How do you introduce 2 older dogs?

[Aroura]

I picked up this cute little bundle of... matts from off the street the other day. I'm not sure if I can keep her yet for a few weeks, I will if I cant find the owners. Anyway, she looks like a silky terrier cross maltese and my sisters poodle/chihauhau cross Puddles, 3yo, wont accept her and whenever Puddles see's Buffy (as I've temperarilly named her) Puddles attacks! She'll run across the room if she has to just to get one nip in. I know most of you will say let them sort themselves out, but it doesn't seem to be working, all that seems to be happening is Buffy is becoming terrified to be in the same room as Puddles. I took them on a long walk this avo in hope they could be friends in neutral territory but Puddles spen the whole walk chasing Buffy and biting her bum!
Please help, before my beautiful Buffy becomes beaten, bashed and belittled any longer!!!

[Aroura]

ignore my terrible muddled up attempt and spelling chihuahua...
such a strange word to type!!!

[Shannon_C]

[b]Aroura. Your best bet would be, to put Buffy in a crate, so that Puddles can see her, this way no harm will come to the dog.....leave them together so they can get to know each other, it might take time but be patient. (there will be some jealousy with a new pet around, especially 2 females) but the key is to be firm, if need be at times.....being too soft with Puddles will only see herself as getting all the attention, rather than both....you can also try putting Puddles on the lead, so if she does try to bite Buffy, you have some control (use the word no in a harsh voice), everytime she tries to bite Buffy, in time she will learn to except her new house mate.

When i first brought Charlie (the Bullmastiff) who is 3 years old into the house, when he was a puppy' my dogs who are now a 6 year old Border Collie mix and a 13 year old Westie mix, they wasnt excepting him...there were growls coming from Patch, the Westie ....but everytime i used the word no he started to change, and by the time Charlie was 12 weeks old, Patch was beginning to except him.

You have to be there all the time, and seperate them both when your not. [/b]

[Guest Anonymous]

I'm no expert, but you might try neutral ground... like a park or someone elses yard. The old dog is probably threatened by the new one, unsure if she'll still be top in your eyes. When they are both together love them both equally. Some times it doesn't work and you will just have to keep them seperated. I just went through this with the neighbor dog, Clar, who was our pseudo dog after we lost our last dog(it was very hard on my boys) But when Clar met Hazel I just loved Clar and Hazel both and now they play together in the yard all the time. Like I said, I'm no expert and my situation was a little different, but you might give it a try.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Aroura']ignore my terrible muddled up attempt and spelling chihuahua...
such a strange word to type!!![/quote]
Its Puddle's house and she does not want to share.
Why not find someone who can cope with her and maybe find her people instead of upsetting both dogs.
The neutral territory is for introducing two dogs and you are already past that point.
I say at least use a baby gate to seperate them to keep the new dog safe from the current one and also to keep the current one from picking anything more up from the one you found (like fleas or worms or...)

[Shannon_C]

[quote name='Anonymous'][quote name='Aroura']ignore my terrible muddled up attempt and spelling chihuahua...
such a strange word to type!!![/quote]
Its Puddle's house and she does not want to share.
Why not find someone who can cope with her and maybe find her people instead of upsetting both dogs.
The neutral territory is for introducing two dogs and you are already past that point.
I say at least use a baby gate to seperate them to keep the new dog safe from the current one and also to keep the current one from picking anything more up from the one you found (like fleas or worms or...)[/quote]

[b]Guest, if you find it hard answering to reasonable questions...why post ? cause you seem to just be here to tell others what to do or not to do and its not nice.
This forum is about helping and giving out advice to those who need it, and personally Aroura is only trying to do what is right for both her dogs and i think its so nice for Buffy to have found someone who cares about her, most would have not took Buffy in, she would have been left outside to defend for herself.

People should be encouraged to do what is right tov help there pets, not told the opposite (like let someone else have the dog who can cope) Aroura did not say anything about not coping, she said she wanted to know how to bring the dogs up together![/b]

[Shannon_C]

[b]Guest, dogs cannot pick up worms from just being round other dogs, only fleas can be passed on.

