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Newf, thanks for that, I knew it wasnt true but I didnt know PETA started it... although it doesnt suprise me much. :roll: So they started the rumor about Febreeze being dangerous too then?

Good luck! Ill be thinking of Aspen and you today while youre at the vet!

No advice here, sorry, but good luck! I hope you adopt him. :D

Well, yesterday I was really bored so I asked my mom if we could go to the dog park. She said yes and off we went! :) We almost got lost (thanks to me :oops: :lol: ) but in the end we got there alright. Ive only been to this dog park once but I loved it! Its really nice. Heres the website with more info if youre interested. [url]http://www.planoparks.org/sub_parks/dog_park.htm[/url] Oops, we didnt follow the rules, Kat had a spike collar on. :roll: lol Oh well. Anyway, it was a pretty big area and when we went there was upwards of 30 dogs there. Theres benches and water as well as pet disposal stations. Theres toys everywhere! You arent allowed to bring your own but this place had about 50 tennis balls and tons of tug toys and frisbees, lol. When we got there Kat was excited and all the dogs came up to the gate waiting to greet "the new kid" :lol: She did pretty well at first. About 15 minutes in, she wasnt very social and stayed away from all the dogs. She never played when we were there, poor thing, and this dog kept trying to "rape" her. :roll: I had to pull it off of her by the harness so many times. :x She stuck up for herself thoguh so Im proud of her. She snarled away at that big ol' nasty lab, lol. It really ticked me off how many unneutered males there were in there. Amoung them being labs, pits, dobes, and rotties. Perfect! :evil: Half the time Kat hid under the bench my mom was sitting at so I tried to get her out by the other dogs. Shes just not social I guess. Shes so much like me its scary! :o So while I was standing out in the field with Kat NOT being fun (lol) I took pics of some of the doggies. [i] [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQAAAE8bhdkXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWB!iv1EcW89pbh222emLH5r9ElRVVLkZCLkMPyOO7Sp6FBz7h7ypeg9y3ok3vUSQZp1RQAlqKrM68RACD5PDQj4c2cB1bOFk1KwZH2P6FcGws/2005_0918Image0003.JPG?dc=4675539934311852750[/img] Doggies greeting the new Rottie. Notice the Boxer, she was SUCH a sweeite, and slobbered all over me, lol as well as got me (and my mom) full of mud! I wish I had got pics of her but she was all over the place lol [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQDvAlUbQdsXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWBPHpZ0h!Eq9Dq5kCWsfdzZnCLymy2X8rDDsx0yWSenCbSA599DxEeAvv6nfoUUvlEqUZyoOyetxIeB8Y8QnJaZQVs0Q4U9XKgDTVu!VxDG!Q/2005_0918Image0009.JPG?dc=4675539934327685272[/img] Old GSD relaxing with an old tennis ball. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQDvAk8bhtkXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWBNUACtxOslfcZcgWtxJQVtFOj8cWvF1Nv69pgTShU*plBJstL6FoXyaor*3RxGozonJGc9mjNb41sQpREbbk7wX72ZhgH29dw8uapyBVYOck/2005_0918Image0012.JPG?dc=4675539934337554152[/img] Pretty Weimeraner. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQCbAlMbrdoXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWB2ildWXVVd8fJk*WuS9qukuAOdwDWBwVwmmP2gqu4WsqtO8NUOCktAWQcEW4oGNMXeqvSHQO5zMItFbd2s*J1E85CXoorPHs8L6lKBm0SiZI/2005_0918Image0007.JPG?dc=4675539934324880817[/img] Dobe, Rottie, and GSD playing. