Teacup heelers

[ShadyLady]

miniture heelers :o anyone heard of these a friend of mine found it on the net but cant remember where :cry: What will they think of next ? will they use the mini heelers on mini cattle or maybe they will call them lap dogs If anyone can find the site I would love a good laugh :D :smilecolros:

[Bensam]

Friends in Gippsland had ACD's which they used with their dairy herd and also showed. They had one called Russ, a lovely dog, could have taken him home but a bit too much dog for me. When I saw the advert for the miniature Australian Cattle Dog, I had visions of one about the size of a big Min Pin. about 12 inches. That I could cope with! Trouble was it was in Texas :cry: . Lucky for me, because I cant find the darn thing again, but would have been tempted if it was in Aussie :lol: Still I don't agree with any dog being miniaturised (sp). A breed is a breed is a breed..................
Why do they have to mess around with them let alone cross them. I'm sure there enough around now with enough problems without getting into unknown territory :evilbat:

[Hobbit]

Koolie, I post this somewhere else, but can't find it. BUT, here's a funny thing to visualize!!

A lady in Texas has a Chihuahua stud dog and she breeds her two normal sized Heelers (one blue, one red) with the Chihuahua. She holds him up there and then holds him until he's done.

Of course --- the Heelers are not registered and are not really what I would call "nice" looking either (I know that was nasty, but....they aren't).

Of course, the dominant color pattern of the Heeler phenotypically passes on to the offspring. They do have the color of a Heeler --- but that is ALL. I wish I had a scanner!!

She advertises and sells them as "Miniature Heelers" --- they are a freaking MIXED BREED!! :evilbat:

AND people are actually thinking that they are getting a RARE MINIATURE FULLBLOOD HEELER! I have had a person argue with me about this. I tried to explain that the puppy he just paid $400.00 for, was NOT a fullblood HEELER, but was a Heeler X Chihuahua!! He was is such denial! And NEVER believed me! :roll:

[imported_Foster]

Just like with any breed you are going to have the munchkin in the litter but they are not mini heelers. I have seen some pretty small heelers in my travels but they are not called minis.

I agree with Hobbit that these so called minis are probably mixes. And why anyone would want a "mini" heeler is beyond me.

Just wish people would stop messing up these breeds.

[yellowlabsrule]

I've heard of alleged miniature australian shepards before!

[yellowlabsrule]

Here's a site with mini and TOY aussies! :lol: [url]http://www.pics.net/~cranch/aussie.html[/url] 600 and 800 dollars! :mad:

[Hobbit]

:evilbat: just ridiculous. I contacted one breeder of the "mini" Aussies and she said her two original sire & dam came from normal parents. I pressed further and she gleefully told me that the "normal" parents were AKC (figures) registered and were full brother to sister mating and the resulting pups were, "mini". Then I made the mistake of saying..."dwarf", which resulted in a primal scream, followed by banshee screeching. My parting words were, "a rose is a rose, by any other word it's still a rose!".

I can imagine these "mini's and toys" are severely inbred, crossed with Shelties or Corgis (but the ears aren't right) --- so my bet is either of the first two theories.

I don't buy the, "oh it just happened", because there are way to many of them to have been "just bred down in size from normal parents" (hasn't been enough time, genetically speaking).

Just like the "mini and teacup" Heelers ---- they are CROSSED WITH SOMETHING! :evilbat:

And it's ALL for the MONEY.

I think we're going to start crossing the Kelpies with Mini-pins (since the color is the same) and have "mini-Kel's". Sound like a plan?

[Hobbit]

Oh......oh.....Keltoy's! OR Minkel's OR Kelmin's..........! And I'm going to charge $1000.00 because they are soooooo rare.

[Bensam]

You can use my Min Pin stud dog and I'll go you halves :lol:
Looked at those Mini Aussies. I know they have the supposed measurements with them but my Min Pins are 11ins and 12ins and they appear a lot smaller than those Minis. I was trying to get a comparision, particularly with the ones with an adult in the background and the one against the cushion of the couch. Maybe it's the coat, I don't know, but I would have said more 15 to 18ins, even those babies look big, then I'm comparing them with Min Pin baby size. Would be interested to actually see them. If anyone does please let us know.

[Hobbit]

YES, I would be interested in seeing them....especially the new prospective stud dog! :lol: :lol:

[Ickle]

Only mini heelers I have seen here are Lancashire Heelers which look a mini pin with more bone and a longer stockier body, short legs and are usually black & tan or a chocolate colour :roll:

[Hobbit]

[quote name='Ickle']Only mini heelers I have seen here are Lancashire Heelers which look a mini pin with more bone and a longer stockier body, short legs and are usually black & tan or a chocolate colour :roll:[/quote]


[b][color=red]Hey Corgilady -- TAKE A LOOK AT THEM!! [url]http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/lancashireheeler.htm[/url]

Welsh Corgi and Manchester Terrier cross.

