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I smell $hit, do you smell $hit? I do. You are so full of $hit primmy it isn't even funny anymore. You OOZE it infact. I do find it humorous that you dodge those same questions repeatedly, over and over and FINALLY at the end of all this so far you decide THEN to insist that our managers here are doing all this and ironically enough THAT post wasn't "censored" within SECONDS of it being posted. Funny how even if we were to say for instance that the mods nor admin has nothing better to do than to sit on this board day in and day out, how not one person, member or not, has yet to step up and say... "yeah, I saw that info posted here, she said she has a...blah blah blah." Not ONE... and this is a pretty damn busy forum morning, noon and night. You and honest are like oil and water and you have just about as much depth. You and hands on dog knowledge are obviously non-exsistant since you STILL have yet to answer the question. Take your PBSL BS and "knowledge" somewhere else. :roll: You are a waist of webspace.

No worries K. Everyone here saw it for what it was. A complete load of BS as it slew from her keyboard onto this board. As I read it my eyes rolled and I'm sure everyone elses did too. We saw it for what it was. She turned tail and ran the other way when she was confronted with only the obvious truth. She decided to lie and didn't just lie and say she had dogs (because that would be wrong right?) She had to bring other people into it and lie about them instead still not really answering the question here and that truely shows her character and it's a sad, pathetic one at that.... She knows that and for the record Prim I can knowingly say not one persons eyes here are closed to it. The blame card you shuffled out Prim was as obvious as (like I said before) everything else you regurgatated and spewed. And thats why she left. Hopefully she's out looking for a new hobby. [quote]AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitty Porn!!!![/quote] :lol: :lol: :lol: Thats exactly what I was thinking... :oops: :oops:

[quote name='xfiled']Prim does NOT hate Pit Bulls; she DOES have dislike for the hoards of irresponsible breeders and owners. She understands the Pit Bull problem to be the likes of which does not face any other breed. And she looks to US, the responsible breeders and owners, to help find a solution. [/quote] Interesting..... xfiled carla.... if you truely believe this and you are not primmy yourself please show us where you got this theory from. What in her words (verbaitum) have you read that truely causes you to honestly believe that this is the case. I would like to see it and the source of reference(s) on where you clearly came about this "theory". I miserably fail to see where you could possibly even remotely get that opinion.

[quote name='primorse'] Of course, most dogs eventually give up howling when they are miserable when nothing ever changes. [/quote] Not that you OBVIOUSLY would know from your own personal experience or anything.... :roll: Or anything you've said for that matter. Keep on regurgatating what you've ....read and continue having opinions about it while you're at it. No big deal since we are all aware that this is how it is with you. At least we can see through the cellophane. Kinda like telling a surgeon how to operate based solely on what book you read...

BTW is no one concerned about the Kitty Porn here? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XwDlAtoeRQo31tpavop05LOBfOf2FI6y3VWQLIRhxu53WDOp1m3ySVFUAbI3uFRyXHugFHE9sRrRsoaBrV37eOmIY8fnDpUlGqs5hdG4taDdGr0410LWou352T3KKFN0zXbmnzEh58k/Munkeewithall3kittys.JPG?dc=4675475960839410270[/img]

Edited: Pointless...Forget it...

To me I always thought putting dogs who are already have the tendencies to be animal aggressive and territorial on a chain within a good view and distance of other dogs or animals....even (or rather [b]"especially"[/b]) if it is for their saftey, always seemed a bit...like dangling chocolate in front of me chained up. I don't know if I could handle that :-? :lol: If it went on for days on end I would NOT be a happy camper either... *Seems* like it would promote the aggression to me more than anything, but thats just my take. I can't speak from experience with these breeds though. Never owned a pittie, or rot. Other than my dobie thats the hardest tempered dog I've raised. Had I raised my dobie this way I'm positive she would have turned out pretty bad because we had some really bad issues with her in the beginning raising her. My lab would probably have been perfectly fine because of her natural submissiveness and lack of drive. At this point in my dobies life I don't think with all the work we've done with her she'd turn out that way if there was this change. It all depends I guess... Not the way I'd choose to raise a dog or prefer to see one raised.

lock it and second vote for banning...the last comment was way out of line...along with many others. That was the deal breaker.

There is a difference in suggesting that you don't prefer a particular breed in a mature tactful manner than to suggest it is ugly and mean and proceed to name off which ones and why... That is not grounds for discussion those are grounds for looking for and instigating a flaming match, I don't care how old you are or how you grew up common sense tells you that. For the record, that is not what this forum is here for. If you want to have a discussion (which I honestly don't believe is the case since your actions in the way you state things speak louder than what your words are... (please don't "play dumb" with us we are not stupid))... then discuss and be mature about it. If your motives are other than that please leave. Play dumb all you want, I don't think many here are buying into it.

Damn it! I missed all the fun!!! :lol: :( :lol: :( :lol: :( Congratulations everyone! Ya done did good! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

[quote name='K'][quote name='Hmmmm']I have seen on the other boars, primrose, that you are not welcome. You enjoy putting down pit bulls and think BSL is a good idea, huh? You are nothing but an instigator, and it seems the other boards feel the same about you. I am going to ignore anything you happen to post and hope others do the same.[/quote] [color=red][b]GOOD POSTING!!!![/b][/color] I'll buy into that for a dollar![/quote] So would I.... infact I'd spend 100 just to shut her up for once. After a couple posts I just don't even read them anymore. Funny how her opinion is ALWAYS opposite of what the majority think. And by majority... I mean MAJOR MAJORITY. She is the only reason I left some boards before I even started because I was sick of her constant bickering and yapping against everything everyone had to say. It was always an arguement or debate no matter what. You couldn't just have a conversation it always had to be a debate with opinions flying everywhere. Didn't matter what it was... she disagreed. (Ahem... TROLL) Good grief get a real life... You have made it obvious everywhere you go that your number one goal is not to make a vaild point but to stir up trouble. For the love of god if you told her your grass was a beautiful shade of green she would say "get it right, it's actually a combination of blue and yellow" :roll: Get a clue, no one cares anymore what you have to say at any board anywhere for a reason... Please lock this rediculous thread...

