Guest Anonymous Posted March 2, 2004 Posted March 2, 2004 I am looking for the breed or breeds of the tri-color long haired dog in the current Iams dog food tv commercial. The dog has a bright orange / yellow face and its body is black white and orange /yellow. Does anyone have any information? I think this dog is beautiful. Quote
courtnek Posted March 3, 2004 Posted March 3, 2004 [quote name='K']HUH I am surprised they dont use a Beagle...after all they have thousands locked up in thier laboratories....oh no wait a minute they are all cut up and mangled...they would not look so good on camera right :-?[/quote] ?????? Didnt they rehome those dogs? I dont think I ever heard the end of the story... :o Quote
TDG Posted March 3, 2004 Posted March 3, 2004 last i heard, those testing dogs go to a "retirement kennel" somewhere in alabama, but who knows what kind of facility that is, since the media have never been allowed access. procter & gamble is very sucessful in making a bunch of promises when it comes to the animal cruelty they still cause (not just to dogs and cats by the way!) in order to protect their interests and profits, but rarely ever have i seen them actually following up on those promises. whenever you inquire, you will either be ignored or just get some sort of roundabout canned non-statement with no real information in it. which is why i boycott ANY procter & gamble products and also anything that is affiliated with them. if i can help it, nothing P&G can poossibly make a profit from enters my house, no matter [i]how[/i] useful it might be. so for me, no swiffers, no febreze, no dawn, no cascade, no tide, no clairol, no pantene, no tampax, no charmin toilet paper, nothing that appears on [url=http://pandg.com/products/pg_products.jhtml]this list[/url] and then some. Quote
Guest Mutts4Me Posted March 3, 2004 Posted March 3, 2004 Well... I haven't seen the commercial, but from the description, it sounds like it could be a Bernese Mountain Dog. Quote
TDG Posted March 3, 2004 Posted March 3, 2004 yep, it's really sad - that's why i tell everyone who wants to hear about it (or not :wink: ) why i boycot procter & gamble in general and iams/eukanuba specifically. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 yes i to heard about this they were doing to the dogs there. i took a page about it into work and told everybody i know there who had dogs and cats what was going on. alot well most of them now boycot iams. we were feeding this at the time so was my friend we thought it was good food. low and behold i felt responciable to the hell those dogs and cats were going through. i know alot of dog food companys use animals to test on. but why that way? hows purina are they the same way? i just am wondering? and should i boycot all protor and gamble stuff? my sister does she says they are devil worshipers???( she goes overbord some times says she saw it on that old talk show DONAHU ??)) dont know about that ,but anymore info on these pet foods would be nice. i just want to know if purina is the same way. these are the brands we feed pedigree, diamond, and purina one, purina pro plan. we have cats too i know this isnt a sight for cats but we feed purina one for our cats. we were told by our local pet shop that diamond was a real good dog food. he dropped iams and started carrying the diamond, i know people can say this just to sell stuff but he is a good guy and has always had some good advice on our animals .well any info on these companys would be much appriciated thanks!!!! Quote
bk_blue Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 [quote name='ckmilk']my sister does she says they are devil worshipers[/quote] I don't know about this, but their disgusting cruelty to animals is enough to make me boycott P&G. :evil: Quote
TDG Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 here are a few links to give a general idea about what's going on. side note: i am by no means a PETA supporter and do not agree with all the stuff they do, but in some cases their campaigns have successfully forced corporate giants to comply and find less cruel alternatives for their common business practices. there are not many organizations that have the financial backing to step up and confront said corporate giants, so i do not discount everything PETA does. if it weren't for them, some things would remain hidden from the unknowing consumer's eyes for so much longer. [url]http://iamskills.com/the_horrors.shtml[/url] [url]http://www.uncaged.co.uk[/url] [url]http://www.iamscruelty.com[/url] [url]http://www.pginfo.net/facts.html[/url] [url]http://www.idausa.org/facts/pg.html[/url] [url]http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Societies/greensoc/archive/procterandgamble/[/url] [url]http://www.eden20.orcon.net.nz/BunNoName.html[/url] [url]http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/PO0305/S00215.htm[/url] [url]http://www.pandgkills.com/pgfact.html[/url] [url]http://www.liberation-mag.org.uk/procter10.htm[/url] Quote
Queen Bitch Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 Guys, the person wanted to know about the dog. This one got off topic in record time :lol: I have seen the commercial and I think it's a border collie or a border collie mix. Quote
dogsgalore Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 I didn't know that Iams or any dog food companies did that. :o I'm glad it got of the subject, you learn something new every day! I'm definately going to tell people about this! :x By the way, I've never seen the commercial so I don't know. Quote
Holz_Boomer Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 yeah hillside, i was going to say the same about the way off topic-ness :lol: well yeah i think a border collie could be it, but then again a very tri-colour breed is the Irish Wolfhound..but i dont think that one of them would be on a commercial of any kind.. :wink: Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 Thanks for the links! I was guna ask the same thing... as for Purina, I'm PRETTY sure their pretty safe... as far as I know, but I would like to know for sure because I feed Beneful, which (lo and behold) I just found out the other day is actually part of Purina :lol: As for the dog, I'm PRETTY sure it's an Aussie. :wink: Quote
Queen Bitch Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 It's not anything like a Bernese Mt Dog. This dog was long and lean. Seriously this dog looks like a show bred Border Collie ( you know how show bred BCs have the shorter, more squared off muzzle as opposed to the pointy-er working BC muzzle) with a tannish orange head. I seriously doubt that it is an Aussie or a Sheltie, it is too long in the body, Aussies and Shelties are a bit more square eh? My first thought upon seeing said commercial was "Dam that's an unusaully marked Border Collie". Quote
