Guest roo Posted October 8, 2002 Posted October 8, 2002 [quote name='Bulldog Faithfullest']I have met and competed against many of of theese dogs. I have a few freinds who breed them ([url]www.southernbulldogs.com[/url]) there is just one. I have never owned any(olde's) but have studied many types of alternative Bulldogs for many moons. here is a place to learn about the Alubull and alot of bulldog history (this is a freind of mine also) there is some interesting stuff there. Witch even line you decide on make sure you do alot of Homework and make sure you are not just getting an English cross most of the reputable breeders have at least 2 generations on their yard. SO THEY ARE CROSSED THEN :lol: Enoy the sites I just gave you and if I can help out anymore just say the word. P.S. Howie Mandell blew out his sinus cavitys blowing up latex gloves with his nose! lol[/quote] [/b][b] WHAT ARE THEY CROSSED WITH, I HAVE LOOKED AT THE SOUTHERBULLDOG SITE, THESE DO SEEM TO HAVE MORE TYPE TO THEM. BUT WOULD LIKE TO ALSO KNOW HOW MANY LITTERS DO THESE BITCHES HAVE :evil: [/b] Quote
Guest roo Posted October 8, 2002 Posted October 8, 2002 [quote name='Bulldog Faithfullest']:fist: Actually the hermes line is quit large but very athletic and Healthy. The hermes lines have been used succsefully in Hog hunting, PP and weight pull. The breed is consistant as any working breed meaning since they are bred for perfomance and not a show ring looks will vary slightly. To any of my known recolections they have never been bred to be a fighter. Simply a godd 60pd pit would whip its butt. The Leavitt line is not as heavy and is still a hard working bulldog! There are many other lines of Olde Bulldogs, Victrian, Olde Boston Bulldogge, Alubull and many more they are simply alternative bulldogs bred for health not for wrinkles. Dont judge them by there looks but dig deeper and you will find that theese are some very fine Bulldog's. I personally like the Little Alubull's they are quit small compared to the Hermes and Leavitt lines but are as healthy of bulldog as one could want.[/quote] [b] THE WRINKLING ON THE FACE WAS BRED IN FOR A REASON...... IT WAS BRED IN, BECAUSE WHEN THE BULLDOGS WERE BAITING THE BLOOD FROM THE ANIMAL WOULD GO INTO THE WRINKLES AND FLOW AWAY FROM THE EYES, ENABLING THE DOG TO SEE WHAT IT WAS DOING. ROO[/b] Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 8, 2002 Posted October 8, 2002 [quote name='deepseasnake']I have replied to this 3 times, and they keep getting erased so Im gonna time this one to see how long it lasts, this is frickn insane its drivin me nuts :mad:[/quote] Can't find the problem Deep... Try again!! :wink: Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 8, 2002 Posted October 8, 2002 Roo, go on beliveing the lies the AKC has stated for the wrinkles! That is the biggest pile of crap the AKC has tried to feed people to make excuses for their unhealthy dogs! Oh and the Romans used English Mastiff's in the gladiator ring too! LMAO Get off the sauce :drinking: and quit buying the lies the AKC is feeding you. Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 8, 2002 Posted October 8, 2002 These dogs needed to be low to the ground to get under the bull, quick, tough, with an upturned and pushed back nose so they could breathe, and a few wrinkles to shed any blood off their face. Q6.1 Why are their faces all wrinkly? A6.1 So the bull's blood would flow down the Bulldog's face, under its chin and down, rather than into the dog's eyes. Their noses are tipped back so they can still breath while keeping ahold of their mouthful. Doesn't conjure up a pretty mental picture, does it? These come from several sources not the AKC mind you.. The man ..David Leavitt(the breeds creator) developed another line of Bulldog's that would have less breathing and breeding problems. And also less agressive in nature as he saw this as a fault.. I will give you several links if you would like.. Think of what the breed was orginal used for and the purpose of the wrinkles is pretty clear. :wink: Quote
deepseasnake Posted October 8, 2002 Author Posted October 8, 2002 well basically I said, in my other 2 that I didnot know anything about breeders as I have never bought a dog from a breeder, I have always adopted. so I'm not familiar with the lingo or what to look for in a puppy purchase agreement. The breeder's link you provided was interesting I liked his Oldes but didnt like the cage the pups were in, but I realize one with so many dogs has to use methods like that for containment. when seeing breders all I can do is formulate a peersonal opinion of the guy via what he has written on his site and look at his pics/vids both of these methods are very easily decptable so I must also take into account what the people of this board have to say. In general I know who I see eye to eye with and who I dont, so I can get a kinda-sorta idea of what I might think. Bulldog Faithfullest, you had said you knew this and some other breeders personally, might I request that you drop these guys a line about this forum and see if