Guest Anonymous Posted February 13, 2004 Posted February 13, 2004 Ok that did not work. i will try again [img]http://sc.groups.msn.com/tn/F1/F2/BADASSCLAN/2/5.jpg[/img]
Guest Anonymous Posted February 13, 2004 Posted February 13, 2004 This is him geting ready to go outside. and a close up [img]http://sc.groups.msn.com/tn/F1/F2/BADASSCLAN/2/6.jpg[/img] [img]http://sc.groups.msn.com/tn/F1/F2/BADASSCLAN/2/7.jpg[/img]
Guest Anonymous Posted February 13, 2004 Posted February 13, 2004 very handsome! but then agian i love pit bulls, i have never seen one i didnt think was beautiful.
mydogroxy Posted February 13, 2004 Posted February 13, 2004 [quote]The Point i am trying to make dogs need all breed need to be around other dogs[/quote] NO! at a certain point in thier lives dogs do need to be around other dogs for socialization purposes, but this is when they are puppies. a fully grown dog does not NEED to be around other dogs. some (my own dog for example) CANNOT be around other dogs.
Guest Anonymous Posted February 13, 2004 Posted February 13, 2004 Thank u very much.. he is a little actor he loves his pic done he even posses for the cam
Guest Anonymous Posted February 18, 2004 Posted February 18, 2004 what it comes down to is personality. mostly. my pit is very good around ppl and pets. but. some dogs like mine have strong inheirted traits. some herding breeds will stalking anyting that moves when others wouldn't do it for the world. the other day i was walking Capone (my pit) big mixed dog comes around this house and attacks well inheirnly he locked on the dogs nose. the dogs owner came running round and got all upset about it. but he ended up apologizing to me. I also can't take him to the ranch cause he go crazy around big animals. when i first took him out there he got hold of the nose of a cow. My point is like i said it depends on the dog. so that means the OWNER is responsible for the safety of his dog and others. somethings i can do that my dog is compatible with and others i cant.
Guest Anonymous Posted February 18, 2004 Posted February 18, 2004 you know u are write. My dog just the other day this little jack r terrer snaped at my dog. I dont know if it was couses she was a girl dog but he cryed when she nip him. My was on a leash and i was walking him. the other dog was to. I told the owner of the dog that mine was a pit and they did not care they still tryed to get there dog to hurt mine. They followed me down the road with there dog. I gess if my dog was going to bite there dog they probley would not care what my dog would of done to there dog. I kept walking took him in and told my husband. My husband went outside to find this person they where gone. Now when i walk him i have to make shure noone is around. My husband said he would walk him. These people are crazy or they are just looking for a law suite eather way i refused to put my dog in that perdictament.
Guest Anonymous Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 [quote]the other day i was walking Capone (my pit) big mixed dog comes around this house and attacks well inheirnly he locked on the dogs nose.[/quote] :roll: at "locked on the dogs nose" Pits jaws do not lock!!!!!! How did you get him off the other dog? Julie, are you saying someone followed you around trying to get thier Jack Russel Terrier to hurt your pit? I like the last post my mydogroxy. I have to agree with her. Dogs dont need to be around other dogs, they need to be around people. I truely hope your dog never gets the urge to fight, because if he does 1)you wont be prepared for it 2)he might hurt someone elses pet 3)he might have to be put down because of your unwillingness to understand the breed.
Beach Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 My friend has a Pit from the SHELTER. She is a great dog and gets along with ALL dogs. He also has a Rottweiler and a 100 pound mix breed. The three play all day. I have a Shepherd mix and a Boxer. All 5 get along great. I can take her anywhere. I go to the dog park and see many Pits playing with other dogs. I think it is mostly how you raise them. Yes it is somewhat genetic and you always have to be aware of their power. BUT by keeping them away from other dogs because something might happen - something will happen the first time they are around other dogs. There are never guarantees - even with a Lab!!!!!
