Guest Anonymous Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 sorry. not ALL guests are bad, just some of them are jerks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 [quote name='Anonymous']I think you are all puppy millers. WHY DO YOU NEED THE LITTER SIZE? what else would you need the litter size for?[/quote]\ Guest, there is no NEED for litter size. Just curiosity. You are as bad as those who immediately condemn pitts.....prejudice. You are too busy pre-judging people to realize that some times WE JUST WANT TO KNOW information on a breed and are NOT going to put that information to ill use. I'm sorry you can't see past that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefeathers! Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 Ooohhhh, I can't believe this whole thread started with Lhasa Apsos. It just only happens to be my most favoritest breed in the geegolly whoooooole wide world. I adore them. They aren't just the cute, fuzzledy happy dogs that similar looking Shih Tzus are, but do tend to be a bit stand-offish and pick and choose their friends carefully. They should not be openly snappy and antagonistic, but should, instead, be wary of strangers and aware of their environment. Unfortunately, as with any breed that gains popularity, they are being mass produced and poorly bred so that many Lhasas are indeed snappy and aggressive. That's poor breeding and should not be typical of the breed. Cynical and wary, yes, but not outright snappy. How sad to have that happen to such a wonderful breed. They make excellent inside watch dogs as they are very alert and have an unbelievably keen sense of hearing. They are quick to sound the alarm at the first sign that something isn't quite right. I saw someone mention that they originated in Tibet, but did you know they were originally used as indoor palace guards? Of course, that's if anything got past the Tibetan Mastiffs that were outside! They were also believed by the monks of Tibet to be able to carry the souls of the deceased. Religious rituals included Lhasas. They were given as gifts to royalty (I believe). They are also known to have an amazing lifespan and live to a very ripe ol' age. I have eight dogs including two Lhasa Apsos... one in a short clip and one in full coat. They do require very diligent grooming. I don't show them, or breed them (they are not show quality dogs, anyway). They are strictly companions (both spayed and neutered, of course, but then so are ALL my dogs :D ). I'm just so tickled that this thread recognized my favorite breed... what a pick-me-up for such a rotten couple of days I've had. 8) Sorry to weigh in so late on the Lhasa thing, but I just saw this thread. :oops: Here's my Lhasa girl! [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwAAABUa3KYEC!izW5p9mWZ8v*F8I!pJ6IUaOE*GiipVu7RhniHyI2D7v5LjJpZQqh4XYV37uxXHYuMK4xNWA2SGCN1qKblsiWTbwiLS!Lw/Missyagain.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 I read a joke about them being palace guards that they barked and woke up the big dog :D Aurora Thats a cute puppy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 This is great! :lol: I love getting info on a breed from someone who has one! This was such a wonderful idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 wait a sec. which breed are we doing now??? :-? :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 Horsefeathers, Thanks for your input, that was interesting, glad you all like it Roo :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 ok been to the breeds section, an aberdeen is a scottish terrier, so that can wait till s. we will go from the breeds list alphabetically, one A then one B etc So we will start with the Affenpincher Ok off you go. Roo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 K, Go in the gallery and go to "A" Breeds its the third one! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 Yeah it doesn't have any info thoguh! It's just a pic silly K!! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 Nope, No cheater here! I live life fairly! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 yup, yup, yup, yup, yup, yup, yup, yup, yup!!!! Tee Hee Tee Hee.. Beagle is gonna come back and I'm gonna be so ahead of her she wont know what to do! LOL :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 So am I and Itrying to catch up to you,,,but this way it sure isn't gonna work!! LOL :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 How about searching for websites about this breed ? or find a breed standard for them that will tell you a bit about the characteristics of the breed and about the temperament, also it will tell you its size, how it swhould look and move. You will have to search some more to find hereditary problems. Have fun. Roo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 This is soo FUNNY! Roo is gonna get mad...I'm gonna make a post in NDR..the new one! and its gonna say Jibber Jabber....ok go in there!! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 14, 2002 Share Posted July 14, 2002 ~ AFFENPINSCHER ~ " Monkey Terrier" Description: Affenpinschers are the smallest of the pinschers and schnauzers. They are a well balanced, little, wiry-haired terrier-like toy dog whose intelligence and demeanor make them a good house pet. A comical face earned them their name. In Germany the name means "monkey-like terrier." In France the Affenpinscher is described as the "diablotin moustachu" or the "moustached little devil." Extremely intelligent and affection with people their naturally scruffy-looks makes them appealing. Height: 10 inches Weight: 7 - 8 lbs. Colors: Preferable black, but gray shading is permissible. Coat: Rough and thick. Temperament: Alert, quite, inquisitive and non-argumentative. With Children: Yes, will get along well with children but is not recommended for families with small children. With Pets: Yes Special Skills: Vermin destroyer, watchdog, and family pet. Watch-dog: Very High Guard-dog: Very Low Care and Exercise: Brushing two to three times a week. Ear, tooth, and nail care are required weekly. Requires very little exercise. Walks or access to a secured yard where he can play for hours. Training: Obedience training should begin at a very early age. Learning Rate: Medium - High Activity: Very High Living Environment: Apartment or country, great companion for people with limited physical activity. Health Issues: Usually very healthy. Good grooming will prevent skin and coat problems. He has fine bones and should never jump off of furniture. Special care for his teeth. Susceptible to eye ulcers and infections. Life Span: 10 - 12 Years Litter Size: 2 - 3 Country of Origin: Germany History: Little is know about the origins of the Affenpinschers. He can be traced back to the 1600, though some say he is an ancestor of the Brussels Griffon. He was once a prized possession of royalty and made his way into a few paintings by Old Masters. First Registered by the AKC: 1936 AKC Group: Toy Group Class: Toy Registries: AKC, ANKC, CKC, FCI (Group 2), KC,(GB), UKC Owning The Affenpinscher requires firm but loving guidance, for it can be obstinate. The Affenpinscher's coat should be brushed several times a week. It is relatively easy to learn how to trim the dog around the feet, ears, and tail with scissors to keep him looking neat. The Affenpinscher is an alert, fearless and inquisitive dog. Did You Know The Affenpinscher is one of the most ancient of Toy dogs & originated in Europe. They are characterized by their monkeyish expression. The Affenpinscher shows great loyalty and affection toward its masters and friends. The Affenpinscher was admitted to the American Kennel Club's Stud Book in 1936. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 ok heres a bit more. Bite: should be slightly undershot, tongue should not protrude. Birth weight: 3 to 5 oz common to caesareans. Average litter 3 (sorry guest) congenital faults. cleft palate,waterlogged puppies,patella luxation. I will see what else i can find later Roo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 Cant you lot find any more info :o I will keep looking, but i am not going to play on my own. Roo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 I think its a great idea Roo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 "Frequently Asked Aquestions Affen-What? Affenpinscher (af-en-pin-cher) Do they come in colors other than black? Yes. Affens can be black, silver, greay, black and tan, or red. Do they require alot of grooming? Ideally, no. The coat is a wirey, terrier-type that does not require frequent brushing or bathing. However, they do need to be "stripped" to maintain a healthy coat. This is an easy skill to master. It involves pulling the dead, dull hair out...leaving shiny new hair behind. The more dilligent you are about keeping your Affen stripped, the less shedding you'll have to deal with. How are they with children? Depends. I have an Affen who loves children, and another who is less than fond of them. I think it depends on what they were raised with, and possibly if they've had a bad experience. (i.e. being dropped by a child) C'mon, they're a Toy dog. How sturdy could they be? Very. Affens are a medium boned breed, and very sturdy. Not to say you should encourage heavy rough-housing, but a few tumbles never stopped a determined Affen." Another quote from the same site. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 YES! I'm up to TWO paws! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 [quote name='gigishiba']"Frequently Asked Aquestions Affen-What? Affenpinscher (af-en-pin-cher) Do they come in colors other than black? Yes. Affens can be black, silver, greay, black and tan, or red. Do they require alot of grooming? Ideally, no. The coat is a wirey, terrier-type that does not require frequent brushing or bathing. However, they do need to be "stripped" to maintain a healthy coat. This is an easy skill to master. It involves pulling the dead, dull hair out...leaving shiny new hair behind. The more dilligent you are about keeping your Affen stripped, the less shedding you'll have to deal with. How are they with children? Depends. I have an Affen who loves children, and another who is less than fond of them. I think it depends on what they were raised with, and possibly if they've had a bad experience. (i.e. being dropped by a child) C'mon, they're a Toy dog. How sturdy could they be? Very. Affens are a medium boned breed, and very sturdy. Not to say you should encourage heavy rough-housing, but a few tumbles never stopped a determined Affen." Another quote from the same site. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/quote] You do know its not polite to rip information off of a site without listing the site and crediting the author? Not to mention its probably copyright infringement? Plus be very careful about believing the standards information is true of a whole breed as its really only a description of an ideal and just like those 35 pound Poms I've seen there are 25 pound Affenpinschers ! And one more thing there is no such thing as a 'hypoallergenic' dog. Oh and anasarca is not a problem in this particular breed despite the listing copied but hip displasia is a serious problem. When you have an odd breed I think you bone up on other odd breeds just to be able to talk with other owners ;-) And the breed needs LOTS of exercise and is very active based on the show ones I have met. Don't believe everything you read on the net about a breed - people put absolute hogwash up on the net using information stolen from books that are completely idiotic written by people who have never seen many of the breeds they write about never mind ever speaking to a breeder or owner of the breed! :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 15, 2002 Share Posted July 15, 2002 [quote name='Anonymous'][quote name='gigishiba']"Frequently Asked Aquestions Affen-What? Affenpinscher (af-en-pin-cher) Do they come in colors other than black? Yes. Affens can be black, silver, greay, black and tan, or red. Do they require alot of grooming? Ideally, no. The coat is a wirey, terrier-type that does not require frequent brushing or bathing. However, they do need to be "stripped" to maintain a healthy coat. This is an easy skill to master. It involves pulling the dead, dull hair out...leaving shiny new hair behind. The more dilligent you are about keeping your Affen stripped, the less shedding you'll have to deal with. How are they with children? Depends. I have an Affen who loves children, and another who is less than fond of them. I think it depends on what they were raised with, and possibly if they've had a bad experience. (i.e. being dropped by a child) C'mon, they're a Toy dog. How sturdy could they be? Very. Affens are a medium boned breed, and very sturdy. Not to say you should encourage heavy rough-housing, but a few tumbles never stopped a determined Affen." Another quote from the same site. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/quote] You do know its not polite to rip information off of a site without listing the site and crediting the author? Not to mention its probably copyright infringement? Plus be very careful about believing the standards information is true of a whole breed as its really only a description of an ideal and just like those 35 pound Poms I've seen there are 25 pound Affenpinschers ! And one more thing there is no such thing as a 'hypoallergenic' dog. Oh and anasarca is not a problem in this particular breed despite the listing copied but hip displasia is a serious problem. When you have an odd breed I think you bone up on other odd breeds just to be able to talk with other owners ;-) And the breed needs LOTS of exercise and is very active based on the show ones I have met. Don't believe everything you read on the net about a breed - people put absolute hogwash up on the net using information stolen from books that are completely idiotic written by people who have never seen many of the breeds they write about never mind ever speaking to a breeder or owner of the breed! :roll:[/quote] Kimberly Andresen author [url]http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/breeds/affenpinschers.html[/url] Happy now? :evil: No, I don't believe everything I read on the net. I was just adding information I found on the net about the breed, which is what this topic is about. I know nothing about this breed, there for am not a resource for info. When I want info on a breed, I check the AKC website first, and then go from there....but it doesn't mean I believe everything I read. Sorry, I just don't take it lightly when someone says the things you did to me. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has copy and pasted things from other sites.....with out the web address and authors name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 [b][i]Affenpinscher Anasarca "Walrus" or "Rubber" puppies Cleft Palate Median fissures due to non-closure of bones. Environmental and/or genetic factors may be involved Cushing's disease Hyperadrenalcorticism Elongated Soft Palate Keratoconjunctivitis sicca Dry eye Decreased tear production Legg-Perthes disease Avascular necrosis of the femoral head. Oligodontia Missing teeth Patella luxation Medial or lateral Most common are medial, accompanied by tibial rotation on the long axis, bending of the distal end of the femoral shaft and shallow femoral trochlea. Lameness at 4-6 months of age Proposed are recessive polygenic and multi-focal inheritance Patent ductus arteriosus Persistence and non-closure of ductus arteriosus between aorta and pulmonary artery with left to right shunt [/i][/b] Here is the link to the above information [url]www.Petdoc.ws[/url] If you want to write this person and disagree with him or add to his list guest he has an email link also on the page. However I have found several places and information on Affens. and Hip dysplasia.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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