courtnek Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 your posts tend to lead in the direction towards "dislike". maybe you dont realize it. I could also be very wrong. either way, the offer still stands. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 [quote name='courtnek']your posts tend to lead in the direction towards "dislike". maybe you dont realize it. I could also be very wrong. either way, the offer still stands. :D[/quote] Again, Courtnek, I asked for QUOTES from my posts that lead you to assume I dislike pit bulls. Saying that my posts "tend to lead in the direction towards 'dislike'" doesn't really fit the bill. I don't dislike pit bulls. I dislike bad people who do bad things to dogs. And a LOT of those people tend to be pit bull owners/breeders. primrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtnek Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Prim. I'm NOT trying to fight with you. If that's what you want from me you will fail. I cant "quote" a feeling... I do well at feelings. If you dont want to share yours. that's fine. Tell me to back off and shut up, and I will... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 [quote name='Dog Lover']So what if they ARE dog aggressive? That DOES NOT mean they aren't loving with people. I think ANY dog has the capabilities of becoming aggressive when in a CERTAIN situation. Okay, I'm sitting on my hands so I won't type anymore. I'm too full right now to think straight. :lol: *mumbles incoherently*[/quote] Of course even if cheekymunkee's dogs are dangerous to each other, doesn't mean that they can't be loving with people. But if you post pictures of a pit bull with another dog and post sarcastically that this is a "murderously aggressive" dog, then the clear implication is that the dog is NOT aggressive toward other animals. If the dog actually IS aggressive toward other animals, then perhaps there ought to be a disclaimer saying that, just so people don't get the wrong impression of pit bulls. It isn't protecting pit bulls to try to cover up the problems owning them can present. It might be protecting irresponsible pit bull breeders, but it isn't protecting pit bulls. If you really want to protect pit bulls, you don't show a picture of a dog with the potential to be dangerously aggressive toward other dogs and sneer at the notion that this dog might have the potential to be dangerously aggressive toward other dogs. You tell the truth about it. If people who hear the truth don't want to get a pit bull, so be it. That isn't hurting pit bulls, that is helping them. primrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abker17 Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Ok this has GOT to stop. Personally I can BARELY get anything out of Primmy's posts. Primmy will you PLEASE just come out and say DIRECTLY what ever the h*ll you mean, for some of the members here that haven't taken 10 courses in logic. :o Honestly all your posts just keep re-iterating the same things over and over in the most confusing way possible, why don't you just say exactly what you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtnek Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 AMEN TO THAT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarahstaff Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Because what she means is that she doesn't like pit bulls, and I don't believe she's actually admitted to herself that this is the case. I believe she is trying to deceive herself more than she is trying to deceive anyone else. And it takes quite a bit of obfuscating logic to lie to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 [quote name='Sarahstaff']Because what she means is that she doesn't like pit bulls, and I don't believe she's actually admitted to herself that this is the case. I believe she is trying to deceive herself more than she is trying to deceive anyone else. And it takes quite a bit of obfuscating logic to lie to yourself.[/quote] So now you are claiming that you know that I hate pit bulls but I don't know it? Of course, you (like the others) don't provide any quotes to back THAT weird assumption up. And you can't, because my posts about pit bulls pretty much all talk about what people can do to make things BETTER for pit bulls. If I truly hated them, I know exactly what I would do....sit back and smile and do nothing and watch while many of the people who claim to "love" them do exactly what they are doing now--hurt pit bulls horribly and pretty much make breed bans inevitable. primrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 [quote name='courtnek']Prim. I'm NOT trying to fight with you. If that's what you want from me you will fail. I cant "quote" a feeling... I do well at feelings. If you dont want to share yours. that's fine. Tell me to back off and shut up, and I will...