Im sure Aroura knows what she is doing on that part![/b]

[Aroura]

[quote name='Anonymous']Its Puddle's house and she does not want to share.
Why not find someone who can cope with her and maybe find her people instead of upsetting both dogs.
The neutral territory is for introducing two dogs and you are already past that point.
I say at least use a baby gate to seperate them to keep the new dog safe from the current one and also to keep the current one from picking anything more up from the one you found (like fleas or worms or...)[/quote]

Thanks Shannon, you said exactly what I was going to say!
Guest, I thought I already explained that I was TRYING TO FIND THE DOGS OWNERS and that I would only keep her if I couldn't. I am not looking for an easy way out, because if I was she would be at the pound right now. I have done everything I can to find her owners, including going to ALL the vets in town to see if they regodnised her, stuck up posters around town, called all the local radio stations to get them to announce it on air and taken her to the pound to arrange a home impoundment. If the owners dont get her now its either because they dont want her anymore or their dead!!! I'm going out of my way to find her real owners for the simple reason is I know how devistated I would be if someone found one of my dogs and decided to keep them, but if they ever got lost, one little trip to a vet or the pound would find them safely home as they are all microchipped, I'm not taking any chances with loosing my dogs!!! I am not going to 'find someone else who can cope with her' because I have grown quite fond of her and would love it if I COULD keep her. I have always wanted a small fluffy dog of my own, the poodle is my sisters and its not quite the same, she isn't loyal to me and when I leave home she stays behind. And as for upsetting both dogs, they are not upset, Puddles is simply being a little territorial and Buffy, apart from having to dodge Puddles is as happy as can be! She goes wherever I do all day and follows me around like a shadow, then sleeps on my bed at night.
And as for fleas and worms etc, all our dogs have been recently wormed so are worm free. If dogs that have been wormed could still pick up worms I would be living in constant paranoia of them picking up worms from the street, cats who jump the fence... I would never take my dogs for walks and be scared to socialize them at all! And fleas... the first thing I did when Buffy came in the door, after ringing radio stations etc, was give her a flea bath!
Now for the sad part, after going to the pound I was informed that if the owners didn't get her I couldn't just keep her but I had to go through all these processes to get her (like any pound dog) but I will have to pay a whole lot of money I dont have to get her back!!! I will go out of my way to do it, my dogs always come first in my pay check, but it is going to be hard and I just hope that her going to the pound doesn't fall at the wrong end of my pay check or I'm worried I may not be able to get her back! Wish me luck! She's already attached herself to me and I couldn't see her going to anyone else but her rightful owners or me.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Shannon_C'][quote name='"Anonymous
[b']Guest, if you find it hard answering to reasonable questions...why post ? cause you seem to just be here to tell others what to do or not to do and its not nice.
This forum is about helping and giving out advice to those who need it, and personally Aroura is only trying to do what is right for both her dogs and i think its so nice for Buffy to have found someone who cares about her, most would have not took Buffy in, she would have been left outside to defend for herself.

People should be encouraged to do what is right tov help there pets, not told the opposite (like let someone else have the dog who can cope) Aroura did not say anything about not coping, she said she wanted to know how to bring the dogs up together![/b][/quote]

I agree people should be encouraged to do what is right for their pets and for any foundlings they have picked up off the street which is exactly why I posted the advice I did!
If it was your lost dog would you want someone keeping it?
Would you want your pet to be being constantly beaten up by a dog that is not interested in sharing its home?
Have some feelings for the animals involved why don't you!
Yes I think its unfair of the person to force a new pet on the old one without having any clue about personalities of the dogs or the health of the foundling.
I don't think a lost or abandoned dog should be kept in a situation where the poor thing is constantly attacked by another dog. I don't think its fair for the person to do this to either dog when they do not have the skills to do it safely. Its not safe or pleasant for either dog.
I also think every effort should be being made to find the owner of the stray. Things happen causing dogs to get lost you know - small dogs fall out of car windows, dogs escape during moves or while their owner is on vacation etc. It does not take long for even a well kept dog to become dirty matted and thin even two or three days can make a mess out of a dog that is lost. That doesn't mean the owner isn't looking for it!
Having your heart in the right place is one thing - knowing what to do after a rescue is something else. Being fair to the dogs is what I care about. Apparently you think she should keep the dog and never mind the situation where its being attacked or the owner who may be looking for it. I don't count that as being encouraged to do what is right. I feel keeping the dog in her home in that situation is cruel to the dog and unfair to any owner looking for it. But if she keeps the dog the LEAST she could do is give the dog its own space in the house using a baby gate!

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Shannon_C'][b]Guest, dogs cannot pick up worms from just being round other dogs, only fleas can be passed on.