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQCXAk0b8tgXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWBQZux3TbsMVrJQtQMbu7W2QAKY2YwAnkgvHjWWHqieOsczyApgQ5Osc01RLCsb*W*QcgHe5UGXHUGNmcoPbvSSQZNEov7NIY4kO7RPJ3PUSU/2005_0918Image0010.JPG?dc=4675539934329700725[/img] Lab and mutt running with Kat getting out of the way lol. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQAAAFEbGdoXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWBqZP463KArsldknfbQVN5xLdf0FRTaVlXGyke!ERhGRrOPdjaiB5R3Z5535Bkn3xgW4BPVK6ibN!r1KjyEqqvQyD8Oe7jkx8!Dn8j7KCDXs4/2005_0918Image0005.JPG?dc=4675539934317547558[/img] Cute lil Boston Terrier drooling all over my new shirt. :o :lol: [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQDvAlIbY9oXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWBZcqrBF!VvtcuIwq2aOER2AooCVRxyeEp2bFL04WJaUIqUT4eejQWCOeZK58TkcnniqeI7!UsrMILz0QX557xWyP9L2lQap00apprhiOLsgk/2005_0918Image0006.JPG?dc=4675539934321572102[/img] The Boston again. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQB2F1Abz9kXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWB4HTMEAEZb8Fo1GFAjryVroWXhtdHP9JehvwxlBXpypQIsUI6*MRa4McyZGXajmYQmyMw5zYRoD1oVLGuAYvATVtDnCYAHTEhrieBG0Q1zWE/2005_0918Image0004.JPG?dc=4675539934315182145[/img] Kat saying hi to the lil cutie. She seemed to do better with the little dogs. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQAgAFQb!NoXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWBUqRgipjyrjzWJOx5NfeTDxo8V!*ohG9Tp8U*0FdL*146BYAcG85OxxapM9M0C!YfJ2pLs2RAPYDRblGouo!MzIJEo4RfxVkZskNaZ3Hw7hM/2005_0918Image0017.JPG?dc=4675539934349234872[/img] Cute, hyper lil Red Heeler x Pit mix, whos owners were admittedly drunk, lol. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQAAAFAb0NkXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWBEUwn2ag5goNoLYJIoMAN*hAlLWHkv3R5EpV5I30k2b71N3Js6laofeQK6Dj41HXbUrahLQwjAQ1QOUM7dWORbGja169tL8j3xn9UHZzCzwY/2005_0918Image0013.JPG?dc=4675539934339913203[/img] The Pit mix, Rottie, an uneutered lab (mix looks like :roll: ), and Kat. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQA*A1EbGtoXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWBFXZJIXUxNNyF1beKQG2ANwdtqoQv0Sk5J6*dCVMJ*mqsR0*fz9gozenFriwosIVpK3q0SSniks1HPBTW*uCYhGGXebcdoz*Qh7TcKMeYQ5A/2005_0918Image0014.JPG?dc=4675539934342103636[/img] Kat and a Great Dane mix. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQCnAlIbZNoXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWBCBjzWUZV81AZvA!9EQJDx*9bIH9mTVDvPrT4sYpQeiD2KK1XqT41C7XY383UVwJFVr8Jpk4Oovt5r9wAkyVq9*xUa0Ufh8EMyn2vPBKl3do/2005_0918Image0015.JPG?dc=4675539934344737883[/img] Kat and a little scruffy mutt. [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQCbAk4bO9kXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWB6G!H6WO7JAxsO2xHo1x3pDHFVi5AMps*0a1RokWhELLHLcrwei9Sqp*hMDOFLAVmCjJmpw4ZRNfEsPRQDvDEkIozbzZetWZW8kEw4FM71V4/2005_0918Image0002.JPG?dc=4675539934308003186[/img] Kat gets checked out by a purdy Husky! [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XQCvAk4bPNkXeEzTTiN0T1RPX8WlcnWBJGdMUxl5LPx3cLka!DvqpxaO29Sl1OAImPw0YtxbUoosOWW*kML2XQ55q20JAWLkQVGZK!s4ezEptavIVaBDgn5hQLHRzf9Pop23EacdtPY/2005_0918Image0011.JPG?dc=4675539934334102271[/img] ...and Kat standing all alone in the dog park. :( [/i]