These mini heelers these people are talking about are Australian Cattle Dogs (Heelers) crossed with a Chihuahua or Rat Terrier. [/color][/b]

[imported_Foster]

I have actually seen these mini australian shepherds also known as north american shepherds. I think they are ugly and are lacking in personality. If they were truly mini aussies they would look like small aussies not these funny looking dogs that I have seen. I once again agree with Hobbit, there is some other breed in the woodpile or their is some inbreeding going on...

I said it before, you will always get some extra small pups in any given litter but that does not make them minis...they are just small. If over time all the runts are bred together maybe you would get a true mini but right now, they don't truly exist in my opinion with regards to the acd or aus. shepherd.

[Hobbit]

I agree with you. It's a money making thing.

[corgilady]

[quote name='"Hobbit'][b][color=red]Hey Corgilady -- TAKE A LOOK AT THEM!! [url]http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/lancashireheeler.htm[/url]

Welsh Corgi and Manchester Terrier cross.

These mini heelers these people are talking about are Australian Cattle Dogs (Heelers) crossed with a Chihuahua or Rat Terrier. [/color][/b][/quote]


[b][color=violet]GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!![/color][/b]

I can't believe it. Frankly I just can't understand ANY of these mixes. Everyone who breeds a dog should spend 7 solid days in an animal shelter first. :roll:

[Bentley's Dad]

The breeder mentioned earlier as selling mini aussies, kept talking about how they had been breeding cattle dogs for a long time, loved the breed, etc. The strange thing is, theyre selling "mini" australian sheperds. Quite a reputable breeder indeed. Most of these people sound like they have low moral standards, no interest in the dogs, and are basically just perverting ACD's and aussie sheperds.

[Hobbit]

[quote=Bentley's Dad]The breeder mentioned earlier as selling mini aussies, kept talking about how they had been breeding cattle dogs for a long time, loved the breed, etc. The strange thing is, theyre selling "mini" australian sheperds. Quite a reputable breeder indeed. Most of these people sound like they have low moral standards, no interest in the dogs, and are basically just perverting ACD's and aussie sheperds.[/quote]


This one? [url]http://www.pics.net/~cranch/aussie.html[/url]

Bentley's Dad --- post a picture of Bentley, will you!? :P

[corgilady]

:o Well you can't tell much about the dogs from the website, can you? They do have nice horses though!

[Hobbit]

OUCH --- just looked at the horses (forgot to look the last time). A little pricey for an unproven (a prospect) filly or colt.

[ShadyLady]

While on the subject of unscroupless breeders what are peoples thoughts on people who breed several breeds at once ? I think to get the best out of a breed and to be devoted to bettering the quality of a dog that people who are breeding more than one breed seem to be in it for more than the love of your dogs it almost puts them up there with puppy mills .Its probably a harsh comparison what do you guys think?

[Bentley's Dad]

i'll be posting a picture soon in my sig, unfortunatly i dont have a digital camera or a scanner so getting good digital pics is tough

[Bensam]

I can only comment with experience on the show dog scene and there are some to my knowledge who are breeding more than one breed and most of those do seem to have a different attitude to their dogs. They appear to be more interested in puppy sales than anything else. Some places I have been to, while the dogs are all very well cared for, only a few would get the home enviroment, the rest living in kennels. For a lot of these people it appears to be a business more than a pleasure. The vast majority of showies concentrate on the one breed, treat their dogs as family and breed to improve their own lines and have another to show.
I did a quick surf around some working dog studs in Aussie and found they all appeared to concentrate on one breed.
I guess the thought of anyone breeding, say three or more breeds, would have to be a bit sus. as they would have a fair turnover of pups for sale.

[ShadyLady]

Yes I was thinking that too bensam I know of a few breeders who have two or 3 breeds of dogs (working dogs that is) and there is always a cloud of doubt over whether there dogs are pure bred or not lets face it with working dogs your using them everyday bitch comes into season BAM ! you got a cross bred dog but hey it looks like the mother well call it a heeler . Lets face it the dogs need to be exercised everyday at least with one breed your always concentrating on your next improvement to the breed imagine having to do it 2 or 3 times at once :o

[Guest Anonymous]

i really cant understand :cry:. bad puntuation too :agrue: . I have a headache too :oops: . sorry.

[ShadyLady]

Reed puppy what is your point :agrue: