Lucky Chaos

Well how stupid, EVERYONE gets worked up in threads like this. Typical of her, to leave and go crying somewhere else. And yes, some comments were out of line, but people apologized, everyone says things in anger and betrayl they later regret. I'm sure these people are SO perfect, they never get upset. :roll: I can't STAND people who go crying to other boarfd because people criticized them, its immature and stupid.

I'm sure some of you have heard about this already, but I thought it was such a great story that everyone should too. [img]http://files.dogster.com/pix/dogs/60/130060/130060_1123194374.jpg[/img] Freedom Flight As many people know a bill was recently passed in Ontario Canada banning the American Pit Bull Terrier. The day the bill passed the cry went out to help save the dogs in shelters who will all be doomed in short order. I was fortunate enough to belong to a message board ([url]www.PitbullForum.com[/url]) when the cry went out and offered to take an Ontario dog.Thaank you to Holly at the Gerogina shelter in Ontario (where Nev came from). When BULLIES IN NEED contacted Holly and let her know that we found a wonderful place for Nev to go, she jumped on board and agreed to keep hiding Nev when he went past his due date to be PTS. Also a person in Seattle heard about one that SHE wanted to adopt. So..two people in particular(thank you Jamie from Puyallup, WA and Laurel from Rolling Rescue )quickly began to try to put together a ground transport to bring the two dogs the 2500 miles from Ontario to Seattle, Washington USA. Despite the best efforts of many people the trip was just NOT coming together. Nitro and Neville were waiting in shelters as the clocks ticked on their lives and the volunteers were running out of time. It was becoming truly desperate..here were two dogs..with places to go, scheduled to die simply for being Pit Bulls in a place where they were banned. It was getting to the point where I think some people were close to giving up. This was when one wonderful person stepped forward and offered to pay for the dogs to FLY to Washington. This still involved the work of MANY volunteers. We had Bullies-in-Need in Ontario praying and crying desperately from their end. One person(thank you Amy Watts )in Ontario fostered Nev overnight and then drove him from Toronto to Michigan. Where he was then boarded, at no cost, for a week at Capital Area Humane Society in Lansing, MI. They also had both dogs neutered at their cost while they were there. Then another volunteer picked the boys up and transported them to the Detroit airport. Finally it all paid off and the boys landed safely in Seattle on March 20, 2005. Life in America Nitro started his new life with his new owner and Neville settled in as a foster dog in search of the perfect family. When Nev arrived I really knew next to nothing about him. All I knew is what he looked like and that he loved people. I had been told he was thin but upon arrival it was quickly apparent that more than thin..he was very conditioned and athletic. Much to my surprize and delight..he was also well trained. Neville was just full of surprizes. He was unreactive to other dogs, ignored my cats, loved my kids and was just a joy to have around.W discovered a dog that was extremely wel behaved and had wonderful manners. No matter what I thought of he was completely unflappable. I even took him to a parade where he made a ton of new friends and never ceased to astound me. After I posted a few brags about him on a few forums several people suggested I contact Diane Jessup as she was looking for dogs to try out for the Washington State Patrol to be trained as bomb sniffing dogs. I thought it was highly unlikely but what the heck..I emailed Diane anyways. Now Nevilles Story Gets REALLY Exciting Much to my surprize I heard back from Diane rather quickly. She belongs to the same board as I so she had seen Nev's story and was willing to come and test him out. It took some time to get our schedules to work together but at last, we managed and she came to my house to meet Nev. I fully expected to hear "what a nice dog, thanks for trying" and I am pretty sure she expected to say something along those lines. That did not happen. She liked Nev immediately and within a short time, before she even left my house, she was on the phone with her contact from teh State Patrol, scheduling a time to meet. I don't want to speak for her..but I could swear she was excited about him. Things moved really fast from there..a few days later Diane and I went to meet with the State Patrol Officer. Again I was preparing myself for a no. I mean..this was just TOO good to be true..or was it? No, turns out it was NOT too good to be true. The officer was VERY pleased with Nev and was trying to contact his superior to get Nev into the K-9 academy immediately. Unfortunately he was not able to reach him. We were fairly sure they would want him but we had to wait yet again. So Diane took Nev home with her and we were stuck waiting again. The next day the call came..Nev was in. But he had to pass ONE MORE TEST. After one more incredibly long 24 hour wait..word came at last. Nev had passed with flying colors and soon his training will begin. From banned dog to cop in training. What a difference 2500 miles and a month can make in one very special dog's life. Stay tuned for updates!!! Today was the BIG day!!! August 4th 2005 Today I officially became a member of the Washington State Patrol as a bomb detection dog! I have an assignment for a ferry dock and they expect me to search 30 cars a day! I got to see my foster Momma again and I was so happy to see her. It made everyone cry when i tried to climb into her lap. I promise to do a good job. I have a nice family with my Mommy and my Daddy and even a Grandma who is very proud of me. Lots more pics of info on Nev here [url]http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=130060[/url]