WOW! :o Those are amazing. Great work. :D

Thats awful Court. :( Id much rather see organizations like that helping than HSUS. I know most of the time the volunteers mean well and have no idea about this kind of thing but its the main idea behind it that I just cant support. Its terrible.

Crossposted from another board. [color=darkred][size=6][b]WHAT IS THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES?[/b] [i]This article was written by Christopher Aust in 2004. [/i][/size][/color] I was rather amazed at the number of people who wrote to me about my opinions regarding the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) when I did my last few articles. Then again, maybe I shouldn't be. Before about two weeks ago, I myself was rather ignorant as to the real goals of HSUS, and where their, (actually your) money goes. As I always do though, I decided to educate myself about them. I also conducted a poll of 100 average people. Just the average Joe in the street. 94% of the people thought HSUS ran the local shelters in their community. 4% knew about their other programs and the remaining 2% had no idea who they were. Of the 94% all said they would donate to HSUS based on what they knew about them. I'm betting HSUS is banking, literally, on these types of individuals. I also went online and found some rather interesting, at times quite scary, information on several web sites. I would have interviewed a HSUS representative, but after last week's newsletter, I got an email from one that was little more than hate mail and very offensive! The Founders: Coleman Burke, then president of the American Bible Society, Cleveland Amory and Helen Jones, founded HSUS in 1954. As far as I have been able to tell, Mr. Burke served as their President until 1970 when John Hoyt, a Presbyterian minister, took over as President and CEO until 1996. Until just a few months ago, the President and CEO was Paul Irwin, a Methodist minister. The current CEO and President is Wayne Pacelle who admittedly has had ties with some radical (and I mean radical) animal rights groups in the past. Now, is it important I mention the religious background? Maybe and maybe not. What I noticed though is the organization, at least to me, has an evangelical feel. Is this a bad thing? No. I don't see why unless you are running the finances in a manner similar to Jim and Tammie Faye Baker! That sure is the way it looks to me. The Officers and Directors: HSUS is an organization with their primary focus being animals. As I reviewed the names and titles of the Board Officers and Directors, I found it curious they had no DVM's (vets) on either. They have three MDs', three PhDs' and six attorneys. Am I the only one that finds this odd? Plenty of lawyers, but no vet. Hmmm. maybe it's just a typo. Comparative Financial Operations Report: When I conducted my interview with Kathy Bauch a few weeks ago, she refused to answer any questions regarding HSUS' finances or "newsletter." She did offer to send me their 2003 financials though. This is what they send whenever some one has questions about their finances. As I mentioned last week, if it was similar to what they have online, it would be vague and difficult to decipher. What I got was much more. What I received is their 2003 Annual Report. It is a twenty-one page "report" that was obviously very expensive to print. Tucked way in the back is exactly what I expected. A vague and difficult to read one page financial report. The rest appears to me to be a very expensive sales letter and nothing more, complete with a postage paid envelope to send in your donation. Now you might say, "So what? They have to promote themselves." I agree. However, this publication has six pages of calendar quality photos of nothing but animals. Two and a half pages of self-glorifying articles from HSUS staff, none of which was necessary. How much donor money could have been saved by deleting this junk from the thousands and thousands of these reports they printed? According to the Comparative Financial Operations Report for 2003, the HSUS has $116,205,882.00 in total liability and net assets. Over 1,000,000 of that is in cash and cash equivalents, and another nearly five and a half million in receivables. They also have nearly $93,000,000 in market value investments. Not too bad. In 2003, in revenue, additions and transfers, HSUS made $76,923,670. Of that amount, sheltering programs received $10,551,527 and it was shared with animal habitat and wildlife programs. Now, assuming it was an even split, sheltering programs received $3,517,175.66 Now that's a lot of money, but not when you consider a good sized shelter can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to run, three million is really a drop in the bucket. They spent $21,145,769.00 in fundraising and membership development. Six times what they put into their shelter programs, which is what most people I talked to think HSUS does with the money donated to them. Providing Help or Selling It: I'm not sure what they spent the money on for their shelter programs, but I will assure you they didn't fund any shelters. In fact, they charge shelters and Animal Control offices for their assistance and instructional material. I have been able to find little and or nothing HSUS doesn't charge for when it comes to helping a shelter and their educational programs. For instance, lets say you or your town runs an animal shelter that is struggling for one reason or another, which most are, HSUS is ready to come in and help. For between $4000.00 and $20,000.00 they will send their experts to your shelter through their Animal Services Consultation Program. The fee depends on the size of the agency and the complexity of its programs, charged on a sliding scale based on your agency's resources. In other words, the more you have, the more they'll take. Youth Programs: Now, lets go back to our youth. You're in middle or high school and want to start a club to promote rescue and do things to help companion animals. HSUS can help you with that, too. Just go to humaneteen.org. There you can buy a package full of all kinds of propaganda and learn to be a full-fledged animal activist. They will sell your child a club starter kit for $22.00 and then give activity suggestions like