[/quote] No, "you can't quote a feeling." But you certainly can quote whatever it is that I wrote that reasonably leads you to HAVE the feeling you have and to post about it on the board. If you can't do that, maybe you should admit (to yourself and to the board) that the feeling is baseless and maybe you should re-examine it. primrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 [quote name='primorse'][quote name='courtnek']Prim. I'm NOT trying to fight with you. If that's what you want from me you will fail. I cant "quote" a feeling... I do well at feelings. If you dont want to share yours. that's fine. Tell me to back off and shut up, and I will...[/quote] No, "you can't quote a feeling." But you certainly can quote whatever it is that I wrote that reasonably leads you to HAVE the feeling you have and to post about it on the board. If you can't do that, maybe you should admit (to yourself and to the board) that the feeling is baseless and maybe you should re-examine it. primrose[/quote] Those of us who have seen your act for multiple years got the picture long time ago. The folks here are seeing through pretty right quick, which shows how smart they are. I will concede that I have never read a statement in which you say "I hate pit bulls". But then before he wrote Mein Kampf, Hitler could probably claim he never said "I don't like Jews" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtnek Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 OK I give....I TRIED to help...maybe I shouldnt care so much.... :o :o :o :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtnek Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 nuff said Newfie..I tried. That's all I can do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekymunkee Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 [quote]By the way, Cheeky, I wanted to ask you about something. When I look at the pictures of your pit bulls, I notice that there aren't any pictures of the two of them cuddling up together. Are they ever aggressive toward each other? Would you leave them alone unsupervised together? If not, why not?[/quote] No Primrose, my APBT's are never together. WHy? They do not like each other & they have the potential to do damage to each other (and most likely would). I am not a dog fighter, have never attended a dog fight & have no desire to see one in my living room. Both dogs CAN however be with Ollie (always under supervision of course) and they are allowed around her on a daily basis. Someone is almost always home and during the day Ollie & justice are together (under supervision of course). In the evening Munkee gets the run of the house with Ollie (again under supervision). While one pit bull has the house the other is safely tucked away in their room (Munkee in my bedroom, Justice in my daughter's). On the rare occasion that no one is home, Ollie has the run of the house and the pit bulls are in their rooms. If she wants to be rid of them she has a room that she can go to as well. Why is this? Because I am a responsible pit bull owner & even if they were all happy as peas in a pod together they would never be allowed together unsupervised. [quote]It really doesn't prove that dogs are not dangerous if you show pictures of them not being aggressive. Very few dogs are aggressive all the time to all other beings. If you tell us that neither dog ever IS aggressive, and that both are trustworthy and gentle and non-aggressive with everybody (including each other) that means a lot more than showing pictures that show them not being aggressive at a certain point in time. [/quote] I was merely showing pictures of my dogs, some playing with each other, some with kittens. I can't really comment on the rest of that paragraph. It gives me a headache. My dogs (even Ollie, the spitz\pom mix) are wonderful with people of all shapes & sizes. They tend to be boistorious (sp) so the rare time a little one is in my home they are in their rooms until they calm down (they LOVE company) so as not to knock them down or step on them, they ARE good with kids though, once they settle down. [quote] If the dog actually IS aggressive toward other animals, then perhaps there ought to be a disclaimer saying that, just so people don't get the wrong impression of pit bulls. [/quote] Why should only pit bull owners post such a disclamier? Show me one breed that is NEVER EVER aggressive towards other animals. If I must put up a disclaimer when I post pictures if my dogs, so too should everyone. [quote]It isn't protecting pit bulls to try to cover up the problems owning them can present. It might be protecting irresponsible pit bull breeders, but it isn't protecting pit bulls. If you really want to protect pit bulls, you don't show a picture of a dog with the potential to be dangerously aggressive toward other dogs and sneer at the notion that this dog might have the potential to be dangerously aggressive toward other dogs. You tell the truth about it. If people who hear the truth don't want to get a pit bull, so be it. That isn't hurting pit bulls, that is helping them.