bullygirl29532

No one is all good or bad;just like no rule is all good or bad. at best life is a compromise w/ both sides feeling like they lost something in the bargin. i wouldn't mind having a sign in my window saying BEWARE PITBULL ON PREMISES. my gramma, who lives in Newark NJ has a sign in her window BEWARE OF DOG and she owns a malties (sp?). i think all dogs should be microchipped or tattoed, for any number of reason. i think all dogs and dog ownersshould take classes. And if the state of new jersey needs help finding out which dog is a bully dog i'll gladly email them my pit bull test. have you guys seen that one? it's great it really helps you pick the bully out of the bunch.

This is a post from my other forum WORKING PITBULLS @ yahoo. I suspect my more eloquent brethren will have something to say. This is a forward... and here is the address to which you need to send your response and issues to: [email][email protected][/email] <[email protected]> Thank you for your email to my office regarding my bill A2906, "Responsible Pit Bull Ownership Licensing Act." An increasing body of anecdotal evidence indicates that more and more New Jersey communities are encountering instances in which dangerous and vicious dogs attack, maul, or even kill unarmed and unwary citizens. Victims have included children and the elderly. In several instances, the attacking dogs turned on their owners or their families. In other cases, police have had to intervene by shooting dogs that have threatened -- even chased -- residents in their neighborhoods. These incidents of canine terror have occurred in all regions of the state. And while they do not constitute an epidemic, they point to an alarming trend that can no longer be ignored by municipal officials and state policy makers. It is becoming painfully obvious that New Jersey's dog ownership laws need to be reevaluated and changed to deal with the alarming reality of strong, potentially vicious dogs being kept by individuals who are ill-prepared or ill-suited for such a demanding responsibility. The need for such action was most recently demonstrated by the fatal mauling of an elderly grandmother in Garfield, Bergen County. Julia Mazziotto, 80, died on December 9 in the home where she had lived for 50 years, her body riddled with deep cuts after being repeatedly clawed and bitten by her granddaughter's two pit bulls. An autopsy revealed the victim suffered an extreme loss of blood after her scalp, back and neck were torn apart in the vicious attack. While the Garfield dog-attack may have been the most horrific, there have been dozens of other cases in other New Jersey communities. On two separate occasions this fall, police in Bridgeton had to shoot pit bulls that had threatened officers and residents. Also this fall, a 10-year-old Salem girl needed 20 stitches to close bites from her thigh to her ankle after she was knocked to the ground by two pit bulls that were allowed to roam free in her neighborhood. And in Willingboro, a middle-aged couple was suddenly attacked by two pit bulls they had owned for several months. The husband was bitten so severely he had to be admitted to intensive care at a South Jersey hospital. It's unclear what may have triggered these incidents. But the reasons for these attacks hardly matter. The real issue is how they add up to an undeniable, oft-repeated pattern, one that calls into question whether the state's dog-ownership laws ensure the public's safety when big, powerful dogs are kept in the wrong environment or are possessed by irresponsible individuals. In New Jersey, the time has come to abandon the notion that everybody has the wherewithal, time, and temperament to care for a challenging breed such as a pit bull. Responding to the wave of dog mauling incidents, I recently crafted legislation that would better enable municipalities to regulate potentially lethal dogs before they attack anyone. My bill (A-2906) would allow local governing bodies to enact public safety ordinances requiring that special licenses be issued for individuals who seek to own, keep, or harbor pit bulls, pit-bull-type dogs, or Rottweilers. According to a recent study by the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, pit bulls and Rottweilers account for more than 60 percent of all deaths resulting from dog attacks. My legislation would restrict criminals, minors, and convicted animal abusers from owning such potentially dangerous dogs. It also would enable municipalities to prescribe standards for the restraint, housing and care of these dogs. For example, pit bull owners would need to display warning signs on the premises where their dogs are kept. The dogs could run loose only in well-constructed, municipally inspected fenced-in areas. To take the dog off-premises, owners would need to securely muzzle and leash their animals. Violators would risk license suspension or revocation and fines up to $1,000 for each day they are in violation. The bill also would enable municipalities to seize and impound ferocious dogs that are not being properly kept by owners. Current dog owners would be protected through a grandfather clause in the bill. Finally, municipalities could waive the licensing requirements and one-time registration fee for owners who complete a recognized obedience-training program with their dogs. This bill would not empower municipalities to enact breed-specific dog bans. In fact, only communities where local law enforcement authorities have documented a problem to exist could employ the bill's special licensing and ownership standards. Unlike breed-specific laws enacted in other states, this measure sets a new regulatory model for controlling problem dogs. The intent here is to give local authorities a new tool to ensure that ill-tempered, immature, incapable, or uncaring individuals do not own potentially lethal dogs. This bill respects the fact that pit bulls, pit-bull-type dogs, and Rottweilers can make very good pets. Moreover, this measure does not impose draconian restrictions, like limits on how far an owner and dog may walk from their home. Nor does it allow municipalities to enact outrageous regulations that might otherwise discourage dog ownership. This is a public safety initiative, a preemptive strike against the wave of dog violence that has generated alarming headlines in recent months. This measure seeks to save lives by fostering responsible ownership of the breeds that are most likely to cause human deaths. In the most densely populated state in the country, this bill recognizes that some people are not suited to be every dog's best friend. Sincerely, Assemblyman John J. Burzichelli

here's one from the florence morning news sunday paper. MOVING SALE: PIT BULL PUPS REG.,TOP BLOOD LINES $350 13MO PROSPECTS $600 BY APPT. (insert phone #) people make me sick. like they're selling a bookcase.