Queen Bitch Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 Eureka, found its twin [img]http://www.gis.net/~shepdog/BC_Museum/Permanent/TriJaffaAdult.jpg[/img] The markings aren't refered to as tri, they are called Saddle Patterned. Quote
imported_Cassie Posted March 4, 2004 Posted March 4, 2004 [quote] I was guna ask the same thing... as for Purina, I'm PRETTY sure their pretty safe... as far as I know, but I would like to know for sure because I feed Beneful, which (lo and behold) I just found out the other day is actually part of Purina [/quote] Hazelnutmeg, I wouldn't consider Beneful a very good dog food...it has two types of sweeteners and it contains artificial colors...the dried peas and carrots it contains are way down on the list of ingredients (20 & 21st). I'd probably look into a healthier food...but, this is just my opinion & the opinion of the whole dog journal... :wink: Quote
imported_Cassie Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 I don't quite understand that myself....does that statment mean they are not going to be accepting any new border collie registrations after the date given???? I did hear that a few years ago, people who work their sheep with border collies waged a campaign against the registration of their breed by the AKC...due to the "showing eye" genetic trait...because showing eye is a genetic trait, it can be selected against, and if border collies are going to be bred for shows and as pets, breeders are going to have to get rid of the eye....a dog which shows eye can be a problem pet....breeding border collies for pets tends to winnow out those with intense working behavior...one can't have it both ways...this is the reason working-dog people prefer to keep their top-flight working dogs out of the pet and show markets. Quote
science_doc Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 okay I'm going to get flamed for this, but here goes..........Everyone on this forum wants the best food and vetrinary care for their pets, but how would you propose to discover these things without some experimentation? I would also like to point out that since P+G appears to publish their findings in scientific publications do you all think that all the other "no test" companies ignore the benefit of that research and don't read the article becuase they don't want to test on animals. NO, the answer to that is they don't want to spend the money to make the best food possible. Now for the other side of the coin....Where you aware that P+G sponsored(i.e. discovered, developed, and FUNDED) a major multi-center trial of an animal testing alternative to a barbaric test call the "Draize test". EVERY component of anything you have ever bought in your entire life has been used in this test. IT MUST BE TESTED. That way when your 3 year old child pours his shampoo in his eyes it won't burn them right out of his head. I'm sorry, but everything is tested this way. Products that claim they were not animal tested simpley use a mix of previously tested components and then they can say "our formula was never tested on animals", but I can gaurantee you that every single ingredient WAS TESTED. So back to the Driaze test, basically they pour things into rabbit eyes and score the dammage on a scale of established chemicals from caustic agents to water. P+G was working with Kimberly Clark on this test about 5 years ago and I know because I was one of the scientist hired to test the alternative. You'll be happy to know the alternative used cultured cells rather than live animals. These types of test are being developed all the time, but we can't make the jump overnight as much as we would all like to. Just so you know the costs of animal testing are absoultely astronomical so I can assure you that no one is doing these tests for fun their probably just trying to find the best food for your pets. As always I am more than willing to discuss this subject, but please be kind........... Quote
Guest Mutts4Me Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 [quote name='hillside']It's not anything like a Bernese Mt Dog. This dog was long and lean. [/quote] I suggested the Bernese Mountain dog without having seen the commercial (still haven't seen it). Just went by the description :) Quote
science_doc Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 PETA and groups like them frequently lie about how animals are treated. By United States law the dogs must be give play time out side of their cages and if they don't the USDA would shut them down. These types of facilites are constantly inspected, again I know this from personal experience. I honestly didn't even bother to look at the links provided, because that type of propaganda on the internet is usually a waste of time........most of the time it turns out to be completely untrue or at best 1/2 true. Unfortunately the people who sneak into these facilites and "report" what is going on most likely don't even understand the basics of the experiment. One reason to cut a muscle and not stitch it up would be to test wound healing which is basically a study of how the immune system is doing. If you interfear too much with the natural healing, this would invalidate the study and then why bother doing it at all??????? The ability of the immune system to heal could be a direct reflection of the quality of a dogs/cats diet. We are trying to feed our pets the appropriate food, but without testing it's a total guess. Quote
science_doc Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 Without reading a detailed description of the study I am guessing as to why the scientists didn't want toys in the cages? Perhaps they were afraid of the toys introducing a variable that would invalidate the study. Complex studies of nutrition, behavior, and growth can be adversely affected by the introduction of too many variables. This could be something as simple as the idea that the beagles frequently used in these studies are born and raised in specific pathogen free conditions, meaning that they don't ever have exposure to common viruses and bacteria(they are bred to be lab animals). A toy rolling around in the bottom of a cage becomes a sink for these bacteria making all the dogs sick and invalidating the study and perhaps killing the dogs? Really to get valuable data from these types of study the experienc/history of each test subject is usually as similar as possible. This is why I can never understand who in the world buys dogs from animal shelters for experimentation.......I don't understand how they can validate the data with all those variable genetic backgrounds, environmental exposures, etc. Quote
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