[/quote] Where do you get the notion that I have EVER covered up the problems that owning a pit bull can create? Look around at my posts Primmy, have I EVER said ONE time that pit bulls do not have the potential to be dog aggressive & it's just might freaking dandy to take them to the dog park or let them run offleash?? I have repeated over & over that the breed tends to be dog aggressive. I don't cover up ANYTHING in regards to pit bulls, I just don't feel the need (UNLIKE YOU) to shove it down people's throats with every post. If any one at any time wants information on pit bull ownership, all they have to do is ask me & I will tell them. Bully breeds are NOT for everyone, they are for very responsible owners who are aware of the breed. Sure, NOT SO repsonsible owners do own them as they own every breed of dog. I don't like it when people spread misinformation about the breed. People will see my pictures & think "aww,how cute", but when people read misinformation they tend to " Hey Ethel, lookie here!! Right here it says that those durned ole pit bulls got somehting wrong with their brains that makes them unable to speak dog. Well, golly gee wizz, I already heerd the ones about their brains swelling & their jaws locking but I aint never heered this one!" There are enough assinine rumors about our breeds spread by clueless people to add any more. [quote]I don't dislike pit bulls[/quote] Really? Then why is it you never tell any other breed owners the horrors of owning those breeds? What are the "down sides" of YOUR breed? Debby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk_blue Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 You know, I'm getting a bit sick of this argument. Is it possible you can agree to disagree? I'm not trying to boss anyone around or dictate what should be said, and the argument is not personal or anything (so it won't be locked LOL) but it just seems to be going in circles. I know I shouldn't read things that annoy me but really... :drinking: thanks akber! your post is the one that makes the most sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Edited: Pointless...Forget it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 BTW is no one concerned about the Kitty Porn here? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XwDlAtoeRQo31tpavop05LOBfOf2FI6y3VWQLIRhxu53WDOp1m3ySVFUAbI3uFRyXHugFHE9sRrRsoaBrV37eOmIY8fnDpUlGqs5hdG4taDdGr0410LWou352T3KKFN0zXbmnzEh58k/Munkeewithall3kittys.JPG?dc=4675475960839410270[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekymunkee Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 [quote]BTW is no one concerned about the Kitty Porn here? [/quote] Ooops, sorry, never meant to offend! :wink: :wink: Primmy is concerned about the fact that my pit bulls ar not together in the pictures. She does, however gloss over the fact that they ARE (well at least one of them anyway, I didn't post pictures of Munkee & Ollie together......my bad) in the company of another dog....cuddling no less. :roll: Debby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellieangel Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 What beautiful dogs,I love to see dogs and cats together :) Thanks for sharing them,I'm sorry your post has been hijacked,personally I like the irony,it makes me smile,there is so much negative press about your breed,those pics are like a "back atcha" to all the critics :D I personally have 2 mad Springers who are always on the go......... [img]http://www.mypetpages.net/artists/1246/0/b98f6d83f185ff65e50ffc82c9053c88.jpg[/img] Honestly........it's a nightmare :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 [quote name='cheekymunkee'][quote]By the way, Cheeky, I wanted to ask you about something. When I look at the pictures of your pit bulls, I notice that there aren't any pictures of the two of them cuddling up together. Are they ever aggressive toward each other? Would you leave them alone unsupervised together? If not, why not?[/quote] No Primrose, my APBT's are never together. WHy? They do not like each other & they have the potential to do damage to each other (and most likely would). I am not a dog fighter, have never attended a dog fight & have no desire to see one in my living room. Both dogs CAN however be with Ollie (always under supervision of course) and they are allowed around her on a daily basis. Someone is almost always home and during the day Ollie & justice are together (under supervision of course). In the evening Munkee gets the run of the house with Ollie (again under supervision). While one pit bull has the house the other is safely tucked away in their room (Munkee in my bedroom, Justice in my daughter's). On the rare occasion that no one is home, Ollie has the run of the house and the pit bulls are in their rooms. If she wants to be rid of them she has a room that she can go to as well. Why is this? Because I am a responsible pit bull owner & even if they were all happy as peas in a pod together they would never be allowed together unsupervised. [quote]It really doesn't prove that dogs are not dangerous if you show pictures of them not being aggressive. Very few dogs are aggressive all the time to all other beings. If you tell us that neither dog ever IS aggressive, and that both are trustworthy and gentle and non-aggressive with everybody (including each other) that means a lot more than showing pictures that show them not being aggressive at a certain point in time. [/quote] I was merely showing pictures of my dogs, some playing with each other, some