Wow BB aka ilovelabs, i just wanted to say that for someone only 16 you have a really good head on your shoulders. PM mewhen you can log in, i use to live in new england and would love to talk w/ a fellow "tree-hugger" :lol: to hear about all the wonderful snow you guys are getting.

I agree K they haven't shown my reply. I'm not as eloquent as everyone (you) else but i put my two cents in.

i emailed the pit bull people and here is the reply igot, figured i'd give them a shot @ telling there side of the story. Thank you for your concern. We had no intention on breeding her this old. We were not able to have her spayed yet, and an inconsiderate relative bred her while we left her in their care. This was done without our knowledge or consent, and we were not even told about it until we figured out she was pregnant and confronted them. Yes, I agree with you! Very cruel! Also inconsiderate. I do not envy her discomfort at this age in carrying a litter of pups, nor am i looking forward to the birth and care of the pups during an already busy holiday season. I just wanted to respond to you to ease your concerns that we are not one of the irresponsible backyard breeders/pet owners and care very much for our pets. We do have jobs, and this is not to make a quick buck, we hoped to offset some veterinary bills as we are concerned for her health in having puppies at her age. Hope you have a happy holiday! not that it matters but it might help some of us sleep @ night.

oh hobbit how sad. how is guy hanging in there?

K, you are always filled with such great ideas and info. Does anyone know if styrofoam is harmful for a dog? lecter just ate a styrofoam cup.

I feel used he didn't want to talk to me, and here i ws w/ my hopes all up.

god that dog looks sad, not like she "loves being tied up outside all day"

I was wondering if you mentioned to the breed that you were planning to mate her w/ ben?

I can only pick one?????? ugh how hard! okay it would have to be the fact that lecter can leap like an antelope. he can clear a 3ft fence w/ a running start no problem. or when i get home from work and let him out of the crate his standing jump is more than enough to get your attention. He goes bounding around like a maniac and it just cracks me up.

I totally agree sasha. every adopted animal should be fixed but unfortunatly we don't live in a perfect world. Oh by the way i have seen a bitch give birth to only one pup. i was given a chow once cause she wsa pregnant. gave birth to one little golden red retriever X chow.

Follow the advice given hear but don't take peoples other comments to heart , they just want whats in the best intrest of the boy. all new mothers need breaks from their babies and make sue to give her alot of attention and praise. And group believe it or not, not all states make a shelter spay. here in SC if you adopt an animal you must fix it and if you don't it's a $200 fine if they catch you. Mostly only no kill shelters like the one i voleenter at fix an animal before adoption.

I have a general question. My bud Lec, whom we all assume to be full blooded APBT, has a cowlick the runs from his ears down both sides of his neck. I have never seen APBT w/ this, a Dobe named Ariel i knew had this but thats the only dog i've seen w/ a ridge. (not counting those pretty RR) Anyone ever encounter this?

Our story goes : We had recently moved to SC and were getting settled into a new house, when a co-worker of mine had told me she rescued a pit from the local shelter. She emailed me his pics and he was just the cutest little guy about 6months old. All black with a white star on his chest, white brushed around his collar line, and the biggest bat ears i've seen. So a couple of weeks pass and she starts telling me how her rat terrier is attacking him, really make it hard for him to settle in, so she was looking for a new home for Lecter. I go to try to see him cause he's hiding under the bed, when i got him to come out, you could see alot of scars on him and a bald patch on his back that looked like he was dragged on cement. This is how they got him from the shelter, their rat didn't do it but he was the sweetest boy. followed the few basic commands i gave him and when i sat on the ground he crawled into my lap and started to chew on my ear i knew he was my dog. four mouths later he's alot bigger, but still my bully boy. :D i only wish i knew what his life was like before the shelter cause he has a lot of scars for such a young guy.

BenSam as for your neighbor :o :o :o :o :o :o thats all i can fathom right now.

Your right Goo. One should believe everything on tv or anywhere else for that matter i was just trying to contribute. as for the off topic shark thing it doesn't have to be both gills just which ever one you can reach. :wink:

I agree w/ eric find out about your areas laws and while your researching the dog laws take them to small claims court for the fence. Can we say Judge Judy? and with the money you get for the property damage erect a nice big stockade privacy fence. Hopefully it would help to protect your dog from the assisination attempts. i've dealt w/ unhappy people before and here's the deal nothing you do will make them happy. That's what makes them happy being miserable. i once had a neighbor in the building behind me that complained she could hear my alarm going off @ 7: 30 am and it made her mad cause she had a hang over...well sorry some of us have to work.

Sorry about the bear thing it has to be a steep hill. more than a 30 degree angle for them to fall.