I wish you the best Aurora. You know your dog better than anyone here. I know you have a hard road ahead of you. Take care...

:o :o :o AHHHHH! Holy cow, dobe overload!!! Must..! leave...! NOW....!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Growing weak... I have to say the "no namer" has me suckered. She looks like she's so sad and lonely :cry: :cry: :cry: I like Mitzi A LOT too. She's a cutie pie.

Hey Aurora. I'm certainly sorry to hear about your problem here. What kinds of training have you tried with your dog? What kinds of things have you done to try and deter her or train her out of these things? Just to let you know the site that I run deals primarily with aggression and dominance issues among many other types of training and discussion. I would definately suggest coming over and let us get an idea of what you've been dealing with, and how you've been dealing with it. Maybe we can find out if this actually is solvable or managable before you actually decide take the plunge? I'm serious these people are amazing. My dobe would not be alive today without them. These people have learned how to manage and train these issues. Some of them do it as a daily profession. My link is the banner in my sig.

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Here is an article that lokipups wrote. [url]http://dogden.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Questions&action=display&num=1074722872[/url]

[quote name='Aroura']I'll check out your forum properly when I find some more time, from what I've glanced at it looks pretty good though! Right now I'm happy to say I've just finnished the first draft of my assignment! :angel:[/quote] Whatevers clever :) It's always nice to have new members of course but It's not really like that... I don't want to like I'm being pushy to get people in my forum or anything. I just like to throw stuff out there if I think it'll be helpful. People are always welcome if they want [b]of course[/b] :D Sometimes I just throw things out on boards because it sparks more discussion too which I like to see in certain topics. I'm a debater :D (ha...I could make that into a bad joke right now but I wouldn't want it taken the wrong way :lol: ...nevermind. I'll shut up.) Good luck with your assignment!

Yeppers...spring...I'm going with probably allergies

:lol: :lol: :lol: Well I would definately go by what they say. I'm definately not an expert on the subject. I haven't even begun BARF ....YET. So far my knowledge is pretty limited. I haven't done toooo much reading up on it. Just a little and mostly what's been posted on my site and other forums from other barfers. People on my site posted that before and I've kept it for reference to pass around. I've read a little but not much yet. It is a great forum! That one post was started just a few days ago. That was what led me to believe it was best to mix maybe. Her dog actually died from this about two days ago...a little scary but they think it was possibly cancer related as well which I just learned. I will be switching to raw once I get settled in my own house but not until I research it and know a little more on it. Probabaly should have mentioned some of this earlier :oops: :oops: :oops: sorry :P

From reading up I've found it's healthier to mix meats. I just recently had a thread that may be helpful with this. [url]http://dogden.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Health&action=display&num=1081853910[/url] Here is a GREAT Raw Feeding forum [url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/[/url]

Welcome to dogo newbies! :D My name is Brooke I own two dogs, Kuma a lab/shep 3 yrs and Peeka Boo a Dobie/Weim 1.5 yrs. She has had aggression and dominance issues since we got her but she's doing GREAT now. We have come very far! Hope to hear more about your dogs. Pics??

[quote name='Lokipups']Unfortunately vets get none or very little in the way of behavioral and training education, they have to focus on the health of about a dozen different species, so it really doesn't allow them to learn about specific animal behavior. And that's what keeps me in business :lol: . [/quote] EXACTLY. Remember vets can offer a medical standpoint... (although I wouldn't particularly agree with many vets in some areas) Behaviorally you have to remember they have little to no experience in unless they use their off time researching and learning about. It is a common misconception that people believe veterinarians are a one stop shop. Many vets get a little over their head in that area too. Remember they aren't miracle workers and they don't have all the answers or even the right ones many times. I would never leave every answer in the hands of my vet. They give me their opinion and I research their answers and get from other places. You have to get out there like you are right now and find more than a biased view. I also agree that accepting littermates is not most of the time a good idea. While it may work for some depending on the temperaments I think given that you are having issues at 5 months and the fact that they are littermates...it is GOING to get worse no matter how much alpha you work into the schedule. They will do a lot better in separate homes. It's kind of like sibling rivalry. No matter what kind of diciplining goes on it's between the personalities the spats can be pretty bad. There isn't much you can do. Structurally littermate conditions work a little differently than two strange dominant dogs. They aren't as easy to get through to.

$120! Geesh! They can have all my dogs teeth for $120 a pair :lol: :lol: :lol: JUST KIDDING!!!! It's gross but at least it's going to a good cause :D

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[quote name='doglover']Who's to say that combining the two breeds would not have at least a marginal chance of pulling the better traits from both parents? And if it failed, it wouldn't be any worse than [b]either[/b] parent singularly. [/quote] **Cough cough** Don't forget if it failed and got BOTH sides [u]worst[/u] traits combined. You convieniently left that part out for some reason. I can see where that wouldn't be an important factor though, right? Seeing how thats one of the main reasons the abandonment and surrender rate is at an all time high now.