TLCPETS Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 New year new priorities, I really know you are good with genetics.But it does take time and understanding.As you know my breed is Chihuahuas and I love blues. I have come to think the color. Alopecia is coming from the breeding of Fawn to blues and blue to blue.I think the link in blue Alopecia in Chihuahuas stems from the dilute to dilute breedings.The blues really got big after the Fawns(taco bell dog)I know you are a schnauzer breeder but know genetics pretty well.If I breed black and white and blue together can I still get my blues without having to worry years down the road about Alopecia.Ther must be a way and I do love the blue coloring.It seems like the darker the blue the better the hair coat and the lighter the blue the thinner the coat.There is a way, if No-one can find a link between fawn (dilute) and blue (dilute) being what causes Alopecia I will stick with Blk/Wht.I really want to get a healthy blue going but will not jeopardize health over color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 UM TLC? So? Why are you making this thread? What is your point? to impress me? If you truly want to learn, read books, meet mentors that have experience raising quality animals in your chosen breed. I have told you this umpteen times and you seem to refuse to listen. have you bought the books i've recommended? Have you met people that breed consistently top examples of your breed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 First of all, I do not know color genetics all that well. I don't have to. My breed only has 3 allowable colors. And anything else goes back to crossbreeds. What I do know about dilutes is yes they can be susceptible to alopecia. And there are blues that are not dilute. There is a fading gene also. Have you read the book the Inheritance of Coat Colors in dogs or websites based on that book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 [url]http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/1495/disorders.html[/url] Here are disorders in Chi's There is a page 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Very informative site. Thanks for sending it. I don't have Chihuahua's but the information is relevant to several breeds. WD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLCPETS Posted January 17, 2003 Author Share Posted January 17, 2003 [quote name='Jacsmom'][url]http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/1495/disorders.html[/url] Here are disorders in Chi's There is a page 2.[/quote] Thanks Jacsmom.There are lots of places on the net with good info.I have lots of them bookmarked and read alot.I still get links I have never found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 [quote name='sandyb']First of all, I do not know color genetics all that well. [b]And there are blues that are not dilute. [/b]There is a fading gene also. Have you read the book the Inheritance of Coat Colors in dogs or websites based on that book?[/quote] Blue color [b]is [/b]the result of a dilution gene. [b]All[/b] blue color...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poofy Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 Hobbit, the Kerry blue is due to the G series, not dilute series... it all depends on your percetion of "blue". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 [quote name='Poofy']Hobbit, the Kerry blue is due to the G series, not dilute series... it all depends on your percetion of "blue".[/quote] That is a greying gene found in the Kerry Blue Terrier. Since the conversation centered around "blue" Chihuahua's, not one that is born black and gets greyer with age, the comment about blue's not being dilute could be perceived as false (because she also mentioned the greying gene). So, again...(true) blue is always a dilution of black. All colors of blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poofy Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Yes, your right, true "blue" is dilution of color..the trick though would be trying to help some one understand the difference so that the genetics could be worked out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 It's hard to explain what the color actually is sometimes without seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLCPETS Posted January 19, 2003 Author Share Posted January 19, 2003 [quote name='Poofy']Yes, your right, true "blue" is dilution of color..the trick though would be trying to help some one understand the difference so that the genetics could be worked out...[/quote] Yes but 2 blues and a black in a litter from a blue and a brown sable makes it hard.And then three blues from a blk/wht female and a blue male all the puppies are from light to dark blue makes it harder.You can tell by looking at littermates the darker the blue is the better the hair coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poofy Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 Well that tells you your sable is carrying the blue gene. Its not that difficult. Let me ask you this, what color do you get when you breed blue to blue of any shade? Do you always get blue? Or do you get another color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 [quote name='TLCPETS'][quote name='Poofy']Yes, your right, true "blue" is dilution of color..the trick though would be trying to help some one understand the difference so that the genetics could be worked out...[/quote] Yes but 2 blues and a black in a litter from a blue and a brown sable makes it hard.And then three blues from a blk/wht female and a blue male all the puppies are from light to dark blue makes it harder.You can tell by looking at littermates the darker the blue is the better the hair coat.[/quote] There is nothing hard about it, at all. We've went over the blk/whi to blue mating and why there were blue puppies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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