Guest Anonymous Posted March 11, 2003 Posted March 11, 2003 I am Laduenda I am having trouble posting or replying under my name. I have not responded to the one post about me as I have not been on the computer in a while. Yes I posted that on another board,Yes I was just curiose about if the people on that board ever worried about that sort of thing. Yes I post there and I have asked other questions in regards to Gameness etc.. They are just that questions.I would like to learn as much as possible about the breed I own/breed from all sides (Dogmen,Show dog enthuasiests,Pet pitbull owners, etc..) I also like to hear their points of view. It is very interesting to me as the people who are attracted to the same breed seem to vary in opinions greatly. Do I support dog fighting? Well if you call buying pups/dogs from someone who is suspected of dog fihting supporting them then yes. Do I raise,train,sell,buy dogs for fighting? No of course not!!! If I was truly a dog fighter do you really think I would have showbred dogs at all? Those are called currs to them and most if not all of them think that they should all be euthanized or called by another name. I am however interested in the history of my breed and dog fighting was a part of that in the past how better to learn about it than from people who are actually into the " Sport" or whatever you want to call it. Actually that is one of the reasons I come here so I can learn your points of views all of yours whether I agree or not. I am tired of being bashed so just get over it already. I am sure none of you will ever buy puppies from me that is fine just calm down and let me learn something you won't change my mind about everything and I won't change yours but at least we can see both sides of it. On Another note I decided to go with the Halti over the gentle leader I just went and bought one Saturday and I am starting to train him this afternoon wish me luck. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 I agree, I never really in paticular even liked Laduenda (no offence :wink: but we got off to a bad start), but I'm sick of seeing people "bash" her so to speak. I Know that know one really was like 'oh we hate you because you fight your dogs' bla bla bla, but there were ASUMPTIONS (and we all know what happens when you asume eh? :wink: ) And I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong! But it almost seems like people are actually LOOKING for something else wrong with her to blame and bash. That's just what it looks a bit like anyway... Now I think it's just great that Laduenda is finally training her dogs, and looking into the history of the breed (which she should have done BEFORE breeding if you ask me...) and asking questions. All great "Doggy People" even the great like Stanely Coren (I just love him! :lol: ) I'm sure started off somewhere, and probably even STILL ask questions! That's what learnings all about right? Quote
Luka-pop Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 [quote name='Anonymous']Do I support dog fighting? Well if you call buying pups/dogs from someone who is suspected of dog fighting supporting them then yes.[/quote] Is is just methat's questioning this? Why would you buy dogs from anybody that was suspected of that in the first place? Quote
Luka-pop Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 [quote name='HazelNutMeg']but there were ASUMPTIONS (and we all know what happens when you asume eh? :wink: )[/quote] Assume is spelled assume. That's why there's the cliche, "Don't assume, cuz you'll be making an @$$ out of u and me!" :o :D Quote
DogPaddle Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 Everything else aside; I like the halti better than the GL too. The halti has a bottom strap that keeps the muzzle loop in place and the halti also releases pressure on the muzzle quicker so the dog can tell more easily what exactly is good and what exactly is not good. But that's just my experience with them. I do hope the training goes well. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted March 12, 2003 Posted March 12, 2003 Go and look and this board and make your own elavuations Pitdogs.org. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 Well if that is Laduenda then no duh she supports dog fighting and is an active fighter herself. If its not hers then who ever it is deserves to be thrown in that "dog pit" or whatever themselves. Quote
courtnek Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 I am having issues with all of this. I dont want to be mean, but every time Laduenda posts something here, it throws everyone into a downhill spiral and arguments break out. Is she a dog fighter? I dont know, I hope not. But we have had issues in the past with her contract, her replies, etc. I believe that her posts should be sent to the administrator and a decision made as to whether to let her stay here or not. Most of us get along fine here, her posts always upset us. Am I alone in this? I will accept the majority rule. I am sorry Laduenda, but we are dog lovers completely. I appreciate your trying to learn about your breed, but some of the things you say contradict some of the other things you say. I cant honestly say I believe you.... Quote
bk_blue Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 I don't know. Nothing can be proven that Laduenda fights her dogs (and she says she doesn't, unlike Hmmm), but if it is going to cause more fighting then maybe it would be for the best... :-? Quote
courtnek Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 :D That was hedging BK...lol I meant what I said. I WILL accept the majority rule. Dont NOT disagree with me bacuase you dont want to upset me. First, I am NOT easily upset, and second, I think the majority should rule. I do customer service for a living, I'm used to being disagreed with....I just want what everyone else thinks is best. Her posts themselves dont upset me as much as the responses to them. We all seem to get caught up in prosecuting or defending her... It seems to be bringing out the bad sides in us....some people get very angry and post, and then others feel the need to defend, and post... I want to think of her as a good person who loves her dogs, but in my personal opinion her contradictory posts and replies belies that. That's my opinion. I would be interested in hearing everyone elses. Quote
DogPaddle Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 If anyone is breaking the rules of the board then the should be banned but if they are not breaking the rules they should not be banned. If someone says something inflammatory just don't reply, they will either go away or change the way they post, no reason to ban them. If we banned everyone who inspired spirited debate it might get a little dull around here, still a good place for info of course but a little debate spices things up. I suppose its up to the mods though. Quote
bk_blue Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 [quote name='DogPaddle']If anyone is breaking the rules of the board then the should be banned but if they are not breaking the rules they should not be banned. If someone says something inflammatory just don't reply, they will either go away or change the way they post, no reason to ban them. If we banned everyone who inspired spirited debate it might get a little dull around here, still a good place for info of course but a little debate spices things up. I suppose its up to the mods though.[/quote] well said- I have nothing to add to that! :D I guess the only thing is the dogfighting bit. While it is impossible to prove Laduenda fights her dogs or not, if she did indeed fight them (she denies this and you have to take her word for it I suppose) then that would be an automatic ban. I think it has been well documented particularly in the last month or so that dogfighters are not welcome. I believe K is posting some board rules in the near future; then everyone will have a clear idea on what to expect. :) Quote
behle Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 I've gotta agree with DogPaddle on this one! It would help though, to have some clear guidelines established to prevent big ugly misunderstandings from occuring! :o Quote
DogPaddle Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 I do think the deleting 6 months unused accounts is a good idea. I don't think there is much point in banning Hmmm or Laduenda. As for rules, we seem to be doing ok so if you come up with a list and we can't agree, no worries, if we can, great. Quote
courtnek Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 I'm ok with K's suggestion - I just dont want what happened before. I'll go with what everyon else wants. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted March 13, 2003 Posted March 13, 2003 I already told you it was and is me on that other board. I also answered why I asked the question and the many other questions I have asked. I was and and am still curiouse as to how they view things and what they constitute as cruelty. Do you think if I told them that I do not support dog fighting and do not fight my dogs yet I breed them that they would even answer me? I think not. They are against anyone breeding any untested(un fought) Apbt's and they would not only ignore me but bash me as well. I am not the one angering you and bringing up these subjects you guys are (I know not all of you) I am merely defending myself. If the posts anger you then delete the original post. I did not bring any question or subject to this board regarding illegal activities someone else did. Ban me if you want but I think you should ban the person who cross posted as well as they are breaking the rules. Anyways I am just going to ignore any future posts with the sole intent of bashing me and starting an argument. If I wanted to hide my posting on that and any other board from you guys all I would have had to have done is posted with a different name. Quote
Luka-pop Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 Although set rules may be helpful, I would have to agree with K that as with any rules, there can be so many exceptions that people would come up with. That may become hectic because there is always going to be somebody who is going to disagree. I thought that Laduenda said that she was going to leave and find a different post or something like that. How come she hadn't said (or typed) a word since her contract/gameness/breeding/chaining debate, and then all of a sudden, she comes back :drinking: and drunk, asks a seemingly silly question, and returns, just to defend herelf. *My point is, that I'm just sick of people that don't help the others and aren't involved with most of the conversations, but just return and seem to start up a whole big disagreement. I think it's SELFISH and EGOISTIC. If you're going to be on here, be a true dog lover, be honest, and think about the other people around you. Speak now, or forever hold your peace! *Disclaimer - This is just the honest point of view of a high school sophomore, who still has a lot of life lessons to learn.* :lol: :oops: Quote
courtnek Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 I'm in agreement with the "High School Sophmore", and I'm 46 years old!! Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 Okay, normally ('pecially in situations with Laduenda) I'd be agreeing with you all here... but Laduenda didn't break any rules here because she never posted that HERE! She knows how we all would have reacted, and whether she does fight her dogs or not, I don't know. But after all that arguing before with the chaining and such, she was gone a while, then came back only asking how she could TRAIN HER DOGS... whats so wrong with that? But whatever, I don't really care what happens, I'll go with the majority as well... I just had to put my 2 cents in, cuz I felt like things weren't really being looked at from all aspects. Personally? I think whoever (I forget now :oops: ) reposted what she said HERE SHOULDN'T'VE! It was none of their bussiness really, and as long as she wasn't posting that sort of stuff HERE, it SHOULDN'T be anyone else's bussiness. (unless they post that that board as well, and in that case, should deal with it THERE) Quote
Prairie_Gurl Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 I don't know if a set rules would work... like you said before somebody is always gonna disaggree with them. I do think that deleting unused accounts is a good idea, though. I don't know if Laduenda fights her dogs or not. I haven't personally seen her dogs, her, or the conditions in which they live in so I'm not goin to make any accusations. Although sometimes it seems as though she *might* fight her dogs, is there any actual proof that she does??? Until then, I'm not goin to accuse her of such a horrid thing. I'm not saying she does or does not fight her dogs, but that's just what I think. Quote
behle Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 Deleting unused accounts is a good idea. I think I have said before somewhere in my postings that the best thing to do when someone posts something is to IGNORE the posting! They will soon tire of posting inflammatory rhetoric if no one comes out to play! It is unfortunate that guests can stir up such discord.... :-? I am for FREEDOM OF SPEECH, but I have the right to exercise my SILENT VETO of inflammatory posts! Quote
stiff Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 I say nei on the deleting usernames, (nei sayers) Quote
stiff Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 [quote name='behle'] I think I have said before somewhere in my postings that the best thing to do when someone posts something is to IGNORE the posting! They will soon tire of posting inflammatory rhetoric if no one comes out to play! It is unfortunate that guests can stir up such discord.... :-? [/quote] This is what I said too, When evil Guest was here, Has he been here lately? Quote
Luka-pop Posted March 14, 2003 Posted March 14, 2003 Wait a minute... I'm confused, as always :oops: . I thought somebody copied a different post of dogo somewhere onto the other one called "Does Laduenda support dog fighting?" Are you all saying that that post was from a different chat site? Whoa, where have I been?! What a misunderstanding! That makes a bit of a difference... I agree, they shouldn't have just posted it off of a different site in that manner, without talking to Lad first or posting it as written by anonymous, not revealing Lad's name. Isn't that similar to plagirism anyways? If there is a problem at a different site, I don't think it should be brought into dogo, especailly if it's going to cause such controversy! They should straighten it out over there! It's a different story if it's a controversy about something that isn't as serious, such as good ways to groom your dog or whatever, but you know, good judgement is everything! Quote
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