Guest Anonymous Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 Ya know, all you folks that come here saying you have seen a pit, or owned a pit (or 8 dead ones) or a pit mix etc., etc... playing with other dogs and that they will get along with other dogs MUST BE RIGHT. I mean, after all the experience you have. Someone like me who has only been involved most of my life and have had, and still have, several American Pit Bull Terriers and have read just about every piece of material written on the breed as well as talked to dogmen on several occasions MUST NOT KNOW ANYTHING. I must be wrong about the breed I love. I guess maybe I should just let all my dogs run around together in the backyard. After all, some are family and all the pups, regardless of parentage, share a kennel until they get older. Maybe their jaws really do lock!! I'll bet they will all get along GREAT. I wont ever have to worry about having to break up a fight cause they wont do it. No matter whats in their blood or what they have been bred for for hundreds of years. Having that one pit bull has made everyone experts, hasnt it?! Maybe you all should start reading more. Especially if you want to own a pit bull, successfully. :drinking:
drjeffrock Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 [quote name='Beach'] I think it is mostly how you raise them. Yes it is somewhat genetic and you always have to be aware of their power. BUT by keeping them away from other dogs because something might happen - something will happen the first time they are around other dogs. [/quote] Sorry, but that is incorrect. I know tons of pits who are fine w/ other dogs, but I know ever more pit owners who utter the phrase "I cant believe that Trixie (or whatever name) attacked the other dog. She has never done that before. I dont understand." All it takes it one dirty look, the wrong smell, a dog running in the wrong direction, whatever of a million reasons. If it is nurture and not nature, please explain to me why many pits who have been socialized with other dogs from a young age turn dog aggressive when they mature?
Guest Anonymous Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 [quote]I think it is mostly how you raise them. Yes it is somewhat genetic and you always have to be aware of their power. BUT by keeping them away from other dogs because something might happen - something will happen the first time they are around other dogs.[/quote] yet another thing i am completely tired of hearing. yes, you can to some extent have an effect on a dogs behavior through the way you raise them. but by saying it's mostly how you raise them you greatly underestimate how much genetics comes into play. for example (for the one millionth time): my dog roxy lived among her own litter plus 5-6 other dogs for the good part of her first three months on earth. when she came home with me, she immediately went most places with me. she even went to the dog park several times a week and got along splendidly. i found however, that she was becoming increasingly aggressive in play and i feared she would injure another dog, so we stopped going. she still however was able to meet dogs on the street (on leash) as i was able to better control her and interveine should something happen. now despite all this exposure to other dogs (plus obedience training, a healthy diet, plenty of excersize and all the things a well raised and well cared for dog gets) she is extremely dog aggressive and cannot even see another dog without getting excited. it happens. period. i find that those of us with dog aggressive pits (or any dog for that matter) are understanding of other dog owners. we often give congratulations to those who are blessed with nonaggressive pits. too often though, those same people offer thinly veiled insults and insinuations about how we treat our dogs in the form of "it's how you raise them." it's the same as saying "well, your dog is aggressive, so you must be doing something wrong."
Guest Mutts4Me Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 I don't own a pit bull. I've met many pit bulls, all of whom have been nice. I don't claim to be an expert in dogs, let alone pit bulls. But I try to accept everything and everyone for what and who they really are. My goal in life is to work with lions and tigers. No fooling yourself allowed there. The folks who keep saying nice things about pit bulls, the nature v. nuture stuff, that's really nice of you. Pit Bulls need folks on their side. But in order to make a valid argument, you've got to face - and then tell - the whole truth. Pit bulls are nice dogs. Pit Bulls have deadly potential. Please STOP with the whole "I've seen X number of pit bulls playing nice with other dogs." That's GREAT, but you know what? We're not just talking about the pit bulls here, and I don't know why people don't get that. Your pit bull is nice and very friendly. Good. Your pit bull plays well with other dogs. Good. Someone comes to the park one day with a dominant dog, or another dog wanders into your yard. Your pit bull is not dog aggressive, and just wants to play. For whatever reason, that other dog ATTACKS your pit bull. Friendly or not, your pit bull is probably not going to stand there and let himself be torn apart, so he defends himself. Now comes all that genetic stuff we keep talking about. Your pit bull is probably going to do serious damage to that lab, or shepherd, or beagle, whatever. May even kill it. Does that mean he's a bad dog? No. But now someone's dog is dead. That's sad enough, but now people are screaming "killer pit bull," and they want your dog dead, too. But he's a nice dog, and doesn't deserve to die. They don't care, and you've just put one more dent into the pit bull's reputation as a killer. No one wants you to treat your pit bull like a monster, but please accept its power and potential and protect YOUR dog from what it may do.
Guest Anonymous Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 Your dogs not aggressive.... wait. as Hmmmm pointed out some dogs mature at a differnet rate and can take years beofre they get that way. just becuase your dog loves dogs now DOES NOT mean they always will. You know what these dogs were bred for EXCLUSIVELY for so long, right? do you think genetics like that can be forgotten. All books about pit bulls have one scetion in common "dog-aggression" its like th most fundamentally basic thing you need tobe aware of before you get one. Odds are your dog will get aggressive, if it doesnt great, but never expect that it wont, or trust it not to be. My dogs love each other but i would never leave them alone together unsupervised. Not because of how they hbehave, or anything they have ever done, becuase I know the genetic traits of my dogs, I know the bred in nature of them, and I dont want to risk it. What happens the first time your dog does react badly? not expecting it to have happend your dog will more than likely pay the price. it will get someone elses dog you will be stuck with vet bills, and they will deem your dog as dangerous, your home owners will probably drop you, your dog may be put to sleep. why put all that on the line? Expect the worse.. Plan for it... when it happens you are ready... if it doesnt then you get to be proud your dog reacted in a good way. it just makes sense.... to me at least.
Guest Anonymous Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 It's funny how people always pick out one sentence that they don't like and tear you apart. May be reading it all and thinking about it would be better and then start writing. Ok, I have a question. And this is really just a plane old question or thought. Fighting is breed into the Pits over generation. So, it's in their genes and you cannot let them do what other dogs do, correct? So, how can we get that out of them if we don't try to have them play with other dogs just because they are Pits and cannot be trusted? You need to trust them to a certain point to change the past...... Please, do not jump on me for this. This is just a thought. I am really well aware of what Pits can do. I have seen it. I know why they are so good fighters. But I like to believe that we can change that if we work on it....
Guest Anonymous Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 i don't think anyone here would say that you should never allow your pit to have any opportunity to interact with other dogs. some will be able to get along fine, while others won't. the only way to find out, really, is through interaction. i think the real issue here are those people that choose to ignore their dog's natural tendencies. people trying to better the name of the pit bull will argue that it's all in how you raise them and take zero precautions. this is where trouble happens. if your dog is seemingly fine around other dogs then, by all means allow interaction, but make sure you have control of the situation at all times. owners who make the mistake of trusting their dog to act against instincts are the ones we see in the news after an attack. to address your question of getting dog aggression out of pits...well that's a touchy topic among many. there is another breed of dog amstaffs, that share their origin with pit bulls but have not been so extensively bred for aggression. some would say that those dogs are examples of pits who have lost their aggression (others would not). i think the biggest issue with breeding aggression out of pits is that this characteristic has been an integral part of the breed for soooo long. it would be like breeding out the retrieving out of goldens. many do not want to change this aspect of the breed. i'm sure hmm could make this much clearer.
Guest Anonymous Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 There is nothing wrong with lett ing apit bull play with other dogs... WITH PROPER SUPERVISION. that is the biggest thing...i bet that person has no idea what a breaking stick is. I couldnt dream of going anywhere without one. I have never had to even reach for it, but i have it always. Its called precaution...pre meaning before. i am ready for an incidne tbefore it happens. i dont restrict my dogs from meeting and playing nice but i am right there and if thing were to escalate I will step in. The point that we are making is this, its fine to have a dog that isnt driven, but its foolish to think that it never could be. to say its all in how you raise them is not only foolish, its dangerous. for its when you are not prepared for an accident that it occurs. thats what makes it an accident.
Guest Anonymous Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 Just a note for Mmmmmm.....instead of being mad at the people that have friendly Pits and have seen friendly Pits you should be happy for them. If your Pits cannot be around other dogs than it is very responsible of you not to take them anywhere. But you should be glad that there are Pits that can play with other dogs. That can go to dog parks. May be we can change the way everybody looks at them. There is always a risk involved but when handled with care it can be done....
Guest Mutts4Me Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 [quote name='drjeffrock']Muttsforme your avator rocks! :wink:[/quote] Thanks! It was kind of time consuming, cuz I was holding a treat over the camera, and Sasha preferred to put her ears back, woo at me, and/or lunge for the treat... and all I needed was a tail wag. But we got it finally, and I love it. I really like your new signature, picture, too. They're so cute together :)
Guest Anonymous Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 Wow, I really should have been keeping up with this topic instead of reading it all at once :roll: First off, there's one thing i noticed that no one else seemed to and has been a big misconception. And I THINK I have it clear, Julie correct me if I'm wrong... Acording to her posts way back in like... the third page... Julie didn't have (was it eight? or ten... I can't remember if it was eight in ten years or ten in eight years... ) all those dogs one after another die and get another one. There were a couple like that, but at one point she had a litter of a believe it was 8 puppies (and the mama too??) get posioned with anti freeze... that's how I interperted it anyway, correct me if I'm wrong. Everyone's had very good valid posts. I totally agree with the side about the pits being prone to dog aggression. I think the people who are making them out to be perfect angels are not seeing the point, and are basiclly using selective hearing (I guess seeing in the case of reading...) [b][u]No one[/u] said NEVER LET YOUR DOG PLAY WITH OTHER DOGS!!![/b] But if you are going to, MAKE SURE you know your dog well and WATCH YOUR DOG. [b]NEVER[/b] let your APBT around other dogs, 'pecially those of the same breed [b]UNSUPERVISED[/b]!!! Ever watch kids on a play ground, or better yet remember when YOU were a kid on the play ground? Someone can be you BEST BUDDY until they step on your toes (sometimes litterly...) and offend you in some way, the next thing you know that person is your WORST enemy! The next day you may be back to being friends as well, the same goes for dogs. In this case, because the APBT has such power and tenaciousy, this will to NOT give up, and always win is a very bad thing to have if your dog feels it needs to defend itself. Things will turn ugly very quick in that situation, and like someone said, is only putting another dent in the APBT's reputation!! Not like ONLY APBT's can flip out if someone looks at them wrong! That's insane to think! I had two dogs get in a fight right on top of me once, one dog it's nose torn, but nothing more serious then that thank god. One was a Lab, the other an Australian Shephered mix (oh, the Aussie mix wasn't Hazel in case people who know me are reading this and know of her history with dog aggression :wink: ). These dogs were AWSOME together, and neither would hurt a fly. Totally nice wonderfuly tempered dogs. They got in a squable over food. Thank god it was split up and no serious injuries. But imagine that one or both of those dogs were APBT's and no one was around to supervise? You'd come home to an injured or worse, DEAD dog!! I even feel uneasy about leaving other breeds together without seperating them when no one is around! It's just too risky in case a fight breaks out and no one is there to stop it!
Guest Anonymous Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 it was a litter of 8 pups 6 weeks old. I let the mom and her pups out for some fresh air. i went in the house for 5min came back the pups where fine then. Later that night they started acting like they where drunk, took them to my vet he gave them the blood test came back with atifrezze in there system. The only thing i can do then was put them down. I don't live out there anymore. did not get another dog for 5 yrs . thats when i got little man AMERICAN BULLDOG. 3 YRS later i got Juvie. We bought a house when littleman was a 1yr old. Nothing like that has happened here. I have had Juvie and Littleman for 3yrs here in this house. Just have to watch walking them.
Guest Anonymous Posted February 21, 2004 Posted February 21, 2004 Its Hmmmm Not Mmmmmm. I am not mad at people with friendly pits. All of my APBTs are friendly, to people. I dont get mad if someone has a pit they can have around other dogs, as I have had them as well. What I do get mad about are pit owners who deny the dog aggression engraved in the breed. I get mad at people who own pits and have no concern their dog might fight with someone elses dog. Who think there is no way their pit will fight with another dog. I dont think people with that mentality should own pits. You are contributing more to the negative side than you think. How many people do you think say their pits arent dog aggressive? Then a few months later their dog kills someone elses, and guess what? Another mark against the pit bull because of ignorant, irresponsible owners. So, you take your dog to the dogpark?!! Accident waiting for a place to happen. ANY PIT OWNER SHOULD THINK HIS DOG WILL FIIGHT!! There is more that goes into a pit bull than any other breed. You have to be much more careful and you should always hold the assumption that your dog will fight. He may not start it but he will finish it. And regardless of who started the fight it is the pit bull who will hold the burden. Try to educate youself about the breed. [quote]If your Pits cannot be around other dogs than it is very responsible of you not to take them anywhere. [/quote] I have a dog with me [u]everywhere[/u] I go. BUT, I keep them on a leash and carry a breaking stick. If a strange dog approaches I will pick my dog up. Even dogs that havent ever showed aggression to other dogs are treated as though they may fight at any time. I dont normally think people who allow pits around other dogs as bad owners but I do know they are way too uneducated to own pit bulls. If you havent noticed most of what you see in the media is from people like you. People who thinnk their dog wont fight... Hes just too sweet. No such thing when it comes to pits and other dogs. Do you know how to break up a fight if one does break out? One more thing... I really hope your dogs life is worth allowing him to be around other dogs with no precautions. Cause if something does happen, he will have to pay for it with his life. Then again, you probably dont care much since you went through so many dogs already and did nothing to stop it.
Guest Anonymous Posted February 21, 2004 Posted February 21, 2004 Well i don't why u keep yelling. some dog fight some don't not all dogs are the same. accept it. u have your opion then we have are's. Let us worry about what a are Pit's do. :angel: Don't get mad but thats my opion and some other pit owners to.
Guest Anonymous Posted February 21, 2004 Posted February 21, 2004 I dont have a problem with other peoples opinion but what we are talking about is not opinion but fact. It is a fact that pits are dog aggressive. Of course,if you would read up on the breed you would know this. :roll:
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