Im sure Aroura knows what she is doing on that part![/b][/quote]

Yes they can - all it takes is licking a dirty spot, cleaning their own fur, washing their feet , stepping in a potty accident etc Plus there are more parasites than just worms - giardia and coccidia are very contagious and the latter can be airborne or passed by sharing a water dish not to mention things like lepto, ringworm, kennel cough, parvo and lots more even rabies here in the US which any rescue off the street might be carrying.
As Aurora does not know anything about introducing new dogs to each other I suspect she has no idea about the health dangers of a rescue mixing with the dog in the home and sharing water dishes and potty spaces.
She has already messed up the introduction and the resident dog resents the intruder and attacks it so I would guess its having physical contact with a potential source of disease and IMO Aurora needed to be aware of that.
I am in favor of rescue but people doing it should know how to be careful of both the rescue and their own pets. I'd rather they heard it from me than found out the hard way!

[Shannon_C]

[b]Guest who do you think your talking too, im no child who you think you can have a dig at when you feel like it...you might be but im not.
You came aross to Aroura about getting rid of the dog not encouraging her to do whats right, she took it in her heart to take this dog in and give it a good home (many wouldnt)...she says she as done everything she can to find its owner (with no luck)if you think that the owner is going to come looking for her then your wrong because believe me that wont happen.
This dog as been dumped, no pet would end up looking tatty and skinny if was cared for, in time these dogs will be great friends so just let it be whoever you are, for god sake!
I was in the same situation when i found a puppy (only 6 months old), someone had said he had been thrown out the car as he was lying in the road right outside some stables where i used to ride and this dog had bones sticking out from all directions, his coat was so matted he had to be clipped, his claws had overgrown into his pads which was causing him to limp, he had a cut on his head which we thought he had either been hit by a car or someone had hurt him.
We tried everything to find his owner....phoned round all the rescues near and far, put posters up everywhere, we did this for a few weeks but still no one owned up...and personally we knew that they wouldnt....seeing the state that this poor dog was in it was not possible he would be claimed....so we decided to keep him...and we still have him now (age 13)
Did you know that when dogs go into rescues, if they arent claimed by the end of the week...they are put to sleep ?
I dont know about other countries but it happens in England!
I have been bought up with animals and been around dogs over 20 years now, so dont tell me i dont know about or do not have feelings for animals, cause your wrong.

To the other Guest, i suppose you know how to introduce dogs then do you ? Guest everyone as to learn these things..its not just something that comes out the blue like (Oh i know how to bring dogs up together, i know how to do that and the other) it just doesnt work like that...everyone needs practice and Aroura as come here to get that advice.

What difference does it make if Buffy had worms ? Puddles wont catch it if she is treated regular (which i know she will be).


You pair are a disgrace to this forum, you both need to get a life....i dont see it as giving out good advice and i expect others wont either.....im not perfect either.
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[Shannon_C]

[b]I mean what difference does it make if this dog as been picked up off the street or been in a pound, you still going to say that Aroura should not have her, just because her dog is not used to another dog yet ? How do you think Breeders get on with bringing up other breeds with the elders, (you saying they shouldnt do it either)?
Get real will you!
If i wanted more dogs now (which i will be in the near future) i would go and get 2 female Bullmastiffs, but because i have 3 already, we dont have the room for any more.
The Bullmastiff i have now was 9 weeks, he is now 3 years old and Patch (the Westie mix stray we found) was 10 years old, now 13...yes he did not like the idea of another dog, especially a male coming into his home but he soon got used to him....including the Border Collie mix.

In fact the males play together, so who says that a elderly dog wont get on with younger dogs. [/b]

[Guest Anonymous]

shannon c dont you feel a little embarresed by your last 2 replys[ :oops: you dont like to be spoken to like a child but your reactions are of just that. in case you have forgotten this is a message board forum about dogs where people can freely give their questions and opinions, i can understand why some people want to remain guest. You state you are an advisor bullmastiff lover, who researches the breed, be honest you are a novice pet owner who wants everyone to stand up and take notice of your views, you quote from books, :o not from experience :x have never shown your dog :( or bred a litter of your specialist breed ):oops: yet feel you know everything about all of dogdom. I am not trying to get at you. i am trying to make you realise in case you forgot you too are a mere mortal :evil: b][/b]

[Guest Anonymous]

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[quote name='Shannon_C'][b]Guest who do you think your talking too, im no child who you think you can have a dig at when you feel like it...you might be but im not.
[b]You are acting like someone who does not care a fig for the dogs as long as the person is happy and that is what I am responding to. I want the dogs to be happy and safe - apparently that does not matter to you.[/b]
You came aross to Aroura about getting rid of the dog not encouraging her to do whats right, she took it in her heart to take this dog in and give it a good home (many wouldnt)...she says she as done everything she can to find its owner (with no luck)if you think that the owner is going to come looking for her then your wrong because believe me that wont happen.
This dog as been dumped, no pet would end up looking tatty and skinny if was cared for, in time these dogs will be great friends so just let it be whoever you are, for god sake!