their "Fight Fur" program. Here they encourage kids to make flyers and hand them out in front of businesses to protest against shoppers buying fur. HSUS will also give your child cards to distribute at such events. They'll show your child pictures of dead animals in traps and direct them to other sites where they can see pictures of hunters beating seals over the head. They will also promote vegetarian lifestyles to your child. Just go to the message board for kids and you can read how many of the kids are distressed, after reading the material HSUS SOLD them, because their parents will not let them go vegetarian. You will also see posts promoting PETA! Now I want to be fair here. They do have some decent material that is age appropriate and educational in nature. I think it's overpriced; for instance, your child can rent a video to show their class for $25.00, but some of it is good material. However, there is little promoting appropriate training, grooming or responsible ownership of companion animals. It seems to me the whole focus is turning our children into activists, vegetarians and extremists. Now if I want my child to be a vegetarian, or an activist, I will make that decision and not HSUS. Our kids have enough on their plate without having to be weighed down with this information or agenda. Additionally, kids are kids and don't always make appropriate decisions. When dealing with complex issues like activism and protesting, it would be easy for them to get into trouble or hurt. Doesn't PETA target children too? Ethical Financial Practices: Let's get back to the money: Former President John Hoyt once instructed his members on becoming more humane: "We begin, I suggest, by living more simply, more sparingly." Let's see how he did. He made around $200,000.00 in the late 1980's running HSUS. In 1986, HSUS bought his house in Maryland for $310,000 and allowed him and his family to live there, free of rent, until 1992. When he retired as CEO, HSUS gave him a $1,000,000.00 bonus. Paul Irwin, another former President, while making $300,000.00 from HSUS, was given an $85,000.00 interest free loan to renovate his cabin in Maine. The cabin was held in trust by HSUS, however his family continued to use it until he died. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Makes me wonder. Guilty by Association: Let's look at some of HSUS' associations: In April of 2000 HSUS sent J.P. Goodwin as its emissary on an anti-fur mission to China. Goodwin is not just any animal rights fanatic. He was an avowed member of Animal Liberation Front (ALF), a group once called one of the biggest domestic terrorist organizations by the FBI. He had been convicted for vandalism of several fur retailers and their property. Less than a year later, he was formerly identified as a HSUS legislative staff member. If you don't know about ALF (Animal Liberation Front), you should check them out. They truly scare the heck out of me. They are, in my opinion, every bit as much a threat to people as Al Qaeda. I cannot believe HSUS would hire such a person. When asked questions on arson fire at a slaughter house in Taluma, California, and a Utah feed co-op that nearly killed a family, Goodwin stated, "We're ecstatic!" Then, there is the PETA connection ... HSUS has repeatedly hired PETA employees in their organization. Their head of investigations, several investigators, a computer programmer, just to name a few. Sorry folks, but my opinion is…once a terrorist, always a terrorist. When HSUS hires these people, they appear to support the crimes these individuals may have been involved in. In 2003, HSUS VP Martin Stephens was asked to recommend three people to serve on an EPA "pollution prevention and toxics" panel. Two of his three choices were PETA employees. All Talk and No Action: While HSUS will admit they don't run or fund any shelters, you usually find it at the bottom of the page or tucked away somewhere near the end of a statement. As I mentioned before, they don't put their money where their mouth is. Get this. In 1995, when the Washington DC animal shelter was going to have to close due to a budget shortfall, HSUS (based in DC) offered to build and operate a DC shelter at its own expense to serve as a national model. There were, of course, conditions. HSUS wanted the city to give it 3-5 acres of land and tax exempt status for all of its real estate holdings in the District of Columbia. (Remember, they buy some executives homes to live in among other property holdings.) The DC government offered a long-term lease but HSUS refused to proceed unless it would "own absolutely" the land. The district declined, and the only HSUS funded animal shelter never materialized. HSUS, who makes and has enough money to fund a shelter in every state, as well as subsidize spay/neuter programs, declined to help the dogs in its own back yard. Why? Money is all they can think of. Perhaps they were afraid they would soil their Armani suits by actually working with a dog. The New CEO: Rather than go on a tirade about the new President and CEO of HSUS, I have put some quotes from him below. Read them, and you decide. "I think they wanted the aggressive approach," he says. "They wanted someone who was going to think things up. And they got him." June 2004, Washington Post when asked about his selection as CEO. "We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding." Quoted in Animal People, May, 1993 Overview: I could go on for days about HSUS, but I will stop here. In my opinion, they are little more than an organization whose main agenda is filling the coffers and pushing an extremist agenda through misinformation and exploitation. Again, my opinion, they have done nothing but profit from the contributions of people who don't know any better. I have tried to see it otherwise, I simply can't. I highly recommend you go to activistcash.com and see what they have there about HSUS and their connection with PETA. There are several other sites I found interesting, as well as many stories about HSUS in the archive of the Washington Post. Would I give anything to the Humane Society of the United States? Yes I would. A pooper-scooper, they can use to go clean my yard. At least then we would know they actually have done something for a dog this year.

