Hobbit

Just trotting by........ so, the house insurance was cancelled (or threatened to be cancelled) because you had a [b]Pit[/b] (or something that looked like a Pit).........but it's okay to have a [b]Pit[/b]/Boxer? TOTAL BS.

Cassie --- again, BRAVO!

[b]Roo ... TLCPets....[/b] are we NO longer allowed to have private conversations?? I am really sorry if my post somehow confused you or hurt your feelings, it surely was not meant to do that. Some people do not check their pm boxes regularly and I wanted to make sure she/he did. [b]Cassie --- BRAVO! [/b]

Tifa --- I PM'd you concerning this topic. Please do not post reply, just PM me if you have any comments. Thanks.......

Lots may ohhhhh and ahhhhhh at the new puppies, but for me --- I have a HUGH problem with a breeder that KNOWINGLY continues to breed genetic defects! The sire of the litter is: CH Duwest I'm a Cowboy at Austlyn HSAa ---- he is also offered to approved bitches for stud. He is TYPE B/Carrier for PRCD (eye disease). They are knowingly and continuely breeding for this defect. The dam of the litter is Type A/Clear with an OFA rating of Fair (I feel fair isn't good enough for breeding stock). Her sire was a Carrier, her dam is clear. A litter mate to her is a Carrier. I see nothing wrong with breeding her to another TYPE A. This breeder has produced TYPE C/Affected offspring. She also has many offspring that were produced by known TYPE C/Affected dogs. Tell me where the logic is? She is continuing to breed genetic defects....knowingly, willingly and without malice...producing genetic defects at the expense of the dogs. Why? I bet the excuse is that her dogs are *Champions. I do not buy the crappy excuse for breeding TYPE B or TYPE C's because the gene pool is so limited.....according to the ACD website there are 48,355 listings. Some may be duplicates, some may be deceased, some may be not even listed. There is a "so what" attitude among ACD breeders concerning the breeding of dogs with this defect. They all seem to be more concerned with "but he's a Champion" then about the long term effects this breeding practice will cause. Take a look at some of the Silver Hills dogs --- the majority of those dogs are TYPE C/Affected --- AND tightly inbred. Hum.....there's that evil word..."INBRED". [url]www.cattledog.com/health/prcd.html[/url]

[quote name='Poofy']lastly: As for the site hobbit posted...while it was interesting...I will not put much weight in the value of private web pages. If its not published buy the scientific community I am not really interested in it. And its very difficult for me to put any stock into a web page that promotes the breeding and selling of mixed puppies using a bit of out of context fact to sell what they are breeding. I have plenty of books and online zines to read and keep me busy for the next year or so. Currently I am reading a DNA book by Berg and Howe which is very dry boring and I have fallen asleep on it a few times. It would be nice if these books would have some action scenes every once in a while (grin) :D I am currently looking for a good used copy of Cancer Chemotherapy in Small Animal. Practice by Jane M Dobson and Neil T Gorman, if any one has one they want to part with. <hint> There is supposed to be a good section on tumor biology. Any how...sleep tight...I am off to bed ;)[/quote] Because you don't understand it, that is why you poo-poo it off. If you DID understand, then you would see the significance in the meaning. If you want published works by the Scientific community --- I CAN surely give you lots and lots of information.

