Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 HI, I am looking for a dog. I am looking for a medium to large breed. I am interested in a dog that like water, is easy to train, doesn't bark or shed alot, and is sociable. I want a large dog, but it can't be too big to ride in a car because I do not have a truck. I wanted to adopt from an animal shelter or something like that, but my mother is worried that a mixed breed or a dog that we do not know the history of will have alot of health problems when they are older, what kind of dog do you suggest??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoRedNosePit Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 I definetly suggest the Animal Shelter...if you just want a pet....get one that needs a home before they kill the poor little cutie! Pitbulls are great..very smart, I have seen that they LOVE water...but notmine yet I guess! They are short hair, they dont shed that much and they dont bark, as long as you give them alot of attention, and there are plenty at shelter....the only problem with them is that not many people like thwm because of the news...Hope it helped... Another dog that is not to big and very smart is a heeler of anytype.... I had a quesland heelr that was mixed with coyote...VERY INTERESTING DOG!! LOL She was a bit of a handle but great dog...very smart also! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 [quote name='lfutch']HI, I am looking for a dog. I am looking for a medium to large breed. I am interested in a dog that like water, is easy to train, doesn't bark or shed alot, and is sociable. I want a large dog, but it can't be too big to ride in a car because I do not have a truck. I wanted to adopt from an animal shelter or something like that, but my mother is worried that a mixed breed or a dog that we do not know the history of will have alot of health problems when they are older, what kind of dog do you suggest???[/quote] Let me suggest that instead of a shelter you look for a rescue group that fosters the dogs in people's homes - that will give you a head start on knowing personality and training before the dog is matched to you. Of course health is always a risk in adding any dog to your home - but the risk is worth it IMO. Sounds like you would like the sporting breeds like a lab or a mix? except for the shedding so how about a Standard Poodle in a sensible clip or a Portugese Water dog? or maybe even a Spinone? The Poodles in particular do show up in rescue and are actually fine athletic sporting type dogs despite the silly haircuts they get clipped into for shows :roll: and they can be kept in a sensible clip and many can work as hunting dogs quite well and others do a bang up job as guard/alarm dogs. I've found no one actually does laugh at a 60 pound poodle doing its 'alligator grin' after barking at the door to warn you of company arriving. Strangers seldom realize its a smile not a fang baring by a vicious dog :-) Poodle is from 'puddle dog' and the Standards at least usually like water aren't too big don't shed much and IME normally only bark if there is something important happening. Take a look at [url]www.petfinder.org[/url] and see if there are any rescue groups near you that foster dogs in homes and see if you match up to a dog they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 The only thing about an animal shelter is that you can end up with a dog that might not be what you thought. Some dogs that end up there have been abused and this makes them very timid. My best suggestion to you is the breed I own The bull boxer. It is a cross between a APBT and boxer or an AMSTAFF and boxer. They are everything you described you wanted. I have a couple of websites you can visit if you are interested. you can contact me by email at [email][email protected][/email] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 What about the good old fashioned yellow lab? I can't think of a nicer, easier to handle dog. And I have yet to see one that didn't like water or a car trip to anywhere (especially if it had ducks in a pond or waves to chase likee at the ocean!!!!) I know everybody has one but.... well there's a reason everybody has one, they're great pets. By the way.... I own an aussie, not a lab. But I grew up with labs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 i really suggest the German Shepherd dog, a breed which has all the good things you will need, it is a lovely breed, it loves it's owner with craze, it is one of the smartest breeds ever, it loves water, and it's size is so nice, over medium size, but so nice, not heavy. If u get a nice German Shepherd u will have one of the best dogs ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 Who suggested the Bullboxer? Must be that Trip fellow. He cant even make up his mind on which '[b]BULL[/b]' to use in this mutt breed. But lets not get off the subject of suggesting purebreeds for this topic. I would agree with a GSD being good on all the activities wanted to do with him/her. I would also have to go with a Doberman Pincher. They are all the above and dont shed like the GSD. Of course all dogs, even a mutt, will make great pets and would love spending the time with your family in all these activities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 I would suggest that you get any kind of dog from the gundog group like a retriever, spaniel or wiemeramer. I don't think that a pit bull would be the breed for you. Don't get me wrong i have nothing against the breed but we all know of the horror stories of pitbulls and 99% of the time its an inexperienced