How do you introduce 2 older dogs?

[Shannon_C]

[quote name='Shannon_C'][b]Aroura. Your best bet would be, to put Buffy in a crate, so that Puddles can see her, this way no harm will come to the dog.....leave them together so they can get to know each other, it might take time but be patient. (there will be some jealousy with a new pet around, especially 2 females) but the key is to be firm, if need be at times.....being too soft with Puddles will only see herself as getting all the attention, rather than both....you can also try putting Puddles on the lead, so if she does try to bite Buffy, you have some control (use the word no in a harsh voice), everytime she tries to bite Buffy, in time she will learn to except her new house mate.

When i first brought Charlie (the Bullmastiff) who is 3 years old into the house, when he was a puppy' my dogs who are now a 6 year old Border Collie mix and a 13 year old Westie mix, they wasnt excepting him...there were growls coming from Patch, the Westie ....but everytime i used the word no he started to change, and by the time Charlie was 12 weeks old, Patch was beginning to except him.

You have to be there all the time, and seperate them both when your not. [/b][/quote][b]

Roo and everyone else here.....above is the exact words that i wrote when i was attacked, (so called because Guest thinks that i was telling Aroura the wrong thing).....now how is that possible when the 2 dogs are seperated (the stray being in a cage) and only getting contact by smell and seeing each other....i dont see that as being dangerous at all do you ?
That was my own oppinion regardless of Guests, who said nothing about how to introduce the dogs, but that the stray should go to another home where someone as time to care for it....what kind of advice is that ? :x
Aroura was doing all she could for this dog....at least she came here and asked for advice, in which i know many of us as gave her.
Thankyou to those who are with me on this.
I have rescued and fostered dogs, cats, rabbits and horses and did the same thing with them, i have also bought up my own dogs and cats up this way and never had any problems....so i must know what i am doing.
All the strays being kepted in another room (except the horses, they have there own stables and fields) seperated from my own so that mine dont pick anything up like kennel cough, diseases etc untill they have been treated...and i am considered to do so by my vet. (I also wear gloves to prevent germs spreading to each animal)
Then the socialising starts
I also help my friend out from time to time, she takes in stray cats, (who are also seperated from her own cats) then she finds homes for them....she is also a cat breeder and judge at many shows....this as been her passion for 50 years and i have learned quite a lot from her and yes it is hard work....rearing and bringing up kittens who have not been wanted by there mother.....actually bringing a newborn back to life by wrapping it up in a warm blanket and placing it on a water bottle.
(Baring in mind....i was only 15 years old when i first started this).....remember you only learn from experience!

Now Guest, you going to say that is wrong as well, and besides i dont care how my posts are based here...as long as others are happy with them..thats all that counts!

I dont see any that are not...only certain Guests here, like yourself.





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[Guest roo]

Shannon,
You seem to be taking this personally, Did I name you?
I was taking in general throughout the forum, Was I saying you had no knowledge? No I did not say that.
Did I say your helping animals was wrong or dangerous? no.
Sit down and re read what I have said, I am talking (well writing)
generally, I said I was naming no names. So how can you take this so personally?
Maybe I should have posted the message in another section, but this topic
with quite a few others are ones where alot seems to be happening.
Roo :o

[Shannon_C]

[quote name='roo']Shannon,
You seem to be taking this personally, Did I name you?
I was taking in general throughout the forum, Was I saying you had no knowledge? No I did not say that.
Did I say your helping animals was wrong or dangerous? no.
Sit down and re read what I have said, I am talking (well writing)
generally, I said I was naming no names. So how can you take this so personally?
Maybe I should have posted the message in another section, but this topic
with quite a few others are ones where alot seems to be happening.
Roo :o[/quote]

You have taken this wrong Roo, this post was not aiming at you....i was just letting you and everyone else know what i wrote to help Aroura....I was trying to put a point across to let others know that by seperating a stray dog from your own the only safe way is to put it in a cage so that there is only seeing and sniffing allowed without any harm between one or both dogs.