they could answer a couple questions for us? I would like to get as many opinions as I possibly can on the matter, I would really enjoy owning one of these dogs, but since it would be the first from a breeder I am a bit lost some Qs how many of these dogs exsit today in the US? it seems this breed has fixed alot of problems with the normal bulldogs but what issues still haunt this new "Olde" breed? has the breed been around with addiquit numbers long enough to really know what temperment and health issues are like or is it more of a scientific conclusion based on the breed mixes used? I know you may not know the answers to these but it seems like you may be close to people that do, so if you get the chance and dont mind it would be usefull if you could inquire for me :D Quote
Rowie-the-Pooh Posted October 8, 2002 Posted October 8, 2002 Hey Deep, Sorry... :( I WAS JUST POSTING MY OPINION LIKE EVERYONE ELSE?! :( Look I didn't mean to hurt ur feelings or anything... Hey u like Chester...fine by me! I was just telling you what I thought of him... :o Hey, i dont like small dogs either! Thier too small to play with, and, well, they just to delicate.... I AM NOT TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR BELIEFE IN ANY WAY, NOR AM I TRYING TO MAKE U BELIEVE THAT THOSE BREEDERS ARE BAD.... If you think of me as one of those "girly" kinda girls who just like small dogs they only like dogs cuz "they are soo cute!" I AM NOT! I LOVE dogs, and will always love dogs to the bone... :cry: Hey, is too much to ask to post an opinion? Like this board was ment to do?????????? :cry: Anyway deep...sorry if I hurt your feelings :o ......although im not the only one who commented on Chester...... :-? Oh, and I DID say nice things in my post like: [quote]Hey deep...its UR life....if you want a Bulledogge go get one.....[/quote] Again Sorry...just thought there was no need to snap at ME since everyone else commented on chester too............ :cry: Quote
Rowie-the-Pooh Posted October 8, 2002 Posted October 8, 2002 OH CUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D Look at the smile on the left one's face :angel: ...and the mean "gruff" look on the others...... :D Hehe..........cute K! You really love those dogs...don't you?? U deserve one K! Sending one to u in an "exra Large" envelope now......... :D :wink: What's ur fave color? :angel: :D Quote
deepseasnake Posted October 8, 2002 Author Posted October 8, 2002 K, I like them too one of my favorite dogs ever was a British bulldog with the biggest attitude you ever saw, but I like the Oldes better! Rowie, I can Quote
Guest roo Posted October 8, 2002 Posted October 8, 2002 [quote name='Bulldog Faithfullest']Roo, go on beliveing the lies the AKC has stated for the wrinkles! That is the biggest pile of crap the AKC has tried to feed people to make excuses for their unhealthy dogs! Oh and the Romans used English Mastiff's in the gladiator ring too! LMAO Get off the sauce :drinking: and quit buying the lies the AKC is feeding you.[/quote] :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: If you had looked before you posted :o you would have noticed i am not from the USA, i am from England GREAT BRITAIN, shock horror is that not where the bulldog comes from :wink: I do not go by the AKC standards or as you call it pile of crap. I go by the uk standard and have i am so sorry to inform you very good friends who are breeders judges and even authors on the bulldog. If you ever get the chance to read Very old books (yes older than me) you will find out the TRUE beginnings of the breed, why it was bred to look like it did, the dogs used in the gladiator ring were not english mastiff they were mastiff type dogs. How many different breeds(off mastiff here) claim that their breed was in the pictures in the pyramids. Very many do, but they are that type. I also noticed you chose to ignore the fact that these dogs are CROSSES. When you have bred and judged dogs come back to me with a reasonable response please.Then maybe i will be prepare to listen :-? Roo Quote
Guest roo Posted October 8, 2002 Posted October 8, 2002 Look very nice K I personally would not show them, but , as you only want a pet they look fine, and being tested as well. Have you checked out that site i sent you recently. Roo Quote
Guest roo Posted October 8, 2002 Posted October 8, 2002 K when i can actually post a picture :oops: I will post you a few of my favourites :lol: Roo Quote
Smooshie Posted October 8, 2002 Posted October 8, 2002 :D what a great pic K! dontcha just wanna bury your face in their wrinkly little snouts and just hug them????.........ok well maybe not EVERYONE has the urge to "squish" a smush face :oops: :wink: Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 9, 2002 Posted October 9, 2002 I know that you are in love with this type of dog, personally it's not for me .............it just looks so un-naturally big and out of proportion. Don't like the site either, those chains! I was horrified at the photo of the dog eating a bone whilst a child is sitting beside it...........that was too much like tempting fate.........god! I am very much aware that with some dogs you can do this with, but it all comes down to the individual nature of each dog and not the 'breed' as this pic seems to suggest. I don't understand why they kept putting children in the pics, was it to promote the nature of the dogs? Somehow the pics showing the children don't look right when you also see the pics with chains ...................... To me this is not a site that promotes much of anything. Looking at these dogs all I can see is future health issues, mostly with the joints. I am by no means a 'expert' in this 'breed' but I do have the long term welfare of dogs at heart, this just seems to have taken the 'breed' too far into the extremes and for what reason is beyond me. Quote
Guest roo Posted October 9, 2002 Posted October 9, 2002 Thank you for your post Jan, everyones opinions are welcome, why not join and become a member, and then you will be able to reply to many many more topics. Roo Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted October 9, 2002 Posted October 9, 2002 YAY!!!!!!!! That's good Deep, I didn't really think u hated me..... Sorry about what I said about Chester... Lookin at him another way.... HE IS CUTE!!!!!!!! :angel: I'm really glad ur not mad at me after what I said.... So, what would you really like? A Bulledogge or a Neo or a ....? How's Oscar by the way?????? I WANNA SEE PICCEIS OF HIM!!!!!! :D Ever since you told me about that dog iv'e been dying to see him! Rpwie's Pix won't be out soon. :( NO SCANNER UNTIL AFTER THE 28th CENTURY!!!!! :evil: Anyway.....see ya everyone! :D Quote
gooeydog Posted October 9, 2002 Posted October 9, 2002 I think the point most people here are trying to make about these dogs is that the more "extreme" a dog appears, the less functional it becomes. An example, working GSDs have very different structure than conformation GSDs... the extreme angulation of the conformation GSDs hindquarters lend itself to all sorts of structural/joint defects (hip dysplasia being one of them), as well as taking away from the dogs overall working performance level. The working GSDs, while maybe not as [b]athletic looking[/b] have body structures more suitable for working dogs than most "conformation bred" dogs. Something kind of the opposite of this is present in performance bred APBTs (whether it's weight pulling or any other demanding sport)... they have been bred with little regard as to looks, and much importance placed on performance. If you look at these dogs, you'll see that most are not as bulky as you would expect, many are rather "lanky". They don't have particularly "extreme" or "strong" looks, but their conformation is very well suited for hard work. Olde bulldogs are pretty extreme in looks, but that hasn't helped their structure and soundness. The "out" elbows [b]look[/b] strong, but in real life can actually decrease strength/stamina in a dog. It also increases the chances of elbow dysplasia. Those are just some things you might want to consider... :lol: Quote
deepseasnake Posted October 9, 2002 Author Posted October 9, 2002 point taken, but I've read alot that says these dogs are do quite well in working enviroments, given most who say this are bias to the breed but other non owner non breeder opinions similar are out there. anthor thing is Chester is not a very good example of these dogs he just had the look that I like [img]http://www.bulldogbreeder.com/batman-page-first.gif[/img] [img]http://www.bulldogbreeder.com/dozer-page.gif[/img] these from [url]http://www.bulldogbreeder.com[/url] so those guys are a bit more normal, the other thing is I dont do anything with my dogs except hike, camp and swim (the later of which I doubt the Oldes would join in on :lol: ) so I wouldn't be really "working" them it would be more like "funning" them. I do agree with you Goo, and acknowledge you know alot more about these things than I do, I would never argue a point like this with you but it seems like enough people do have these dogs and from what I've gatherd so far is that the problems with theses dogs are at a minimum or at least "normal" to other "bullys" Im only looking for a pet in them Quote
Bensam Posted October 10, 2002 Posted October 10, 2002 Hi, Deep, (hope you dont mind me calling you Deep, I'm a slow typist ). Those are lovely, I'd always had big dogs until they could outrun me :lol: and can see why you like those fellas. In an earlier post I mentioned liking dogs with a bit of elegence, in their own way I can see that in the pics. But poor old Chester left me speechless. I hope that when you can get one, it will be like the above and will post lots of pics. Quote
Rowie-the-Pooh Posted October 11, 2002 Posted October 11, 2002 Those are VERY pretty Old Bulledogges.... :angel: Quote
Rowie-the-Pooh Posted October 11, 2002 Posted October 11, 2002 [img]http://www.bulldogbreeder.com/larry-page-last.gif[/img] Deep, I found the PERFECT match for you.... :lol: This is Larry, the Diver! :D LOL! :roll: Quote
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