[b]She did not even post ads in the local papers - she just put up posters and called some vets - not the same as seriously looking for an owner. Has the dog been checked for a microchip or tattoo? no mention of that either! Apparently you have no experience in lost dogs - I do - in as few as 2 or 3 days a dog can become matted dirty and skinny particularly if its been in an accident or been chased by other dogs etc.
Dogs do not magically get along - it takes skill or luck to manage the introductions and the straightening out of the pack heirarchy in this case the person who took the dog indicated the new dog was constantly being attacked so much so that it was a problem. There was no way to know from the post if the poor dog would end up dead or badly injured due to the lack of socialization and the territoriality of the resident dog added onto the lack of knowledge of the rescuer - that certainly can happen. [/b]

I was in the same situation when i found a puppy (only 6 months old), someone had said he had been thrown out the car as he was lying in the road right outside some stables where i used to ride and this dog had bones sticking out from all directions, his coat was so matted he had to be clipped, his claws had overgrown into his pads which was causing him to limp, he had a cut on his head which we thought he had either been hit by a car or someone had hurt him.
We tried everything to find his owner....phoned round all the rescues near and far, put posters up everywhere, we did this for a few weeks but still no one owned up...and personally we knew that they wouldnt....seeing the state that this poor dog was in it was not possible he would be claimed....so we decided to keep him...and we still have him now (age 13)
Did you know that when dogs go into rescues, if they arent claimed by the end of the week...they are put to sleep ?

[b]Gee you must live in a really horrible hole of a place - around here adoptable dogs are given every chance to find a new home. I never said the dog should be brought to the pound simply that they should be notified the dog HAD been found. I also suggested a home where the dog would not be under constant attack would be a better situation for the dog. But that's right you don't care about the dog...[/b]

I dont know about other countries but it happens in England!
I have been bought up with animals and been around dogs over 20 years now, so dont tell me i dont know about or do not have feelings for animals, cause your wrong.

[b]Excuse me but I know people from the UK there are many no kill shelters and lots of rehoming and minimal killing of even non adoptable dogs according to friends and behaviorists who work with the shelters there.[/b]
To the other Guest, i suppose you know how to introduce dogs then do you ? Guest everyone as to learn these things..its not just something that comes out the blue like (Oh i know how to bring dogs up together, i know how to do that and the other) it just doesnt work like that...everyone needs practice and Aroura as come here to get that advice.

[b]Education is the key something Aroura has not availed his or herself of as yet. Plenty of books, seminars, trainers, websites etc abound out there to get information from before you make an error that could get a pet injured or killed. And yes it does work like that - one can get the information and even the experience through training with others before one leaps in.[/b]


What difference does it make if Buffy had worms ? Puddles wont catch it if she is treated regular (which i know she will be).

[b]How silly to believe that dogs once treated won't catch worms fleas or any of the other things contagious among dogs. They do - and that is one of the things anyone bringing in a rescued pet should be aware of.[/b]


You pair are a disgrace to this forum, you both need to get a life....i dont see it as giving out good advice and i expect others wont either.....im not perfect either.
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[b]No one cares if you are perfect - people only care if you decide to remain deliberately ignorant, give very bad advice, or take offence when others try to educate. I care because I care about the dogs and their safety - too bad that you don't.[/b][/b]

[Shannon_C]

[b]Why should i feel embarrased by my replies i know what im talking about, and England like others countries are not perfect. Im not the one who keeps dogs in rescue and puts them to sleep within a week, because no one as claimed there pets, and as for questions and oppinions, your the only one here who is rude to people telling them to do this, do that, do the other...how the hell do you expect them to take note from someone who as an attitude.....your the one who isnt liked here and you hate that, you have seem many replies in my name that is making you feel slightly envious perhaps ?
Yes thats correct i am a Bullmastiff Adviser, i research the breed to find out there needs, you dont have to show or breed your dog to know the Bullmastiff either....yes i have read many books and searched over the net, all in all i know enough. (but as you might no im not the only one)!
I am no novice neither.
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[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Shannon_C'][b]Why should i feel embarrased by my replies i know what im talking about, and England like others countries are not perfect.
[b]No one said the UK was perfect . Bu sas for knowing what you speak about I have serious doubts.[/b]