[quote name='Poofy']Woah: [color=darkred][b]I knew I would get sucked back into this vortex of never ending mis-information. I just can't let this go.[/b][/color] I am perfectly aware that gram positive has to do with Bacteria, but if you are dealing with the Genetic material of bacteria, and site specific transpondible elements...it has EVERYTHING to do with genetics. DNA exisists in bacteria. Bacteria are much more simple and often easier to deal with then looking at a more complex organism [color=red][b]Who is the heck was EVEN talking about bacteria in the first place?? No one, but you. [/b][/color] Transposons are hopping pieces of DNA shown to be present in the mamalian genomes only very recently, do you know where they came from, cause I do. Then I am suprised that you do not know that the first transposible elements to be used for genetic analysis was done in bacteria. The E coli bactiophages. [b][color=red]Bacteriophage(phage) is a virus that infects bacteria. A virus is a particle consisting of a nucleic acid (RNA or DNA) genome surrounded by a protein coat (capsid) and sometimes also a membrane, which can replicate only after infecting a host cell. A virus particle may exist free of its host cell but is incapable of replicating on its own. [/color][/b] That was over 50 years ago by Marbnara Mc Clintock. Transposons are not hopping genes, from the way I was taught, rather ther are genetic elements or units that can be "transposed" within the genome. [color=red][b]The pioneering work in the 1950/60's by Barbara McClintock on so-called jumping genes in corn where she identified transposible elements or transposons which are genetic signalling sequences that allow genes to move around within the genome. These studies made possible the techniques that are used today to insert genes into organisms. However they also show that there is a great deal of instability to gene modification and this leads to much uncertainty as to where genes locate and what they do once they are inserted. Thus, it is much too soon to know the affects that inserted genes will have either in the targetted crop plants or on consumers of those crop products. Are you sure it's NOT [i]Shigella[/i] that you are talking about? Transposible elements: Genetic elements characterized by their abilities to insert into and withdraw from a given location within the genome, resulting in movement from site to site within the genome over a period of time. Transposable elements may cause epigenetic changes in phenotype. [/b][/color] What the cr** is a pritien? Did you mean protein....that again is NEVER part of DNA. I would be willing to explain anything you want, but PLEASE speak real words not jibberish. Pritien was a type-o ...should have been protien. Sorry about that. Actually protien binds certain parts of Mu DNA thats why I was asking. Is it apart of that binding process/coding ? or what? As for protien not having any part of DNA... When DNA is coded into MRNA the MRNA is associated with the robisome where is undergoes translation into PROTIEN. Protien is HOW a genetic code is expressed. Almost all the possible codes in DNA specify one of the twenty amino acids, the chemical building blocks of protien.... [color=darkred][b]Messenger RNA (mRNA): An RNA molecule transcribed [u]from[/u] the DNA of a gene, and from which a protein is translated by the action of ribosomes. The basic function of the nucleotide sequence of mRNA is to determine the amino acid sequence in proteins. Ribosome: A complex organelle (composed of proteins plus rRNA) that catalyzes translation of messenger RNA into an amino acid sequence. Ribosomes are made up of two non-identical subunits each consisting of a different rRNA and a different set of proteins. The genome, is used to build and maintain cells, tissues, organs and organisms. In the flow of information from genome to organism, two steps require the copying of nucleotide sequence information into a different form. The first step, the copying of the DNA information [i][u]into[/u][/i] RNA, is designated transcription. After transcription and before translation the RNA transcripts are processed to produce mature messenger RNA (mRNA). The second copying step, in which amino acids are polymerized in response to the RNA information, is called translation. The products of translation, polypeptides, are also processed, producing the mature proteins. Each of the steps and the RNA and protein processing reactions rely on signal elements within the informational molecule to signal the correct copying or processing. Mature proteins contribute to phenotype in many ways: structural (membranes, fibers); catalytic (synthesizing other structural macromolecules, lipids, polysaccharides, etc.); regulatory (turning on and off various reaction paths) in response to environment or developmental plan. [/b][/color] And I am speaking real words thank you.[/quote]

[quote name='pei obssessed']I've been reading everybody's posts about the heartworm preventive--sorry to hear about your losses... I wanted to ask: does anyone use Revolution (selamectin topical solution)? It's a fairly new product that was recommended by my vet--it's supposed to be good for heartworm, fleas and ticks... It's applied on the skin (between the shoulder blades) once a month. On the prospect it says that they have tested it and that from 100 pure bred dogs, none had any side effects... But you can never know, I guess. I haven't started giving it to my Shar-pei because it's not mosquito season yet, but I wanted to know if anyone knows anything about this drug, anyone had any bad experiences?[/quote] It's from the Chemical group: Avermectin, (Macrocyclic Lactone), same as Ivermectin. Ivermectin has not been approved by the FDA for the use on small animals. [b]Selamectin[/b] Chemical group: Macrocyclic lactone Trade name: Revolution Mode of action: Binds to glutamate gated chloride channels in the parasites

ShadyLady -- here is a nice website for you to look at. This may be something you could use for your newsletter. [url]http://www.meekersheepdog.com/event.htm[/url] [url]http://www.agrihelp.com/dgtrain1.htm[/url] [url]http://www.agrihelp.com/dgtrain2.htm[/url] [url]http://www.agrihelp.com/dgtrain3.htm[/url] [url]http://www.agrihelp.com/stkdgfuture.htm[/url] [url]http://www.agrihelp.com/pickpup1.htm[/url] [url]http://www.agrihelp.com/pickpup2.htm[/url] [url]http://www.agrihelp.com/buzzwords.htm[/url] I don't know if you can use any of this, I just ran across it while looking for something else.

[quote name='Hmmmm']I do know that too much inbreding can cause problems. As I stated, linebreeding and cross breeding are important as well. If you know about the different families/lines of the APBT you know that each of these lines carry certain traits. You inbreed to keep the traits strong and outcross when needed. [b][color=darkred]You do not have to tightly inbreed to achieve this. [/color][/b] Some people inbreed too much, some not enough. Your books will not tell you when you get to either point unless there is physical proof you have gone too far. [b][color=red]Physical proof, at the expense of the dog --- I'm NOT willing to sacrifice my dogs because of an unwillingness to *hear* what has been proven. There is NO need for the sacrifice or severe culling that is done on a frequent basis by these *dogmen --- if a person has the knowledge to achieve what they are breeding for, these *mistakes* would occur less frequently. [/color][/b] I know when I need to bring another line in. Not from books but from experience. [b][color=red]IF you are leaning towards saying or implying that my knowledge of genetics is all book learning....you are sadly mistaken. I've been breeding livestock, dogs included, for almost 35 years.[/color][/b] Not only from my experience but from dogmen who have been breeding most of their lives and are well known. I may not know all the sceintific genetic terms and opinions but I know what these breeders have done, and they have done it better than anyone. [b][color=darkred]How do you test for mental instability in dogs? Better? If you call "better" at the expense of the dog, I guess so. [/color][/b] "Substandard" dogs, huh? I know several people who will [b]strongly[/b] disagree with you. And I guarantee anyone knowing about the bloodlines of my breed would love to have any of my dogs. And if you put someone with all this genetic knowledge and compare their dog to mine, mine will still be the dog most choose. [color=red][b]Your dog would be chosen by a person that had no knowledge of genetics. Someone that would not understand the mental damage that occurs from the continual practice of tightly inbreeding. Chosen by someone that would not understand how "fixing" a gene could/would hurt the breed in general. You are closed minded on this subject and it's fruitless for this conversation to continue. Your mind is made up, has been made up and you have NO idea how deeply you are hurting the dogs that you have --- you may not "see" what I'm talking about, understand what I'm talking about, but at the mental level, molecular level ---- You are playing a dangerous game at the expense of the mental stability of your dogs. [/b][/color]One thing you must remember with breeders of the APBT is that we cull, and cull hard. Culling is also a very important part of breeding. [color=darkred][b]AGAIN, if a person has the working knowledge of genetics and how to manipulate and use this knowledge in their breedings --- severe culling would not be a necessary factor as frequently as it's done in the APBT circle. I guess if a person doesn't mind knocking puppies in the head or killing young adults, then YOUR experienced way of breeding is for them[/b][/color].[/quote] Reread my post -- slowly --- I never called your dogs substandard. Tell me what feeling you have or how you know to outcross? What are the indicators?

[quote name='Malamum']Hey Hobbit, everything you have said makes perfect sense. I did however just notice on the link you posted for Shady Lady to look at under the heading of Herding Dog Breeds, both the Australian Shepherd and the Minature Australian Shepherd are listed :o[/quote] In order for anything to be a NEW breed it MUST be bred to another breed, different from the original breed. This has been my point about the "Mini-Aussie's". IF they are calling the Mini-Aussie's a "NEW BREED", then they can[b] NOT[/b] be fullblood Aussie's. They [b]MUST[/b] be crossed with another breed. This is a quote from the MASCA website: [i]"Dissatisfied with the limited show schedule offered by any one club, enthusiasts attempted to secure wider recognition. However, it soon became apparent that acceptance could not be gained under the new name because it implied a new breed. [b]In actuality, the mini Aussie remained a size variety of the Australian Shepherd, with a continuous genepool, and not a separate breed. [/b]Those concerned with maintaining Australian Shepherd heritage, instinct, temperament and type, and interested in pursuing further recognition formed a Miniature Australian Shepherd parent club in order to attain these goals". [/i]

Have you seen this website? Lots of good links. [url]http://www.dog-training.com/sheepdog.htm[/url]

[quote name='ShadyLady']Question I was looking for training tips on herding on the web for our clubs newsletter is it still the same deal?? :roll:[/quote] Personally, Shady -- if it said do not reproduce, copy, etc...without prior permission > I'd ask before I copied anything. I have seen instances where the author gives permission as long as he/she is acknowledged as the author.

Here is a coonhound website: [url]http://www.coonhoundcentral.com/index.html[/url]

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