[quote name='Jessashelony']I was thinking that Yes, in fact... Hmmmm is VERY stubborn... :lol:[/quote] :lol: Cute pics Court. :D

Poor, poor Jack. At least now hes free from the pain of all that hail and is running around at Rainbow Bridge. :angel: Like PPG said, you should really talk to him. Putting another dog in that situation would be awful.

Hope you have fun :D

Thats great. I know I lvoe to see some of the dogs come into PetsMart after theyve been adopted. Its like a completely new dog. :D [quote name='rotten_two']where are the pics?[/quote] Yeah, you shouldve been prepared! I WANT PICS!

Thats great news. I wouldnt know how to feel either though. Im so sorry it had to happen this way but at least all your critters are alive and well.

I just got back from PetsMart with Kat. I figured she needs to get out and interact with people and dogs. There wasnt many dogs there but she did get attention from people. I let a few children pet her, which I need to do more often because she is scared to death of them! Well, anyway, this one couple was talking with me about her and just as a worker was walking towards us the wife said, "shes just so adorable!" The worker corrected her by saying "he" :roll: The couple was like WTF? They knew I had said she was a girl so why was this PetsMart employee saying its a boy? Kat had her tail tucked so far under it looked like she was a boy. :oops: :lol: My poor baby is just so unsocialized. :( She has gotten better though.

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:lol:

See, I get that dogs should learn to use their bodyforce in addition to their teeth but heres my problem with this... [quote]Esp. with a muzzle on, wouldn't it be harder for the dog to wrestle allowing you to test for gameness? [/quote] In a roll, without using their teeth it would take A LOT longer for the dog to lose its energy enough to test gameness. I mean a pit's main tool is its jaws. Its like us trying to wrestle with our arms tied behind our backs. Can you imagine how long that would take to claim a winner? Also, their life isnt in danger which is an element in proving gameness.

[quote name='Rowie-the-Pooh']I'd really like to watch it, where can I order it from?[/quote] The last link I posted, has the DVD/video for sale for 14.95. If you try looking other places (ebay, etc.) you can probably get it cheaper. :wink: Hmmmm, I agree. Its sad because people are going to think this is what real dogmen are like. Apparently the one guy they interviewed won best in show so some people think hes really great. :roll: Although, maybe its not a good idea for the public to know theres a not so awful way of fighting. :-? Wouldnt that just open up the game to more thugs? Carol, the whole video isnt just about fighting. It goes into detail about the hoistory of the APBT and is showing it as a great dog, trying to dismiss the myths and rumors behind it being a "bad" breed and show its bad owners instead. For me, my reason behind wanting to see it is see what Bobby Brown has passed off as real dogmen. ....I think these people are as bad as the thugs just throwing a bunch of pits together and expecting a show, but yet they seem to be using game dogs. They try to pass themselves of as dogmen but they dont care about their dogs at all. Its truely sick. :evil:

Sorry Mouse. You and Gladis deserved more time with each other. :cry: RIP sweetie, run free!