Im not the one who keeps dogs in rescue and puts them to sleep within a week, because no one as claimed there pets, and as for questions and oppinions, your the only one here who is rude to people telling them to do this, do that, do the other...how the hell do you expect them to take note from someone who as an attitude.....your the one who isnt liked here and you hate that, you have seem many replies in my name that is making you feel slightly envious perhaps ?
[b]Actually I don't feel the least bit unwanted - indeed the depth of ignorance here makes me feel quite wanted and my info desperately needed for the welfare of the dogs.[/b]

Yes thats correct i am a Bullmastiff Adviser, i research the breed to find out there needs, you dont have to show or breed your dog to know the Bullmastiff either....yes i have read many books and searched over the net, all in all i know enough. (but as you might no im not the only one)!
I am no novice neither.

[b]You come across as a complete novice knowing nothing about other countries where your breed is located among other things.
You also seem to have no idea about true rescue, about finding owners, about introducing strange dogs or even about general health in dogs including parasites and diseases that I would expect any true fancier to comprehend. You do have very kind feelings on the subject of saving dogs and dog care which initially gave me hope you would like to learn how to actually do and or understand some of these things. I no longer am so sure you care to learn anything other than where to find new forums to proclaim your own glory uncontested by anyone who actually knows something. I'd really prefer to be proved quite wrong about that for the sake of the dogs.[/b]

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[Shannon_C]

[b]You come across as a complete idiot who as no respect for others here including myself.....you dont know me and i dont know you so you cannot tell me that i know nothing about dogs especially when it comes to rescuing them. (Im not one for telling my life story) I have saved many who have been neglected..not just dogs....cats and rabbits, they have all been bought up very carefully with my pets and children, they have been well socialised....so that they get used to living in a home with other animals etc.
I have fostered all sorts of animals including horses (with stables and acres of fields nearby)....they have all got on so well with mine....its hard when they have to go but thats life, as much has i would like to keep them all it would be impossible as i do not have the room!
But i help out whenever i can.

So Guest you just keep to your oppinions and i will keep to mine! Ok[/b]

[Shannon_C]

[b]Guest all your interested in is letting eveyone think that your an expert here.....you might know a few things but you dont know everything, so dont put it across that you do. I bet you have piles and piles of books and papers with every information that concerns dogs, when as you know your a complete novice too, everyone also knows that you are so ignorant and rude intefering with other oppinions...instead of coming here to do what you were meant to be doing, then dissappear
Is it so hard for you to be mature (or dont you know what that word means).[/b]

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Shannon_C'][b]Guest all your interested in is letting eveyone think that your an expert here.....you might know a few things but you dont know everything, so dont put it across that you do. I bet you have piles and piles of books and papers with every information that concerns dogs, when as you know your a complete novice too, everyone also knows that you are so ignorant and rude intefering with other oppinions...instead of coming here to do what you were meant to be doing, then dissappear
Is it so hard for you to be mature (or dont you know what that word means).[/b][/quote]

Maturity is in the eyes of the beholder - go reread your continual personal attacks on others before you claim it for yourself.
As for expertise - I would say I have it and you don't simply based on your posts here which don't show you as an expert at all. Doesn't mean you cannot become one but you need to learn to listen as well as bellow out insults.
As for books - yes I read - voraciously, I also work directly with animals and owners, I rescue and rehome screening dogs and owners, I attend seminars on behavior and training, I teach others to train their dogs, I've done intensive study of general dog genetics and in particular with my favorite breed, I've learned a great deal from some wonderful vets and advanced reading and personal experience with dogs living here about dog health and the many problems there can be with it, I'm an internationally respected breeder and my articles on dogs have been published in at least 6 countries besides the US plus I've been a resource for people publishing books on the topic of my breed.
Is there still more for me to learn - absolutely! there are tons of great people out there to learn from too - many more available to you in the UK than me here in the US - but I do think I've gotten past 'novice' and 'pet owner' quite a lot of years ago. :lol:
You are absolutely correct that I do not know you - all I know is what you post here - which is what I react to and base my judgements upon. To me reading what you write here you come across as a perfectly nice pet person without a lot of education or background in behavior or training or health in dogs.
Remember you also have no clue about me so do please cease trying to pretend you do.
If you don't like what I have to say I suggest you don't read it or respond to it - that would be the mature thing to do unless of course you wish to present solid information that supports or disagrees with the information I share.