with kittens. I can't really comment on the rest of that paragraph. It gives me a headache. My dogs (even Ollie, the spitz\pom mix) are wonderful with people of all shapes & sizes. They tend to be boistorious (sp) so the rare time a little one is in my home they are in their rooms until they calm down (they LOVE company) so as not to knock them down or step on them, they ARE good with kids though, once they settle down. [quote] If the dog actually IS aggressive toward other animals, then perhaps there ought to be a disclaimer saying that, just so people don't get the wrong impression of pit bulls. [/quote] Why should only pit bull owners post such a disclamier? Show me one breed that is NEVER EVER aggressive towards other animals. If I must put up a disclaimer when I post pictures if my dogs, so too should everyone. [quote]It isn't protecting pit bulls to try to cover up the problems owning them can present. It might be protecting irresponsible pit bull breeders, but it isn't protecting pit bulls. If you really want to protect pit bulls, you don't show a picture of a dog with the potential to be dangerously aggressive toward other dogs and sneer at the notion that this dog might have the potential to be dangerously aggressive toward other dogs. You tell the truth about it. If people who hear the truth don't want to get a pit bull, so be it. That isn't hurting pit bulls, that is helping them.[/quote] Where do you get the notion that I have EVER covered up the problems that owning a pit bull can create? Look around at my posts Primmy, have I EVER said ONE time that pit bulls do not have the potential to be dog aggressive & it's just might freaking dandy to take them to the dog park or let them run offleash?? I have repeated over & over that the breed tends to be dog aggressive. I don't cover up ANYTHING in regards to pit bulls, I just don't feel the need (UNLIKE YOU) to shove it down people's throats with every post. If any one at any time wants information on pit bull ownership, all they have to do is ask me & I will tell them. Bully breeds are NOT for everyone, they are for very responsible owners who are aware of the breed. Sure, NOT SO repsonsible owners do own them as they own every breed of dog. I don't like it when people spread misinformation about the breed. People will see my pictures & think "aww,how cute", but when people read misinformation they tend to " Hey Ethel, lookie here!! Right here it says that those durned ole pit bulls got somehting wrong with their brains that makes them unable to speak dog. Well, golly gee wizz, I already heerd the ones about their brains swelling & their jaws locking but I aint never heered this one!" There are enough assinine rumors about our breeds spread by clueless people to add any more. [quote]I don't dislike pit bulls[/quote] Really? Then why is it you never tell any other breed owners the horrors of owning those breeds? What are the "down sides" of YOUR breed? Debby[/quote] Cheekymunkee, Why did you title your post "my murderously aggressive pit bulls?" You didn't do this because you wanted people to think that your dogs truly were "murderously aggressive," did you? You were being sarcastic, and sneering at the notion that people think that high levels of aggression in pit bulls presents a big problem. At least that is the implication, isn't it? Well...now it turns out that you have two pit bulls who can't be together, even with supervision. That would be a big and quite heartbreaking problem for most dog owners because it is a huge hassle but much more so because it means that the dogs (the ultimate pack animals) must be isolated and ignored far more of the time. So while I can certainly understand that you don't feel the need to shove the dog aggression issue down people's throats with every post, when you quite directly post something that (falsely) implies that aggression is not an issue with these particular pit bulls (and quite directly sneer at people who raise the issue), it seems to me that you are not helping pit bulls and not spreading accurate information. As to your suggestion that people will read a factual post about pit bulls and decide that that means that they have locking jaws and swelling brains, I don't quite get your logic. Why would telling the truth make people more likely to believe things that aren't true? Nobody here said pit bulls have something "wrong with their brains" (although I would argue that it is very wrong to breed dogs who have this trait) but there is definately something different in the pit bull brain that causes them to tend to be dog aggressive, sometimes, sadly, to the point where it has a pretty serious impact on their quality of life. (Particularly in multiple dog households). Do I talk about the downside of ownership of other breeds? Absolutely, I do. (Note that I had a post about the unbelievably irresponsible AKC akita standard that CALLS for dog aggression just yesterday). No breed comes close to suffering the problems that pit bulls do, however. And, frankly, irresponsible owners of pit bulls are a threat to me (and I am not talking about a physical threat here) and my dogs in a way that