[quote]ok now i am rambling i am sorry i know there are going to be alot of disagreements and i accept them but i just want to add that maybe all things happen for a reason and look at it from a positive point moose came into dals life for a reason whether it be cuz she needed him or he needed her[/quote] Uh, he didn't "come into her life" SHE was looking for another pom and went out and got him, from where I don't know, as there doesn't seem to be many poms for adoption. She still has refused to say where Moose came from, and she said the other two were from rescues. What rescue? the "puppymill" rescue? Why on earth would you want to go back there, or there in the first place? I know you're her friend and are defending her, I've defended my friends before, and I will continue too. But I think you should take a good look at her situation.

[quote name='Jessashelony'][quote]have you looked in a mirror lately? [/quote] Nope... Because last time I did I scared the sh*t out of myself... :o[/quote] At least you can make fun of yourself. :roflt:

[quote name='DeafAussieLover'][quote name='Lucky Chaos']So, where did all these poms come from? The same place? And did you actually rescue them, because I find that hard to believe.[/quote] Yes boonie and stryker were from a resuce group.[/quote] But, a puppymill rescue? What about the new one? And what happened to Cody's aggression issues?

So, where did all these poms come from? The same place? And did you actually rescue them, because I find that hard to believe.

Well I was hoping if I said something we wouldn't get the slip again.

You know... we can see you...

It does take guts to apologize. It also takes guts to stand up and come back when you know you're wrong, something that certain people are serverely lacking. :roll:

It just goes to show.. even the people you trust and know for years sometimes can't be trusted. :( And although I think ALL of you are awesome, great people, there's no reason to insult someone when it has nothing to do with the issue on hand. :-?

They need to stay with each other for at least another 3 weeks. Even though mom's dead they can still learn proper behavior from each other. Its extremely important for puppies to be with other puppies long enough. Honestly I would contact a rescue group. They should be on solid food by now right? So you or someone would have to keep the whole litter for a few more weeks and then adopt them out.

Well its over a day and a half later... wonder where she is? I think she owes us some explanations. :roll:

[quote]and maybe me asking for you to repost your questions and i would ask her is just my way of looking out for her to avoid reading the posts without questions...like i said she read some but she was more shocked and hurt so i think she did the right thing by waiting [/quote] You don't want her to read OUR opinions, if we don't have questions in them? Its alright for HER to post anything she wants, but when she gets different replies than she expected she shouldn't read them because they're not all gushy over her third dog in less than a year? I honestly hope she actually reads this thread and thinks about it.

To quote her words, "The real world is a bitch". This is a discussion forum, I'm sure she can handle the consequences just fine.

[quote]I totally agree with K about how cats need fresh air, grass and things to cimb on. We have 5 acres of basiclly just forest and our cats LOVE it![/quote] Thats a bit different from city life. I like to think if I had 5 acres my kitties would be indoor/outdoor cats too. As it is, we don't so all their outdoor time is supervised and on a harness. I do take them out as often as I can, I even take my rats outside to explore and enjoy the outdoors. But I feel bad, they can't exactly hunt with a harness on.

[quote name='Jessashelony']LC... Here is her quote from the other thread on that... [quote name='DeafAussieLover']I still want a little dog in my life yes.. not right away.. i'll just keep my eyes open and be on teh look out for the right one and when the time is right i'll get one. as for the people about Stryker. Yes i got him froma rescue group. NO they dont know i have found a btter home for him.. they wont find out.. alena and kari and i all beelive she is some sort of puppy mill so no way would i have returned him to them...[/quote][/quote] So where's this one from? And were the last two from the same place? Why ever would you go back there? If it was a different rescue, I refuse to believe that they knew about Stryker, rescues want their dogs in PERMANANT homes. I totally forgot about Cody's aggression issues. Those just disappeared huh? Do you think upsetting his life by having one of his pals disappear, and then suddenly bringing home another is going to help him? Leaving a deaf dog alone in the yard while kids are over isn't going to either. I hope you don't expect your parents to care for YOUR animals either. You said you won't be home except in the evening, and will be out on weekends. How do you think this is going to affect your dogs?! That poor little dog is going to be so confused, brought to his new home, then upped and moved, and the person he's bonded with barely around, kept outside all day before being moved yet another time. All all this months after you were up and ready to leave your husband. I swear you change your life more than most people change their underwear, what kind of life is that for your dogs?

I have a question, does the rescue knwo you gave Stryker up? maybe that WAS for the best, but I know every rescue I've contacted has a contract that states if you have to give the dog up it goes back to the rescue. Just something you might want to be aware of.

:o I don't get it. So, you're moving to your parents house, they may have a problem with Zoey so she'll be forced to live next door, alone. Cody will be alone in the yard all day. And instead of making sure your dogs could be comfortable and ALL IN ONE HOUSE, you went out and got another dog? No words...

I wouldn't object to an ear tattoo. Plus a tattoo is harder to fake, you have to get the ink and the pen. A notch can be cut with anything, and not humanely either. I think its a good idea, but why not with dogs as well? My cats have the same chance of getting out and being picked up by AC as my dogs do, in fact the dogs moreso as they go out in the yard and for walks, the cats are 100% indoors.

[quote name='K'][quote]will people like it? maybe not, but I really dont care.[/quote] what she said...and shes right...I dont care what people think either...the good of the pets is at stake...I say pats becuse I firmly believe that [b]all [/b]cats should be fixed ..and have the notch taken out of thier ear to prove they are fixed...ALL of them not just ferals and strays...[/quote] I don't want a notch in my cats ear thanks. :lol: But then again they're indoor cats anyway.

Wow I'm so sorry! I would have shot it too, if I owned a gun, don't worry. I don't understand though, not only has she had her shots but you brought it in, can't they test it?

What I would suggest is to turn any man she comes in contact with into a treat dispenser. Have them hold hot dogs, or a similar yummy treat, and everytime she gets near them have them hand her a piece. Tell them not to look at her, just hand her the treat silently. Every single time they get near her or she approches them, she gets a treat. She should learn that men arn't bad, and she gets rewarded.

I'm very glad you do. Responsible APBT breeders that health test seem to be in extremely short supply right now. I would LOVE to actually to find a reputable breeder that health tests and has dogs that can WORK. Not prance around a show ring.

[quote name='Hmmmm']I have purebred APBTs. Inbred, linebred, scatterbred... and have no problems with health AT ALL. I dont have a single dog with HD.[/quote] Sorry, but I really have to ask. How do you know? Unless you test hips? [quote]LC maybe we have to agree to disagree on this point.[/quote] Sure thing. :)

[quote name='BuddysMom']LC, thanks for the info on HD and wolf behavior. That is an education for me. I stand corrected! [quote name='Lucky Chaos']I mean mutts like my border collie/retriever mix, who had purebred parents. If my dogs retriever dad had HD, and his mom had Collie Eye, isn't there a great chance that those traits will be passed to the offpsring?[/quote] My educated "guess" is No. Again I could be wrong but I think that in a breed mixing situation Nature attempts to express the most positive traits and screen out the most negative traits, and the more breeds being mixed together the more positive raw material there is to work with, that is why I believe that mutts, whether true village dogs or mixed breed, are generally healthier than purebreds. The exception is a responsibly bred purebred because the human genetic screening would be done.[/quote] Nature really doesn't care what traits it passes on. Its pretty much luck of the draw. yes, maybe HD could be culled in future generations but no matter what dog one with HD is bred with, chances are the puppies will have it. Lets says dogs were wild. My mixed breeds parents had HD. 4 out of 8 or so pups had it, those pups probably wouldn't live long enough to pass it on. The healthy ones bred with other healthy HD free dogs, and less pups had it but 2 out of 6 pups did. Those died, and the 4 pups left bred with 4 other HD free dogs. The resulting genetation would have less of a chance of HD. But, since their great grandparents DID have it, its very possible it could crop up in generations later. While not a health problem, I think this is something worth pointing out. I'm Topsy Turvy Du Dantero. A long haired malinois (in other countries he's be considered a turvuren) [img]http://members.aol.com/dantero3/topsy2.jpg[/img] His parents, Zara v.d. Berlex-Hoeve - Hips, elbows x-rayed in Europe, OFA fair and Rytmo des Deux Pottois - FRIII, '96 NARA Champion, OFA Good, eyes normal were both short haired. [img]http://members.aol.com/dantero1/zara.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.rugpalnorth.com/videos/raptor_stand3.jpg[/img] Since both of them carried the long haired gene, while not long haired themselves passed it on to their litter. Only one pup of the litter (I think) was long haired. So it goes to show that traits that wouldn't show up in the parents (and health problems like HD) can and do show up in litters. You won't be able to completely eliminate it from a line just by natural culling. Even dogs with HD often do live normal lives. Fo instance, many APBT breeders don't bother to health test their dogs because "they run and play fine, and we do weight pull ect." Well APBT are darn tough dogs, a dog with minor to moderate HD could act like a totally normal dog, while having it themselves. They then breed and pass it on to pups. I'm sure this would go for the purebred mutt too, they could live with HD and pass it on. The only TRUE way to rid dogs of genetic dieseases is to test them.