[Guest Anonymous]

i have gotta agree, there are far more than one guest here with the same
idea about novice pet owners,
quote no expert in dogdom would have the audacity to claim expertise. only a novice would. hear hear guest ya got my vote

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='sashagirl']Guest- that is great that you have so much experience. It seems like you could be a great resource for all of us here. The way you worded your first response made it seem as if you knew all and were really too good for any of us. Maybe if you weren't so rude when you responded we would be more willing to take your advice. I think the point that Shannon is trying to get at is not about who knows more than who. But the fact that you just said this is what you got to do... period... Maybe explain why she should do it. Give her help explain your side. That kind of thing. :D

Shannon why don't you just leave this one alone. We all value your opinion here. No point in having a pissing match with this guest... :D Love ya girl...[/quote]
Sometimes there is time to explain everything and sometimes there is not same as in the real world. Rudeness also is in the eyes of the beholder. Succinct would be another term to use. I saw no request for explanation
or any attempt to evaluate and or refute the information given simply an immediate personal attack when the information presented did not suit the reader.
Maybe I missed it but I still have seen nowhere that the authorities normally contacted have any clue this dog was found nor was a check made for tattoo or microchip. I have seen a complete back off from the 'constant attack' description between the two dogs which is one thing I found very worrying esp with the inital post showing no indication on the sizes of the two dogs. Dogs can and do kill each other when people try to make them be 'friends' without understanding what is going on in pack structure. I love dogs but they are not people. Expecting them to be people isn't fair to them. Enjoying them as dogs and knowing them as dogs is what its about.
Not all dogs can get along, not all lost dogs are dumped or abandoned. I came close enough to disasters when I was starting doing rescue to feel the warnings needed to be given even when I was short on time to type.
<shrug>

[Shannon_C]

[b]Sashagirl :D There is always one gal :)



Guest. Stop seeing yourself as being perfect because your not.....your like all of us here. I would also like to point out that you started it by attacking my post (not just one post either), instead of ignoring it you just had to personally attack because my oppinion wasnt to your taste.
If you have a problem about certain issues that you dont agree on.....then go to that website that talks pleasure in killing animals....give them your oppinion of how you feel about there sicks minds and see where you get there.


Why dont we all leave this forum in your hands so that you can give out your expertise....that way no one can bother your sorry little ass!

You leave my posts alone and i will leave yours.

[Guest Anonymous]

I agree with Shannon about what Aroura needs to do with her dogs. As for the guests :evil: opinions, they are simply that opinions and nothing else. What Shannon has told Aroura to do is what animal behaviorist recommend, now if the two guests :evil: disagree oh well.

[Guest Anonymous]

[quote name='Shannon_C'][b]Sashagirl :D There is always one gal :)



Guest. Stop seeing yourself as being perfect because your not.....your like all of us here.
snip gratuitous insults
You leave my posts alone and i will leave yours.[/quote]

I don't see myself as perfect though I do see myself as lots more knowledgeable than you are based on your posts here.
As for leaving your posts alone - I will not let misinformation dangerous to dogs and owners be presented as reality. When I see it here I will react to it no matter who has posted it - remember I don't give a fig who you are or are not just if you are giving out good or bad information. You are IMO taking corrections to misinformation way too personally.

[Guest roo]

I am quite a new member to this board, I have watched it with at times tongue in cheek and sometimes in disgust at what is a regular flow of abuse and rudeness. I posted the topic why can't we all get along, few of you agreed to the idea, It is not always the guests who start the abuse, you can't always blame it on one person, everyone has views, sometimes advice given that in my personal opinion is totally incorrect, yes we can all agree on that. If I made a comment that was incorrect and possibly dangerous to the dogs and someone returned post be it a guest or member then that is fair enough. I think that and I am naming none there are a few members out there that want this sort of thing, it is ok for them to be rude, selfcentred and abusive but not for a guest to, All of you sit back and look at what you are doing to what could be an excellent forum, then think what can I do to improve it.
That is my opinion and I am sure I am going to get some abuse for what I have said and feel. And I am big enough and strng enough to take it without being rude back :lol: