Horsefeathers!

Mouse, I'm so sorry. Rest easy, Gladis. :(

I'm so sorry, Mouse. I send wishes for the best possible time together, and that Gladis's passing will be peaceful. :(

Don't forget to include some antibacterial wipies and some hand sanitizer in all of that. Would hate to see her get off somewhere, pick up dog poo (baggy or not), and then handle the baby.

Crap, Tammy, I hate that you even had to make that decision at all. Still, never forget that you saved those critters' lives. You didn't abandon them at all! Best wishes to you guys.

Well, doo doo, I can't just let this thread go by without adding my two cents since it'll probably be locked in the morning. :P I may be in the minority on this, but Kiwi does not fit my definition of a BYB, and I have no problem with her ethics, at least not from what I've seen unless you guys know something I don't. My mind doesn't always see everything as black and white, always or never, any of that. That's all. :)

While I think they may be seriously misquided or... wrong, even, I don't think they're trolls. I un-vote for a ban. :P

Tammy! I'm so glad you're safe! I HATE that you're in the position you're in. I was wondering if your critters were through your rescue group, but then I realized (big fat DUH) that the people you work with are probably in the same shape as you and unable to take critters. I don't even know why that went through my mind other than it's late and I'm stuck on stupid. I wish there was something I could do to help. Is there no reasoning with the man? Will he not negotiate somehow? Man, I hate this! I don't know where in FL that is. I could probably take a dog that gets along well with other dogs, and maybe a cat, but I don't have any way to take them all since I'm pretty much wall to wall dogs and cats now. Let me know if I can help. I'll do whatever I can which may not be much. :(

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Great! I was just kind of worried that they hadn't made it. You're quite welcome! :D

[quote name='courtnek']they said dad (finally!@!!) said they cant climb the fence, but why not? my dogs are nice to them... [/quote] I'm glad you won the battle, but that has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard someone say. I mean, aside from the dogs being in the yard, does this man just not get the idea of boundaries and respecting them? "Why not?" :o I hope no one ever asks me why I won't let their kids climb my fence. Because it's mine and I said so. :o One kid did get bitten by one of my dogs several years ago when he climbed my fence. His family, rather than trying on the concept that maybe he shouldn't be climbing fences with strange dogs in the yard, called animal control on us and complained. He got in trouble; we didn't, since our dog wasn't at large and was current on her rabies vac. Thankfully, it was a pretty cool animal control officer. We did have to put signs on our fence after that, though, warning about dogs on the property... I reckon for the idiots that don't actually see the DOGS there. As much as I hate government intervention in every aspect of our personal lives, there are just some days that I think people should have to pass a test and have a license to breed. :-?

Meant to ask before now... Did you ever get your coupons? LL from P3 got hers about two weeks ago. I was hoping you had gotten yours. :oops:

If you're lucky, Hmmm, the report will cover all areas of it. It just wasn't a good sign to me when the blurb simply said, "what makes Pit Bulls so dangerous...?" Maybe there will be some huge cosmic screw-up and the person researching and reporting will be more objective and insightful than the little bald guy in charge of pimping the story.

I only just caught the blurb, but from what I gather, The Early Show (CBS) will be doing a report on "what makes Pit Bulls so dangerous..." and discussing breed bans. The little blurb I got made it sound (of course) awfully biased. "What makes Pit Bulls so dangerous..." already seems a bit inflammatory, IMO. For anyone interested...

Holy crap, this thing has turned out to be a real mofo! You guys stay safe, and I'll be thinking of you. Best wishes and good luck!

Better than the rednecks we have around here. So far, the only types of people interested in adopting a dog like her are p*ssed because she's "fixed." :-? I've kind of played the sympathy card a little, but no go :oops: . She's had some interest... just not the kind of people I'd want to see her end up with. Then again, this is a really rural area, so it can be pretty slim pickin's, anyway.

I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said. I just wanted to say a big hiya and glad to see you around. Give Hailey a skritch for me, and I hope it is indeed nothing serious.

[quote name='WoofNPurr'] The group took in a pit mix pup almost 3 years ago. Despite a crazy number of obedience classes, advertising (T.V., radio, newspaper) and adoption events, the group still has him. We will probably always have him. In contrast, during those three years they have placed around 300 poodles and poodle mixes. Do you think it would be a good idea to take in more pits OR more poodles? [/quote] I know where you're coming from. Earlier this year, I had a little tiny long haird Chihuahua with several years on her... certainly no puppy. I sent a handful of emails out about that dog and got literally TWO pages of emails in response from rescue groups and individuals wanting that dog. People were virtually bidding on her. I have now a little seven month old Cocker puppy being treated for ear infections and demodex. Not nearly as much response as for the Chi, but still didn't take but a couple of days to arrange placement with a group. I have a three legged Dobe that's been here for about a year, and it looks like she's going to be staying. I've sent out emails and made a lot of effort to get her out there and get her exposure, and no one wants her. She's the sweetest, most well mannered dog in the world, but she's just not a "popular" dog. If I had to be all about volume (which thankfully I'm not, but I understand where most rescue groups do have to take volume into account just for the sake of getting more animals adopted out), I'd never have been able take her. It doesn't mean the rescue groups favor Poodles or any other little fluffies, or that they're dissin' Pits or Pit mixes or Rottie mixes or any of the other "less popular" dogs. It's just that those are what the public wants. :(

The receptionist is kind of in a holding pattern. She REALLY liked that job, but she said she doesn't intend to be a punching bag, either. As far as I know, he's not apologized to her because he still feels like he's right on all his "issues" since she IS an employee. The more I've dug into it, the more it looks like most of this was pushed up by another longtime employee... a girl that's been there forever and pretty much runs the clinic. This gal is flaky and is constantly going on and off head meds, so her frame of mind is never consistent. Anyway, just more freakin' drama. I HATE drama! Anyhow, it looks like one whole gigantic misunderstanding based on the words of someone who had no clue what was going on. The receptionist isn't sure yet what she's going to do. She's kind of like me... doesn't want to quit outright (but would if it took it), but we're broadening our horizons and keeping options open. One of the reasons I chose to work for myself is because I hate office politics and drama. :-?

I went in to work yesterday, and he followed me all over the building trying to talk. I just told him to bugger off and that I didn't want to talk right then, and he just kept following. He finally cornered me in my little space and more or less shouted "I'M TRYING TO APOLOGIZE!" So he humble apologized and told me that he had been upset about something else and I was pretty much in the right place at the right time and he took it out on me and blah blah blah. He said how he was just SO sorry and knew he was wrong and how he didn't mean it, blah. I didn't let him off that easy. I still gave him an earful and told him that I can understand that people have shitty days, but I never intend to be his verbal punching bag again. Actually, once I opened my mouth, I let 'er rip and told him a lot of things. I told him that I'm not afraid of him because he can jump up and down and thump his chest, and I used Mei's words... told him that he must obviously mistake my kindness and silliness (since I'm sort of the class clown of the bunch... surprise, surprise, aye?) for weakness. I told him I've never expected charity from him... and he butted in that he wasn't attacking my integrity and didn't mean for me to take it that way. Crap, how else would you take it? Anyway, he apologized all over himself and I still gave him an earful. While we were "talking," I found out the staff in the front was kind of forming a betting pool... they were taking bets on whether I had him in a headlock, a full Nelson, or if I just had scissors to his throat. :o He spent the rest of the day kind of goofing around and acting like nothing ever happened, but it's taking me a while to let it go. I lost respect for him on SO many levels. :x

Oh, I forgot the good news... a nearby rescue group is taking the little Cocker puppy at the center of this whole mess. I told this knobhead from the beginning that I was just taking the dog temporarily... not that it should make any difference. So anyway, little Mo has a bright outlook ahead of him. That's one good thing to come out of it.