[Guest roo]

Shannon,
Must have my dopey head on
I am glad i have mistaken you :lol:
Roo

[Guest Anonymous]

Here comes the sarcasm (so forgive me :-? ) but guess what????????????
Buffy already found her home so DROP IT!!!!! GET OVER IT !!!!!!!!!!!!! MOVE ON!!!!!!!!! Sorry to hollar so loud but I have to get through to everyone !! you can uncover your ears now and I will whisper!!![size=1]okay[/size]

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='"newfiemom"']Guests,

I have to ask, what makes you such an expert?
snip more gratuitous nastiness because some people here feel free to attack 'guests' as they feel like it quote]

Anyone can go back and read from the top and see the initial guest reply was NOT to anyone other than the person who had the dog - who was in fact already *past* the introduction point when neutral ground etc might have helped out, and quite potentially, from their post, already in a situation where dogs and people could have gotten hurt, not to mention some poor owner might be out a dog due to lack of notifying authorities the dog was found.
I've listed out my expertise and background in dogs as well as a small portion of my education on the subject. And yes as it happens I do not consider backyard breeders with no knowledge of their breed beyond producing puppies for sale as experts. Nor do I consider pet owners who have done no studying on anything dog related as experts. Nice people probably, well meaning very likely, experts no. So what?
I see the plan now is to keep the dog - sounds like theft to me if the local authorities were not notified - its not 'finders keepers' in a pet found situation. Certainly the local authorites could have been notified about the dog being found. certainly ads could have been run in the local newspapers and certainly the dog could be checked for a tattoo or microchip.
Maybe the dog was abandoned but I don't think anyone here would like it much if someone 'found' their lost dog and then just kept it ... simply because they feel like it.

[Peng1zrule]

you can either keep the dogs seperate, which takes some work. you can keep puddles on a lead and just not allow her to charge buffy. Or, you can stop the behavior that leads to the bullying--the charging. put up barricades and know where both dogs are at all times. I have one that charges other dogs when they come in the house. To solve this, I put her in the bedroom, let the other dogs in, and leave her alone for a few minutes. when it's time to let her out, I carry her to where the other dog is and sat her down. she is also under command until she calms down--she is forced to go and sit on the couch if she bullies, she is made to sit down if she is dominant. I have rolled her for being aggressive to the other dogs. with time, she learns that she is not allowed to be aggressive and she learns to accept that the other dogs are there. in fact, she has stopped this behavior almost altogether.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Anonymous']
Its Puddle's house and she does not want to share.
Why not find someone who can cope with her and maybe find her people instead of upsetting both dogs.
The neutral territory is for introducing two dogs and you are already past that point.
I say at least use a baby gate to seperate them to keep the new dog safe from the current one and also to keep the current one from picking anything more up from the one you found (like fleas or worms or...)[/quote]

Not to take sides but lets get a grip on this..
I think that guest was trying to help Puddles and keep her calm. Guest is not saying dump the dog just maybe find a friend. The best way is neutral territory(which was suggested by many more than just guest in answer) and since Buffy had already been brought in that chance was gone correct? But that is okay. So Guest comes back and says at least get a baby gate to seperate the two (which is a good idea)So they both feel secure! And yes they can pick up things from each other. Parvo (even with all vaccinations) although less likely after a yr, worms (there are several kinds), Gardia, kennel cough, and etc....
Shannon you even said you kept yours in another room until treated. Probably for worms and etc.. Which is a great idea also and basically the idea the gueat was trying to get across. And probably a reason why your dogs remain free of illnesses.
So why is everyone in such an uproar over this?? A baby gate....Seeing if a friend could help...(making both dogs feel secure)...knowing the dogs could pick up something...(ask the vet)..Because Puddles did not want to share her mom or her home(probably not)...Rescue is great but if you have dog prior to this they should come first and a vet check or certain precaution should be taken as I am sure we all know. I myself (as this is just my opinion) do not feel that the post above was out of the way. I have rescued and seen my dogs and others come down with things. All of my dogs have shots wormings and everything! You just have to be careful and never say never!! It is great to know that Buffy has found her home and Puddles has her home..Everyone is happy now. :) :wink:

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Jacsmom'][snip:[/quote]
thanks for reading what was actually written instead of just reacting to some poster's attacks stating what they thought was said

[bk_blue]

I feel like I need a stiff drink after reading all of that. I do think though, Guest, if you're such an internationally respected and published breeder, and a seemingly learned and well-informed person, why don't you get a profile and stop hiding behind the ultimate nom de plume? I know this has nothing to do with the topic but as it's digressed so much already... I'm here to learn and share in a polite manner and both deliberate and unintentional abrasiveness is uncalled for (on both sides of this debate) and detracts from the actual topic, which was...?! :o I can only put in my two cents' worth and say they'll hopefully settle down eventually with some of the methods already posted but not being a dog expert who's to say it will work? I've been lucky in that my dog was very accepting of an older dog who came to live with us and in fact relished the idea of a partner in crime. :lol:

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='bk_blue']I feel like I need a stiff drink after reading all of that. I do think though, Guest, if you're such an internationally respected and published breeder, and a seemingly learned and well-informed person, why don't you get a profile and stop hiding behind the ultimate nom de plume? I know this has nothing to do with the topic but as it's digressed so much already... I'm here to learn and share in a polite manner and both deliberate and unintentional abrasiveness is uncalled for (on both sides of this debate) and detracts from the actual topic, which was...?! :o I can only put in my two cents' worth and say they'll hopefully settle down eventually with some of the methods already posted but not being a dog expert who's to say it will work? I've been lucky in that my dog was very accepting of an older dog who came to live with us and in fact relished the idea of a partner in crime. :lol:[/quote]

The moment you create a profile you are subject to spam, personal attacks and so on. No sense in creating a profile if you are interested only in discussing dogs not in discussing other things of no interest to you.
Of course some people here have the personal attack business down to a science and just attack all guests for no particular reason. Gee here you are new and all and already doing that so you are obviously quick on the update as to the type of preferences on local targets.

[ShadyLady]

Its amazing how fast the critics come out take no heed of the shannon I dont hear them coming up with any suggestions. Aurora I have a freind who has two dogs with very dominant personalities and when first introduced he had the same problem (except these two were going to fight to the death) I suggested putting them together in a backyard together with no humans in sight (quite often it the leader/human they are fighting over) make sure you can see them out a window though for safetys sake and perhaps they can sought it out with out the added pressure of fighting over you .It worked for my friend and the only problem he now has is when hes in the backyard they still get jealous of one another .Im no expert but it might work

[bk_blue]

Guest... Why does it matter if I am new or not? If a regular poster, a guest, or a moderator said something I didn't agree with I would certainly express my opinion- but I would like to think there should be an underlying respect for EVERYONE'S opinions no matter what their status. I was just curious as to your reasons for not being a member- thank you for answering that, spam is a worldwide curse :wink:

[Aroura]

Wow, I can't beleive I posted this topic and somehow managed to miss the WHOLE thing!!!! :lol:
Definatly sounds like I should have been here, if not to clear up a few details, at least to be a part of the arguement!!! :lol:
LOL, I cant stop laughing, this is so ridiculous, the most ridiculous bit is that I missed it!
Oh well, just so we now know (although this did happen a long time ago!), guest (who I believe is treating us as fools, trying to kid us into beleiving that they know ANYTHING about animal behaviour, let alone is an expert in it...), I did check for a micro chip, I took the dog to ALL the vets in town. As it is law in this state to chip the dog should have had one, but didn't. That was the owners problem if I did keep it, as the dog should have had a microchip.
If I was paranoid about worms etc then I would have some pretty bored/crazy dogs on my hand, considering I would never walk them or even socialize them.
I did notify the authoritys, but opted for a home impoundment, as I couldn't stand the thought of this darling dog being locked in a cage with other dogs, just as likely to attack it, and no one to give it cuddles etc.
It ended though, with a happy ending with the dog, rightfully named 'Truely' going home. As it turned out the owner is an RSPCA carrer, all the more reason why the dog should have been chipped, but she had escaped an opend door.
So now everybody can be happy, the dog is home with its owner, our dogs are safe and we no longer have any reason to argue!!! :lol:
Next time I will have to make sure I don't miss reading my own posts!
One question though, whatever happend to shannon? Did we ever find out?