irresponsible sheltie owners aren't. primrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekymunkee Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 [quote]Why did you title your post "my murderously aggressive pit bulls?" [/quote] I named it that...get ready now... BECAUSE I FREAKIN FELT LIKE IT. Got a problem with it? Then why did you open the thread? Don't like the title...once again Barney style for ya....DO NOT OPEN IT. Pretty simple stuff there huh? I was being sacracstic, I'm a smart ass, there you caught me. Most people who read my posts figure that one out pretty quickly. Who knows, tomorrow I might add pictues of my dogs playing with ....gasp... PEOPLE!! Oh the horror!! Did you open the thread titiled " Ever been GLAD your dog bit someone?" I'm sure you did, realized that it was NOT a bully involved so decided to keep quiet. [quote]Well...now it turns out that you have two pit bulls who can't be together, even with supervision. That would be a big and quite heartbreaking problem for most dog owners because it is a huge hassle but much more so because it means that the dogs (the ultimate pack animals) must be isolated and ignored far more of the time. [/quote] It's not a huge & heartbreaking problem for me. I deal with it & so do they, quite nicely I might add. They don't have a problem with being seperated, neither do I. Why does it bother YOU so much what goes on in my home? My dogs are never ignored, never. They need attention? There are plenty people in my home that are willing to give it to them. And, uh, pit bulls are not pack animals, they are quite happy being the ONLY dog in the house. A problem for most dog owners? Maybe so, but I'm not most dog owners. ANd "it turns out" nothing, I NEVER hid the fact that my dogs can be aggressive towards each other. [quote]Why would telling the truth make people more likely to believe things that aren't true? [/quote] Where is the TRUTH in THIS statement? [/quote]Pit bulls are unique, because they are quite likely to be missing the equisite canine interaction skills that most other breeds have.[quote] Quote your sources. Can't can you? Didn't think so. [/quote]Do I talk about the downside of ownership of other breeds? Absolutely, I do. [quote] Obsessively?? Where?? Show me. You are quite a bizzare person. Posting pictures of my dogs together, playing with kittens makes me an irresponsible pit bull owner??? You are only making yourself look more & more ridicoulous with EVERY post. Look around Primmy, NO ONE is taking your side here... not even NON pit bull owners. Debby[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekymunkee Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 OH, leahluvsherpups and ellieangel, THANKS for posting those pictures!! They are priceless!! But be careful, posting pictures of your dogs doing things that are "unbreedlike" for them shows that you MUST be irresponsible owners. Oh wait, that's only pit bull owners.....never mind. :wink: :wink: Debby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Cassie Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 [quote]Why did you title your post "my murderously aggressive pit bulls?" You didn't do this because you wanted people to think that your dogs truly were "murderously aggressive," did you? You were being sarcastic, and sneering at the notion that people think that high levels of aggression in pit bulls presents a big problem. At least that is the implication, isn't it? [/quote] This was exactly my thought when I read the title of this post. [quote]Well...now it turns out that you have two pit bulls who can't be together, even with supervision. That would be a big and quite heartbreaking problem for most dog owners because it is a huge hassle but much more so because it means that the dogs (the ultimate pack animals) must be isolated and ignored far more of the time[/quote]. I completely agree, I have always owned a multie dog house hold and not once have I had a problem which would have forced me to seperate my dogs. There is no greater joy than to have all 6 of my dogs play together, sleep together and eat together...even share a bone. I own 3 females, and 3 males...2 males which are intact. [quote]So while I can certainly understand that you don't feel the need to shove the dog aggression issue down people's throats with every post, when you quite directly post something that (falsely) implies that aggression is not an issue with these particular pit bulls (and quite directly sneer at people who raise the issue), it seems to me that you are not helping pit bulls and not spreading accurate information. As to your suggestion that people will read a factual post about pit bulls and decide that that means that they have locking jaws and swelling brains, I don't quite get your logic. Why would telling the truth make people more likely to believe things that aren't true? Nobody here said pit bulls have something "wrong with their brains" (although I would argue that it is very wrong to breed dogs who have this trait) but there is definately something different in the pit bull brain that causes them to tend to be dog aggressive, sometimes, sadly, to the point where it has a pretty serious impact on their quality of life. (Particularly in multiple dog households). [/quote] Most terriers do have a tendancy to be dog aggressive. There were studies done on fox terriers and beagles. 