Hobbit

I sent the guy a scathing email. It won't help, but I got it off my chest!

Maddog you are right, to an extent. Sometimes there isn't any time to drive to the owners house, retrieve him back to your place for HIM to call off HIS dog. That all surrounds IF the owner is at home. The dog is in the pasture, killing goats, he won't stop --- no other way, but to kill the dog. Granted, in Shady's situation, the dog called off. Many situations, the dog ignores you because he is focused on his prey (which are YOUR goats/sheep, calves). I'm afraid my anger would have overridden any common sense or compassion in Shady's situation.

RR you are right. I think a forced fast is not good for a dog. Dog's know when it's the right time to fast.....and many do fast for various reasons.

Shady -- take it from someone who knows your feeling about goats, this was a terrible thing to happen. I love dogs like nothing else in this world, but if a dog was killing one of my livestock --- and we love and cherish ours --- I would kill the dog immediately. Yep, it wasn't his fault, it was his owners for not keeping him up -- but, too late. And I'm sure it wouldn't be the dog's fault the next time he done it or the time after that, too. We live in the middle of nowhere, neighbors are not close. If their dog is just merely cutting across the pasture, not bothering the stock, that's different. But to have one killing, that's a death sentence. I suspect I'll get lots of hate posts, but if you haven't lived in the country, raised livestock, pulled the calf or goat, spent many, many days bottle feeding.....all to have a dog viciously take it's life......then you have no idea what I'm talking about.

[quote name='Laduendas']I am to busy to log in but I would like to reply. Yes I would have jumped in and broken the fight up but your right I know the breed she does not. [color=red][b]I agree with Carol -- you still disgust me with you lack of knowledge on such a volatile breed. YOU know YOUR dogs. How can YOU know EVERY single APBT's attitude that walks this earth. Giving advice such as this to just walk up to a dog, especially an APBT, that has prey in his mouth and try to TAKE THAT PREY AWAY FROM HIM. He may have been *trained* to hunt, I doubt seriously of this, more like hunt down and tear up the game before the owner could arrive, but how is Shady supposed to know that he just wasn't having a tasty snack. You can argue all day -- YOU DO NOT KNOW THIS. NOT every dog is going to act like yours. [/b][/color] If I was harsh I am sorry but the comments about the dog attacking a child made me very angry . [b][color=darkred]Maybe your dogs would never attack a child. There has been PROOF that some APBT, as well as other breeds, ARE human aggressive. To say that an APBT, as a breed, are NOT human aggressive is showing ignorance of the breed and of the unethical breeders. Time to take those rose colored glasses off and see these people for what they are --- bad breeders. I commend you for not breeding human aggressive dogs. But some people do not care if they are human aggressive or not --- they just breed. AND there are countless others that WANT human aggressive APBT's to keep law enforcement out of their drug labs. [/color][/b] Apbt's are animal Agressive But those same dogs can be very reliable and human friendly meaning just because it attacked an animal does not mean it will go out and attack a child. [b][color=red]Redirected aggression does occur and very frequently. Shady was not and is not the owner of this dog. She did not know him, nor did he know her. He could have easily turned on her. [/color][/b] You can tell the difference between a child and an animal right? Well a dog who has far better senses than us can tell as well. But you are also right I do not know this particular dog or if it is even truly an Apbt or not.I wrote without thinking it true. [b][color=darkred]I get tired of people not taking the responsibility of their dogs, especially when it's a volatile breed. So to say that YOU doubt it was an APBT is ridiculous. It's people like you that refuse to admit that someone, somewhere may have just badly bred an APBT. Other breeds have the same problem, not picking on the Bully owners. I have ACD's and I know there are some very, very bad bred ones that will kill a goat and bite a human in a heart beat. I'm not going to say that they won't. They will ---- just like some APBT's will.[/color][/b] As for taking the animal to the vet,Well If I was so intent in taking the owner of the dog to court then yes I would have taken the animal to the vet as I would need to proof in court that the animal died as a result of the dog attack. How can you prove in court that your goat would not have lived had you not shot it and taken it to the vet instead? [color=red][b]You obviously don't have, nor have ever had goats. If the throat is laying on the ground, you can pretty much decide for yourself that it's not going to make. It was the humane thing to do in putting the goat down. Their cries are like a baby crying --- something that you would not understand. AND some people live many, many miles from the nearest vet (like 80 miles). It doesn't matter if the goat died or was put to sleep --- the DOG STILL ATTACKED THE GOAT. That is the bottom line. I don't care if the dog only pulled his ear off --- he still, without a second thought, ATTACKED the goat. She doesn't have to prove the goat would have died, only that the dog attacked it, period.[/b][/color] I agree it is the dog owners fault but killing the dog is not the answer. Talk to your neighbor but don't act histerical and call his dog a killer,get to know the dog before you condemm it and have it killed. [b][color=darkred]The unwritten law in the country concerning livestock is that if a dog is in YOUR pasture, KILLING YOUR livestock ---- it's a death sentence. I would have shot that dog without a second thought. I dont' want to meet him or have tea or chat about the weather. HE killed one my goats (we make a living off our goats and many are pets). There are NO second chances when it comes to livestock. The owner should have been responsible in the first place. IF and I use that lightly, IF he was trained as a catch dog, ALL they do is CATCH, they don't KILL or chew up the game. I know, we use to hunt with dogs. Hunted feral hogs that were tearing up the pasture. This is NOT a well trained hunting dog. A well trained hunting dog (hog dog) doesn't tear up the game, unless that is what he's been trained to do. Some are trained to kill the game, MOST are NOT.[/color][/b] To answer your question: Catch dogs that are used to hunt Wild boar are used only to Catch the animal they are not trained to kill it just to hold it so that the hunter can get close enough to kill or capture it. The hunter does the actual killing. Bay dogs are used to find the animal and keep it there by sorrounding it without catching it usually you would use hounds for that and then once it is ayed you would bring in the catch dog and allow it to catch the animal then you(the hunter) would move in when your dog had a good hold and kill the animal. But it depends on what your hunting. For example you would not want to use a catch dog on a mountain lion as the mountain lion would over power the dog you would just use Baydogs and then use your gun.[/quote]

[quote name='Malamum']Gooeydog definatley has the right idea, though Indy actually puts it into action him self. His squeakers only last about an hour or two then he comes to me with the toy in his mouth biting it as hard and as fast as he can and looking at me as if to say "Why won't it squeak anymore?"[/quote] OH YEAH!! It's like, "Fix it please". I feel bad that I can't (smiling to myself)...heehee

The shame...oh the shame....it's come down to "Squeaky Assassination". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I got the dreaded "X"!

MANY of these tonight...... :drinking: :drinking: :lol:

:rofl:

Yeeeeesssss, it does sound familar. The continual, NON-stop, no breaths taken, SQUEAK! Aaaauuugggghhhh. How do keep the his favorite "SQUEAKY toy from hell" away from him? He searchs the ENTIRE house and then lays his head on your lap with a very, very, mournful look......"I've lost my squeaky...can you help me find it?" :roll: ....oh, alright......I buried it on the back 40 acres, 6 foot in the dirt, then poured concrete on top of it, filled in the soil and then piled hugh rocks on top! AND put a cross on top, so it can NOT come back to life ......but, I'll go dig it up.....with my bare hands......oh the pain...... Um...yeah...feel your pain.

That wasn't it. Never mind, it could have been from another post. I wasn't asking for me, just asking in general. Thanks anyway.

[quote name='alicat613 lazy'][quote name='Hobbit']Care to post the location of the original thread, alicat?[/quote] I think it's somewhere in care or health. I didn't post the thread. If I find it I'll post it for you. Didn't you find it yourself though and isn't that why you posted this? Or am I just confused? :lol:[/quote] No, everything that was posted prior to when the nation wide worm hit and several of us were locked out ----- has been deleted. Someone had posted a natural deworming recipe. It was on that thread, or another one.....I can't remember.

Boomer, that was posted almost a year ago. She may not be here any longer.

[quote name='iceyshiver21']I recently lost my little Puppy to Parvo and a friend I know is loseing pups because of it too. The pups are at the vets. But I find that whenever a certin illness pops up, I want to know about it. I know that it is a virus mostly hard on puppies, it gets into there system and and attacks cells. I also know that they need lots of water to keep from getting dyhdrated.[/quote] Do you know that puppies need vaccinations??