Being i watch alot of animal shows and those ones about if animals attack I'll tell you what i've learned. If a dog attackes punch it in the nose: the reason being is it's the most sensitive part or you could try to gouge out the eyes but i belive punching it is the most effective way. If you encounter a bear back away slowly if the bear charges and KEEPS coming after you ( most bears charge just to make their point but they don't chase) Run or scramble down a hill or cliff side. since bears are bottom heavy they'll go A** over tea kettle giving you enough time to get away. DO NOT CLIMB A TREE. as for sharks grab them by the gills, those 3 or 4 slots behind the head. they are fish and will not be able to breath Don't kick a shark in the under belly cause he might puke on you w/ o letting you go. So that is what i have gathered from various sources, such as a vermont park ranger, steve irwin (the crock guy), and the FX network But in the case of a polar bear, hang it up cause if they want you, your lunch.

These are all great ideas, i'll give them a try this weekend. But i've never heard of building a dogs confidence. could you give me some leads on how i could go about doing this? Book, websites, any thing would help. We do basic training but he can't even do a stay w/ me out of sight, i'm a liar i take 4 steps away and he breaks a stay command. Thanks for all the helpful feed back.

Just to explain myself i am against breed discrimination and i am against this bill. but i'm tired of pit bulls getting a bad rep for doing what they love and that is pleasing their owner. Yes this bill is extreme and it won't pass or be enforced but at least they are trying to control who can own a pit bull. Alot of the bill is flawed due to health reasons or public interpertion of what a pit is. i don't want to seem like a nazi pit hater.......i want to protect this breed more than anyother i have ever encountered for many reasons. To own one is to love them all. but if idiots want to fear a 40 lbs and up lap dog than let them get licked to death by a pack to find out that this "beast of a man killer" is really the most tender hearted of dogs. i think i've said my peace.

[quote name='"Horsefeathers!"']Ok, bullygirl, define "Pit Bull." I don't know if you read this legislation thoroughly, but some points are definitely very flawed. Answer me these, please... - yes i did indeed read it with out skipping over the big words. *Definition and breed standard of Pit Bull (so as to determine who has one illegally)? *Who will be in charge of determining this breed standard to be used in enforcement since they are talking about a combination of breeds? - the same people the judge all breeds ie: animal control, vets, and any other person competent enought to tell a bully dog from an ankle biter. *Justification for making any pet owner PROVE their dog is NOT a Pit Bull --(shouldn't the burden of proof fall on the accuser as in proving it IS a Pit Bull)?- Yes i agree w/ you on that *What would be considered acceptable proof that a dog of unknown parentage is NOT a Pit Bull? -common sense... or maybe i'm giving the general population to much credit *Define Pit Bull [u]type[/u]? A dog similar in looks? Temperament? Size? *Who gets to decide if a dog is "typey" enough to qualify as Pit Bull-ish? *Define "carried out properly" -1st it gets officials involved and if a dog is removed it is to be placed in a no kill shelter which is a step in the right direction @ least said dog would not be pts. -2nd it would not allow punks and would be thugs to roam the streets with dogs trained to be dangerous... not their fault, but in this world it's a fact. -3rd it would stop all the byb of bully dogs in NJ something i would think most people would be for. -4th maybe i didn't make it clear but i think this law should be toned down and applied to all dogs in NJ. *Long haired Pit Bulls?! (Sorry, I'm still stuck on that) --many mixed pits come w/ long hair. Reading through the mumbo jumbo of licensing requirements, it's clear that they are basically trying to outlaw anything even remotely resembling a Pit Bull by making it virtually impossible to own one. -Good !! not everyone should Using your logic, how do you feel about people who own Akitas, German Shepherds, Chows, Dobermans, Rotties, and the breeds you mentioned, yourself? - once again in New jersey i believeall dogs should be licenced and kept tabs on. their feral dog situation is outof control due mostly to people getting tired of the animal and dropping it off @ a state park where they get shot by a game warden. finally the little frilly foo foo lap dogs (hey, they have teeth, too, and since they will the the only ones left at this point, statistically, they will be the only ones biting people). -hate to tell ya this but the little ones bite more than the big ones. people let their foo foo little poodles and pomes prance and destroy in their wake just because they're little. wat is wrong with enforcement of existing laws or tougher penalties? If they can't do their jobs now and enforce the laws already on the books, how are they going to handle this effectively and efficiently? - To my knowledge they are doing their jobs to the best of their ability but there is such a thing as odds to great.

I know some won't agree w/ me but... I think this is a great idea for New jersey. I use to live there and in many parts of that state owning a pit bull is a status symbol. people fight these dogs behind project in Newark and Camden. they use pits to terrify their landlords and neighbors into silence. they mistreat and abuse these good hearted creatures by feeding them gunpowder w. raw meat...i've seen all these things happen and alot more. Not just to pits but boxers, rotties, mastiffs and shepards. i think this law sould apply to all dog owners in this state. owning a gun is not a simple thing in NJ and having a dog that could cause as much damage shouldn't be either. and this insures the proper upkeep and maintence for a breed w/ a bad rep. May be it goes to far in some respects but if carried out properly it could be a good thing.