2 litters were brought up together...the beagles did not show any signs of dog aggression and were more than happy to play amoung themselves avoiding the Terriers. The Terriers also avoided each other and perferred to try to dominant the beagles...even as puppies. I just wanted to add as well...I own a Rottie with a very high prey drive. She lives with 3 cats and I have also fostered baby rabbits as well. My Rottie was motherly towards the baby rabbits and loves my cats...they sleep together etc. If I were to throw a peice of hamburg on the floor my Rottie will wait while the cats eat it first...then once they are finished she will then eat what is left over. But, if my Rottie were to see a strange cat in the yard which was AFRAID of her and tried to run...this in turn would trigger her chase motor pattern...if the cat was not frightened and walked up to her she would then be friendly. This is were I think people become confused, you may own a dog with a high predatory drive which will only display the predatory motor patterns when the animal runs from it...this is completely different from dog aggression. You could also own a breed of dog with a high prey drive which is completely non human aggressive (and one more thing human aggression in our dogs is more often a learned behavior rather than an inherit behavior). I could have my dog with a high predatory drive be completely wonderful and friendly towards every one it meets, the dog could be submissive etc. towards humans....but, have the same dog meet a fearful person or a child frightened and running away this can trigger the chase behavior...for most breeds the full series of predatory motor patterns have been rearranged or deselected making the end of the chase less serious...but, with breeds with the full series of predatory behaviors such as Terriers...the end result can lead to a mauling episode. It is not aggression, it is bred into them for related job tasks required by man...why delete any of the motor patterns of an APBT??? you want them to fight and you want them to have more drive to fight...this is purposely bred into these dogs. This is one aspect of dog ownership which bothers me. The breed is bred to be non human aggressive...believe me any dog can learn to be human aggressive, in most cases this is a learned behavior. There was a girl in my area of the world who bought an APBT (well bred) just for the fact that they were supposed to be non human aggressive...the dog mauled her so bad she ended up in the hospital and she barely got away from her own dog by locking herself in her bathroom and yelling out her window. The scariest thing was the APBT due to having such powerful drives did not calm down at all and had to be shot when the police arrived. The dog was well loved and spoiled...it became top dog, when the owner did some thing the dog didn't approve of it took into her...the women started screaming and tried to run which in turn made the attack esculate. Possibly this owner could have ruined any dog...this was her first dog she had owned...but, the out come of the attack was by far worse than what she may have received from a breed without the full series of predatory motor patterns and the enhanced drives. I am not trying to belittle any one who owns breeds with the full series of motor patterns. I own a dog with a very high prey drive myself...I have also dealt with dogs on many occasions with high prey drives which were very very friendly and a dream to work with. In one case 3 Rotties which were very human friendly ended up mauling a little boy to death due to the child being frightened of them and screaming...the dogs go into what is called "predatory drift" were they no longer associate the screaming object as a child but rather a prey object. It can happen, and it does happen...it would be a much safer world out there if people understood this can happen, although in very isloated incidents. With these dogs they will be very human friendly, sweet and loving...a confident person will have no problems around them. But, with alot of dogs a fearful person or fearful child will trigger the chase behavior...its a scary world when we arm ourselves with dogs which can be potentially dangerous to fearful people and children...if you look at most of the mauling cases they usually involve children of fearful people. There are all kinds of different types of aggression which can lead to a bite...I am only discussing one behavior which is the predatory behavior which is can not really be classified as aggression as this is bred into the breed...or rather enhanced. :wink: Just my take on things, and I really don't care if any one argues that I am wrong. I have seen too much in my 20+ years of working with dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekymunkee Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 [quote]I completely agree, I have always owned a multie dog house hold and not once