Hum....I see. You can ask the butcher at your favorite grocery store for chicken backs. Sometimes, they are more than happy to help out. You can get them in volume, if you have the place to store them.

She is clueless. Her dogs are not tested. And BFD if she's a vet tech. :roll: and her dogs are champions, that doesn't make any difference when it comes to a genetic disorder. She thinks they *just come down with it* and doesn't have a clue that it's genetic!

Just curious....did this holistic person give pros and cons of the barf diet, or just the pros?

If a dog touches soil, then he should be on a regular deworming schedule. Parasites (internal ones) are soil borne, with the exception of tapeworms and heartworms (which are vectored by fleas and mosquitos, respectively). Unless your dog lives in a glass bubble, he's going to pick up parasites at some point.

Care to post the location of the original thread, alicat?

Regardless of what some people will say --- CHICKEN BONES DO SPLINTER ---- raw and cooked. Just keep this in mind. I have seen many, many radiographs (x-rays) where the dog was on the raw barf diet and was being fed raw chicken with bones. The bones splintered and some lodged in the intestinal tract of the dog. I just hope the processing is adequate and the chicken is free from Salmonella.

Gooey, What about a prosthesis that fit the chest, so the weight would be on the chest and not on the stump? It would have to be custom made. A saddle maker could make one out of leather, easily. It would buckle over the back to help hold it in place. A large flap of leather, looks like a shoulder holster (the back part) would fit underneath the stump and up the chest, taking in the shoulder. Understand? It could be lined with fleece, to avoid chapping.

Gooey -- good post, but sometimes I get the feeling that some of these APBT owners are thinking, "oh, that will never happen to my sweet little puppy, because I am going to raise her with love and affection and not train her to fight". If you are thinking this, you have no idea of what's to come. Genetics are the ruling factor in a dogs life. You can not change their genetics (the 100's of year of breeding for certain traits) no matter what type of upbringing she/he has. You can only control the dog (to a certain extent). Another thing that really bothers me is the notion that "all" APBT make wonderful, loving, safe pets. They do not. Just like every other breed of dog ---- there are good ones and bad ones. Every dog has a unique and individual personality that is governed by his/her genetics.

I saw a Rott/Cocker Spaniel that looked like Jax. What a combination, huh? Very pretty, though.

Koolie --- the Catahoula's that were used on the ranch, years ago had lots of bite to them. They were used primarily on wild cattle and cattle that liked to fight. The Catahoula's didn't back down, but were surely rough and several of the cows had to be sutured at the end of the day. Those were dog-broke cattle by the time they were loaded in the trailers. So, dog-broke that a puppy could have moved them. They have lots of bark and bay --- something I personally don't like in a dog around cattle because it scares some cattle and stresses them out. Stress causes weight loss and too much running --- which causes weight loss. Anything that causes weight loss is not good --- especially if you are taking them to the market. Some people will argue that all the barking and baying soothes the cattle and makes them gentle, I've never seen this --- ever. The Catahoula's we used and other ranches used were of the dominant personality. They were a no-non-sense type dog when it came to working. They were not forgiving, nor were they gentle. They run in bite and run out, no working style to my liking. If you are wanting something for wild cattle or cattle that will fight --- then a Catahoula may suit you. I would not use a Catahoula on sheep --- they are too rough. Beware of the Catahoula's that have an infusion of Pit (no offense to the APBT people), for they can be extremely animal aggressive (they work wonderfully on Javalina and feral hogs). Catahoula's are excellent hog dogs. Meaning, used for hog hunting. Some will bay up the hog and wait for you....and some won't wait for you (those need a little more training). Some are used to kill the hog (not a nice picture, but it's done). The Catahoula's we used (not any longer, switched to using mostly Kelpies & ACD's) were not pet's. They were working dogs, knew their role and were very good at what they done. We just got tired of suturing cattle after they worked them. They were nice, but had no problem biting. Are you looking to add something to the Koolie? OR just want a different breed to work? As with any breed, there are good Catahoula breeders --- that breed specifically for working cattle and have the genetics to do so. I've never seen one used on sheep --- they are just too rough. You may be able to back them off the sheep, but why take a chance.