[quote name='BuddysMom'][quote name='__crazy_canine__']BM, I never said right now... in fact I didnt say ever. I simply agreed Id pay good money for a pup from her because I know theyre well-bred. I wouldnt get a pup from her right now, in fact I was talking to Hmmmm about that a few days ago and you can ask her yourself. I said it would be irresponsible of me to get another dog right now or anytime in the near future.... because 1) I want to wait until my Kat and Lucky pass on so Ill have most of my time to devote to a energy-filled APBT and 2) I need to get my life straightened out as all of you have read how unstable I am. It would be AT LEAST 10 years before I would even THINK about getting a pup from Hmmmm. BTW, you cant believe everything you read on the internet. Thats all she meant. LC I dont think that was directed at you (you practically said the same thing she did), but Hmmmm, correct me if Im wrong. :wink:[/quote] Thanke for explaining! :P That is sound thinking, more what I would expect from you. :wink: Sorry I misinterpreted.[/quote] No problem. :wink: Hmmmm, you would feed me to your doggies? :puppydogeyes: But, but but... I thought you [i]loved[/i] meh?!? :placz: I feel so betrayed! *sniffle*

BM, I never said right now... in fact I didnt say ever. I simply agreed Id pay good money for a pup from her because I know theyre well-bred. I wouldnt get a pup from her right now, in fact I was talking to Hmmmm about that a few days ago and you can ask her yourself. I said it would be irresponsible of me to get another dog right now or anytime in the near future.... because 1) I want to wait until my Kat and Lucky pass on so Ill have most of my time to devote to a energy-filled APBT and 2) I need to get my life straightened out as all of you have read how unstable I am. It would be AT LEAST 10 years before I would even THINK about getting a pup from Hmmmm. BTW, you cant believe everything you read on the internet. Thats all she meant. LC I dont think that was directed at you (you practically said the same thing she did), but Hmmmm, correct me if Im wrong. :wink:

[img]http://www.doggienews.com/lib/off-the-chain.jpg[/img] [i]HSUS West Coast Regional Director Eric Sakach says, "This film goes inside the belly of the beast, and the beast isn't the pit bull terrier, it's man. This is the ultimate betrayal of man's best friend. The director exposes the fastest growing crime in America—dogfighting. Off the Chain is a horrifying glimpse into the world where the special relationship between man and dog has been perverted."[/i] Overall it seems to be good news for the pit bull, spreading the message that its bad owners and not bad dogs. :wink: Heres the point of view of real dogmen (some only claiming to be): [url=http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7751]Game-dog Forum[/url] [url=http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/animal_fighting_the_final_round/off_the_chain_reveals_betrayal_of_mans_best_friend_2.html]HSUS Review[/url] [url=http://www.offthechain-movie.com/]Official Website[/url] Personally, I really want to see this video and get my own opinion of it. Sounds like they only got inside fighting scenes from street fights though... :x

Anyone ever hear of this? Apparently APBTs are matched only with muzzles on. :-? While I respect that people are trying to find a way to keep the fighting sport and preserve gameness in a safer way, it doesnt preserve gameness and whats a dog without its teeth? :roll: I dont get what anyone gets out of it?! :-?

Thanks for the link, PUP. :D Thats really interesting. I thought they looked very SP-like to be mixed. :-?

[img]http://www.sorryagain.com/38002.jpg[/img] Im guessing these are Shar Pei x German Shorthaired Pointer mixes? I was looking at sorryagain.com. I thought they were really cute looking and I had to share. :P

Great post Alan! :D [quote name='Alan']Hmmm comes to mind in the above senerio. She is definately not NOT a BYBER. I would pay good money for a pup she bred.[/quote] Ditto! :wink: