what they were bred to do, such as wrinkles to cover their eyes so they don't get brambles in them, loose skin and short fur so that brambles don't get caught, and ears to reach over their nose so as to "sweep" the scent into their nostrils, all very interesting I thought!!!

There has been a lot of talk of long haired Whippets, it is all a money making scam - they are not pure breeds! They have Borzoi or Shetland Sheepdog bred into them for a longer coat and are being sold off as pure long haired Whippets, there are even clubs etc for them!

I do like the longhaired Weims though, they are gorgeous. Papillons are supposed to have a single coat, Montie has got a fluffy double coat which is great for me because he doesn't shed except for when I brush him. In general I like the smooth versions of breeds more, such as smooth collies, and st bernards, probably just because they don't tangle so much!

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[quote name='AllAmericanPUP']

most of the standards are rediculous. like white GSD's arent real GSD's..long haired GSD's arent real GSD's....certain colored danes arent real danes....an am staff can only have so much white, etc. etc.

it's all pretty rediculous really.[/quote]

Well, I agree with white GSD's being a major fault/disqualitfication, the reasoning behind it is that the GSD herds sheep, most sheep are white, and it would be hard to point out where your all white dog is when he's out and about with the sheep, especially if the the shepherd(person) is far away and giving the commands. I know that's the AKC's reasoning behind it as well.

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I love those wooly huskies.

I think that sometimes things are faults or bred out just for the sake of uniformity. There are some beautiful coats you just don't see very often. Of course there are those times when coat types are related to the possibility of other defects.

Kavik is semi-rough. It's my fav. looking/feeling coat for BCs but when I was looking for a BC I was actually hoping for a flat coat. Kavik's brother had more the coat type I wanted and nicer markings but Kavik had the temperment and personality I really wanted so it wasn't much of a dilema.

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DP in your photo that you just posted I would have said Kavik is definitely a rough coated BC.

Just to give a few pics

This is a short haired BC (note the fur is practically unmeasurable like a labrador)

[img]http://www.possumhollowfarms.com/images/Rainstandsfacing.jpg[/img]

Meg is a rough the same as this dog:

[img]http://www.possumhollowfarms.com/images/Mairilying.jpg[/img]

These are a few of the semi-roughs (a feature of a semi rough is that the ears are usually erect or slightly tipped)



[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/prosperia/jennacoat.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/GypsyMagic/Piper%20the%20BC/Memorialdayweeken031.jpg[/img]

[img]http://images.snapfish.com/33%3A%3B494323232%7Ffp4%3Enu%3D3243%3E2%3B5%3E954%3EWSNRCG%3D323265983%3A7%3A6nu0mrj[/img]

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[quote name='ShatteringGlass'][quote name='AllAmericanPUP']

most of the standards are rediculous. like white GSD's arent real GSD's..long haired GSD's arent real GSD's....certain colored danes arent real danes....an am staff can only have so much white, etc. etc.

it's all pretty rediculous really.[/quote]

Well, I agree with white GSD's being a major fault/disqualitfication, the reasoning behind it is that the GSD herds sheep, most sheep are white, and it would be hard to point out where your all white dog is when he's out and about with the sheep, especially if the the shepherd(person) is far away and giving the commands. I know that's the AKC's reasoning behind it as well.[/quote]

You got it....and a dog that HERDS is a lot different from a dog that PROTECTS the flock.

Take for example a Kuvasz or a Komondor. They are white because they are a guardian. Not a herder.

But don't knock the white GSD too much.....you'll hurt Dakota's feelings!

:D

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