have I had a problem which would have forced me to seperate my dogs. There is no greater joy than to have all 6 of my dogs play together, sleep together and eat together...even share a bone. I own 3 females, and 3 males...2 males which are intact. [/quote] That is scarey. Maybe it is becaue I have been a pit bull owner all of my life. BUT want to guess which one of my dogs is the most possession aggressive?? My little Ollie dog, the spitz\pom mix. Any person can take food, toys, whathave you from her but let one of the cats or other dogs get close to her food bowl or toy she is playing with & she lets them know right away to back off. For that reason she is not allowed to have toys any where but her room, she is fed seperatly, as are all of my dogs. [quote]There was a girl in my area of the world who bought an APBT (well bred) just for the fact that they were supposed to be non human aggressive...the dog mauled her so bad she ended up in the hospital and she barely got away from her own dog by locking herself in her bathroom and yelling out her window. The scariest thing was the APBT due to having such powerful drives did not calm down at all and had to be shot when the police arrived. The dog was well loved and spoiled...it became top dog, when the owner did some thing the dog didn't approve of it took into her...the women started screaming and tried to run which in turn made the attack esculate. Possibly this owner could have ruined any dog...this was her first dog she had owned...but, the out come of the attack was by far worse than what she may have received from a breed without the full series of predatory motor patterns and the enhanced drives. [/quote] That was NOT a well bred APBT, either that or there was an underlying problem with the dog. I have witnessed many many spoiled APBT (I have two myself) and no way no how will either of them lay a tooth on a human being. Never. You can run screaming through my house & while my dogs will more than likely chase you they will NOT bite you. My dogs all know who is boss, but even so..... a well bred APBT will not do what this ladies dog did. I've had people around my dogs who at first were not comfortable with them, my dogs didn't act any differently around them then they did any one else. I have brought my dogs to work on several occasions. There are people here who aren't that crazy about them, my dogs act no differently around them than they do any one else. It's MY responsibilty to kep my dogs away from people who are not comfortable with them. Oh and MY dogs aren't even THAT well bred. Debby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekymunkee Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 OH, wanted to add......I could have named my thread "Pictures of my pit bulls playing with kittens and another dog" and Primmy would have found a reason to complain about it. She is only pissed because I used one of HER catchy little phrases as a title. Debby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drjeffrock Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 [quote name='sashagirl']I am SO over this... The very fact that primrose refuses to discuss her own dogs PROVES that she is only here to argue... Seriously... Someone please make it STOP!!! :evil: I know a troll when I see one... Be it an intelligent troll who knows how to not break the rules, but STILL cause unnecessary trouble. I am over it! I am not saying this just because I am a pit bull owner. I am not saying this just because I disagree with her. I disagree with a lot of people on this forum on different subjects. I want her gone because she has made it clear from day one that she is only here to cause problems. Every single topic that has the word pit bull in it anywhere turns into huge thread that is all bickering and fighting.... I for one can't take it anymore! :x[/quote] I agree. Can you imagine if the thread named "Ever glad your dog bit someone" had a mention to pitbulls? Prim would be all over it. Anyhow, according to her I am doing my breeds a disservice by posting a pic in my sig of them cuddling. I hope people dont run out and get a pit and an Akita just cause they see them cuddling in my sig. :roll: And as to the AKC standard requiring Akitas to be aggressive towards other dogs, I would not really make a big stink over it. I have NEVER seen a judge not give an Akita BIS because they were not dog-agressive enough. This thread has really gone down in flames. Although the title was sarcastic, perhaps Cheekymunkee was attempting to show that not all pitbulls immediately try to attack every animal in sight. To split hairs and say that it is not right to post pics of pits getting along with other dogs/cats/whatever is ludicrous. Instead of pointing out how this thread might mislead people, perhaps Prim could give a thumbs up to all the other billion threads stating that pits, in general, are dog-aggressive and that they should be seperated if not closely supervised. I havent seen that happen, which leads me to believe that Prim enjoys to start isht over nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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