I have no doubt that this jerk probably has some underlying personal issues. Hey, we all have crappy days. I'm sure I've snapped at people inadvertently when I've been under stress before. I can accept that this happens with people as a human trait. I just can't accept the red faced, kicking, screaming temper tantrum he directed at me, or the barrage of personal attacks. He's going to find out that I'm not going to be his verbal punching bag unless he's willing to let me "vent" on him the same way the next time I'm p*ssed off about something totally unrelated to him. Nah, he'd never stand for it. He demands respect. Too bad he thinks he's the only one that "deserves" it. From what I'm told, though, he called today to try to apologize. Pheh... Want to know what's funny? Just today, on an international grooming board, I saw an ad for a job in a shop in my town which is not the same town I work in. I would be working much closer to home. While I despise the idea of sharing workspace with others (my biggest joy is to close my door, turn up my music, enjoy the dogs, and to h*ll with everyone else), I don't feel so trapped now. At least now if it turns into me indeed telling him to naff off, I won't stress over feeling like I have no options. Mei, I love what you said about mistaking kindness for weakness, and I've included that in my written list of bullsh*t. Thanks.

Mei, I have no doubt that you're right. However, I just don't understand why it bothers him so much. Crap, I'm PAYING him for any vet services, so I don't get what chaps his *ss about it. In that town, there is a couple that has about ten or eleven dogs. They live in the city limits where there is a limit of two (I think... certainly not more than three) dogs per household. When animal control comes sniffing around their place a few times a year, this couple loads up dogs and board some of them at the clinic. These are some of the nastiest, mangiest, most matted dogs you could ever see. These are people who truly do mean well, but just aren't able to pull it off. Many, if not most, of these dogs are just tied up around the property. These people think they're "saving" them. Anyway, my whole point is that he boards their dogs, vets them, whatever they need, and he NEVER berates them about how many they have, even though they own them illegally. He has never, not a single time, ever been able to give me an example of how I neglect my dogs, or why I shouldn't have so many. They get decent food, Canidae which I buy from HIM, heartworm prevention (more money to HIM), all surgeries and treatments and medications as needed (cha-ching, he gets all of that). I've never balked at any services due to cost. Heck, my husband even helped build an additional kennel area in exchange for a $400 surgery. The vet came off on the way better end of that deal because a contractor would have charged way, way more than that for the building he got. I can not figure out for the life of me why he's so irate when I take in fosters and rescues?! If nothing else, it's additional money in his pocket... like this little Cocker puppy that's being treated with oral antibiotics, ear meds, and mange dips. I'm PAYING for all of that. H*ll's bells, one cat and one dog that I took in were animals that had been abandoned at HIS clinic... he was glad for me to take them. What's up with that?! :-?

[quote name='scotty_lvr']Wow :o I can't believe this guy actually had the guts to talk to "HF" like that...did he have a temporary lapse of memory and forget that ppl just don't do that sort of thing and live!! Poor Poor guy he must be ill! [/quote] Why does everyone always think I'm so mean?? [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0YQDrAnIfCzqPoHbo*VO*k6YkVsjsui1KYGfqoPb3PGet0mEYsc71EksSfApXuugKjHdt1Ms4!cD27pQV8nrn8RUrve64le1tkDeZANX!bU0Td22C6GDmQjJa!wd55yrScIFNSN3jEJKoUSCwPRcHqg/crying%20girl.gif?dc=4675436072349453090[/img] Seriously, the receptionist/my friend just called to tell me that the vet had been trying to call (I hung up on him) to talk to me. I'm told he is apologetic and feels bad about the way he spoke to me yesterday. Screw him. We'll talk when *I* am good and ready, not when he feels like he needs to clear his conscience. Either way, I'm not letting it go until I have a chance to... vent. :x [quote]By the way, is this the same idiot that implied that you are a dog hoarder?[/quote] Mei, YES! When I asked him for a reference in regard to the paraplegic Dobe last year, he got all indignant and came out and said I was acting like a hoarder and told me I could not provide the kind of care that dog would need with all the other animals I have. Never could tell me where I've neglected to provide any care or medical treatment for any of my dogs, though, and ultimately did give me the reference because there just was just no reason at all not to. Anyway, I thought about that, too, since this has come up. I was super p*ssed at him last year for that, but that was nothing compared to this. He cleaned that mess up pretty quickly and did not launch a red faced tantrum at me.

Thanks, SG. If he wants to treat me like an employee, his workers comp insurance needs to pay up for me breaking my ankle on HIS time last year. I think I'm going to point that out.