owners fault as they dont know how to control. Most enthusiasts of such a strong breed will discourage people who are not experienced dog handlers from having a pit bull. They are also not very sociable in the wrong hands. A rescue dog is fantastic and i would suggest that you go to a breed specific rescue. Choose the breed then research it and choose a rescue by you that specialises in this breed they will give you a lot of info on the breed and even if the dog isn't for you you can take it back. They will support you for the dogs entire life. i would not go for a dominent breed like a shepard or a collie. If you take dogs to classes then it will be sociable. Don't let anyone else force you into getting a breed and do as much research as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoRedNosePit Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 AXEL - I don't think that a pit bull would be the breed for you. Don't get me wrong i have nothing against the breed but we all know of the horror stories of pitbulls and 99% of the time its an inexperienced owners fault as they dont know how to control. Most enthusiasts of such a strong breed will discourage people who are not experienced dog handlers from having a pit bull. They are also not very sociable in the wrong hands. :( - So it has a bad rap? I am a first pitbull owner and she is socialized at least 5 out of the 7 days we have in a week....Its also not hard to control ANY dog as all you have to do is train them how to listen to your voice and your actions and know how to walk on a leash.... As long as you love them they will be fine.....when people come over the house...they will be socialized....take them to a famouse/populare street in your town....it's not that hard...and if you get a puppy you know you will want to take it every where as i did! I know you might have no problem with this breed but I highley support them and I try to tell people it's STUPID people that dont know ANYTHING about dogs that sometimes screw it up.....if you get a dog and just leave it alone and iggnore it it will get mad and turn out a sour apple....any dog willl do that..... :) I'm not yelling at you....just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 [quote name='Underdog']Who suggested the Bullboxer? Must be that Trip fellow. He cant even make up his mind on which '[b]BULL[/b]' to use in this mutt breed. But lets not get off the subject of suggesting purebreeds for this topic. I would agree with a GSD being good on all the activities wanted to do with him/her. I would also have to go with a Doberman Pincher. They are all the above and dont shed like the GSD. Of course all dogs, even a mutt, will make great pets and would love spending the time with your family in all these activities.[/quote] Ok now I am not that trip fellow you think I am. We have researched the original bull boxers and I have described the cross but here I go again. My bull boxer is a cross of an APBT and a boxer there is also the AMSTAFF boxer cross. I frankly dont care how you people feel about this breed. If you owned one you would understand what an amazing animal this is. You people say this breed is a mutt, but if you go back and research the origin of a lot of breeds they are a lot of mutts. that is how they come up with these breeds...by cross breeding them. I am not just using any bull breed in my breeding. One day I do believe this breed will be AKC recognized as I will try my hardest to accomplish this goal. I am an animal lover and have owned many different breeds, but the bull boxer is my favorite. everybody has there own opinion and that is fine, but I have mine and I am so tired of people putting that down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 [quote name='GizmoRedNosePit']snip As long as you love them they will be fine.....when people come over the house...they will be socialized....take them to a famouse/populare street in your town....it's not that hard...and if you get a puppy you know you will want to take it every where as i did! snip[/quote] Come back and tell us this again when your dog is a mature 3 year old. I hope you are lucky with it. The people in the Boston area who's very friendly year old or so pitbull type (amstaff mix they claimed later) were SHOCKED when their friendly dog attacked the pregnant realtor and her toddler son badly biting the mother when she stepped out of her car at the home AND the man that knew the dog well who had just been playing with the dog in the yard got badly bitten when he tried to pull the dog off of her :cry: Everyone agreed that the dog had never done anything remotely like this before and was well known to be well socialized and friendly with everyone and was even afraid of the cat that lived there. This friendly image of the dog is saving the owner from criminal charges because he had no way of knowing his nice pup would do this but I'm afraid the dog won't last long. :cry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 You can not condem a breed because of the actions of a few, we live in the UK and the dangerous dog act caused a terrible backlash, the bad people with the breeds just went underground, Germany has undergone a wave of hatred and terror involving all sorts of breeds, people walking their family pets have been attacked the dogs stabbed, shot, beaten and some even killed, Yes some dogs come from very bad lines, some are incorrectly brought up, some may have a brain tumor, but seriously you can't condem a series of breeds because of that, dogs from every breed about have bitten or attacked somewhere along the line, be it mutt or pedigree, what about cats most people in the world who have come in contact with cats have been sctratched or bitten by one at some point, should we get rid of all cats too. Its hard enough in this world with the anti dog bragade, the press etc. Its the Fight people the abusers the bad breeders and irresposible owners that should be dealt with don't you. :( :( :( :( :( :o :o :o :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 We started obediance classes last night, out of 12 dogs, including my Akita, a Rotti, an APBT and a number of other breeds, the most aggressive dog there was a 10 lb Westy. The thing is, its not good "press" to report about an attack from an ankle biter, you cant get the proper hype out of a story like that, you have to go for the breeds that people are afraid of, like Pits.[yes, I am anti media :wink: ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 [quote]We started obediance classes last night, out of 12 dogs, including my Akita, a Rotti, an APBT and a number of other breeds, the most aggressive dog there was a 10 lb Westy. The thing is, its not good "press" to report about an attack from an ankle biter, you cant get the proper hype out of a story like that, you have to go for the breeds that people are afraid of, like Pits.[yes, I am anti media ][/quote] Westy's do get a very bad press and they are quite an aggresive breed on the whole. Sometimes a bit of bad media is not a bad thing for a breed. Owners of their breed should discourage others from getting their breed if the potential owner is unsure of what type of dog to get. At least with the bad press say about pit bulls then people inthe street won't let there kid run over and jump on the dog and every 'Joe Bloggs' wont go out and buy one because they like the look of the breed. Pitt Bulls have a terrible reputation and in many cases is deserved. This is not the dogs fault but mans fault. We have deliberately bred fighting dogs, unsociable dogs and now unexperienced people want one because they are unusual. Things only get a bad press because there are so many cases. Why are there so many posts even in this forum 'help my pitt is aggresive' or 'my pit attacked a child' you dont get these sort of questions with any other sort of breed. I believe only experienced and worthy owners should be allowed such differcult dogs. [b]GizmoRedNosePitt[/b] states that pitts dont need to be socialised and that people coming to the house is enough. This is terribly untrue and even wioth renowned gentle breeds this is a mistake. Even a labrador can turn into a vicious nightmare without correct socialisation. [b]Gizmo[/b] is obviously a responsible owner who socialises her dog 5 times a week and is obviously dedicated and loves her dog. I was not making a critisism of you or your dog apart from the fact that i don't think you should be reccomending your breed to others as you yourself said its the owners that make pitt bulls bad and irresponsible owners that make pitts have bad press. Why are you recommending this breed to someone who is unsure on their breed and never mentioned such a high maintence breed as the American Pitt Bull? You cannot then critisise the media for jumping on the latest story of someone who didn't know what they were getting and then their pitt attacked someone because they never socialised it just let people visit them? I am in no way putting you down or having ago at you i just wanted to know how you can advertise a breed but not take the bad with the good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoRedNosePit Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 OK, TO EVERYONE I GUESS...... I have recommended the APBT because this person asked...I am giving her/him help.....Yet I have noted that with this breed YOU MUST SOCIALIZE IT AND LET IT KNOW WHO IS THE BOSS AND NOT BE TIED UP IN THE BACK YARD.....Now if this person wants a breed that is I am looking for a medium to large breed. I am interested in a dog that like water, is easy to train, doesn't bark or shed alot, and is sociable Pitbulls are a medium to large breed, likes water, easy to train, doesn't bark or shed alot and is sociable.....now the only way that this would work is if they did research, and get it from a pup and train it, and let it know who is the alpha, and socialize it like the pup is attached to their hip..... I have never owned a puppy and this is my first time and before I got this breed I did go and research to a point that it started driving my boyfriend crazy, and when I got her - the training and socialization started....it's not that hard and it was my opinion.... I do undesrstand that it is bad owners but yet they have to do the work if they want a dog...everyone should know about the breed they are getting so the dog is happier and the owners..... It was my opinion and I dont take it against anyone coming back the way most of you did...but they asked so I answered! Yes, this breed takes alot of time and effert....but if she wants a dog any dog will be......just the APBT is more..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aroura Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Ever considered a Labradoodle??? I think you'll find they are everything you are looking for, plus they do not shed and are hypo allergenic. They are extremely intellegent and absolutly LOVE the water! They are very sociable, love everyone from babys to elderly people and they do not have many health problems. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoRedNosePit Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 Most breeds are fine...I understand that...but I just ahd to mention my type of breed....with everything I said above with it...... But a really great breed is the lab.....they are great little couch potatos most of the time....I loved mine..... Any type of heeler I would also say yes too.....just personally speaking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 21, 2002 Share Posted June 21, 2002 [quote name='Aroura']Ever considered a Labradoodle??? I think you'll find they are everything you are looking for, plus they do not shed and are hypo allergenic. They are extremely intellegent and absolutly LOVE the water! They are very sociable, love everyone from babys to elderly people and they do not have many health problems. Good luck[/quote] OH PULEASE - this is not a breed its a mutt, it does shed and it is not hypoallergenic - I've seen more people giving this poor mix that has a horrid coat to deal with up because they found out they were allergic to it than you can imagine. You must read that quack vet's books on 'breeds'! Depending on the temperament of the parents (the two breeds vary you know in the temperament of the dogs) and the health of the parents and their background the labradoodle may well have more problems in health and temperament than either breed normally shows when they come from a carefully bred litter. NO responsible breeder would produce these mixes (and even the guide dog program that started this mess seems to be giving up on them) and none would sell a dog to someone who plans to breed them leaving only the dregs of each breed to be likely parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 21, 2002 Share Posted June 21, 2002 [quote name='roo']You can not condem a breed because of the actions of a few, we live in the UK and the dangerous dog act caused a terrible backlash, the bad people with the breeds just went underground, Germany has undergone a wave of hatred and terror involving all sorts of breeds, people walking their family pets have been attacked the dogs stabbed, shot, beaten and some even killed, Yes some dogs come from very bad lines, some are incorrectly brought up, some may have a brain tumor, but seriously you can't condem a series of breeds because of that, dogs from every breed snip[/quote] I don't condemn the breed I condemn the breeders and the owners. The pit bulls are great dogs fans here all seem to have very young dogs - what I am saying is they know nothing about what their dog will be like as an adult. Click on - those are the words used by people here about the pit bull - they say you can't tell when the young dogs will finally click on and shock their owners with their reactions. Once you have seen it you can believe that it happens. I'd say the dog I listed suddenly had its territorial drive clicked on in combination with prey drives as the woman and child were afraid of the dog that bit the people. Its literally 'insane' for dogs to attack their own kind in a kill or be killed situation - its against all the dominance rules of the pack but we stupid humans have bred for that in creating the pit bull breeds. We've even created dogs that will kill the opposite sex! talk about anti survival breeding! Add to that we now have idiots who breed the dogs for human aggression tendencies too (a previously completely forbidden trait by people who kept the breed) and then you have the innocent well meaning pet owner who takes home a cute pup and has no idea how the dog will be at maturity. There are way more points to purebreeding than simple looks! You can train and socialized and do all the right things and *still* not be able to overcome heritage - not just in pit bulls either. Ask the sight hound owners if they really think they can train their hounds to never ever chase something in motion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 21, 2002 Share Posted June 21, 2002 gizmorednosepit; you were right pits are awesome dogs if bred right and put in the right homes. look around at temperments and the kind of dog you want then go talk toa few breeders of your chosen breed in your area. good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 [quote name='Anonymous'][quote name='roo']You can not condem a breed because of the actions of a few, we live in the UK and the dangerous dog act caused a terrible backlash, the bad people with the breeds just went underground, Germany has undergone a wave of hatred and terror involving all sorts of breeds, people walking their family pets have been attacked the dogs stabbed, shot, beaten and some even killed, Yes some dogs come from very bad lines, some are incorrectly brought up, some may have a brain tumor, but seriously you can't condem a series of breeds because of that, dogs from every breed snip[/quote] I don't condemn the breed I condemn the breeders and the owners. The pit bulls are great dogs fans here all seem to have very young dogs - what I am saying is they know nothing about what their dog will be like as an adult. Click on - those are the words used by people here about the pit bull - they say you can't tell when the young dogs will finally click on and shock their owners with their reactions. Once you have seen it you can believe that it happens. I'd say the dog I listed suddenly had its territorial drive clicked on in combination with prey drives as the woman and child were afraid of the dog that bit the people. Its literally 'insane' for dogs to attack their own kind in a kill or be killed situation - its against all the dominance rules of the pack but we stupid humans have bred for that in creating the pit bull breeds. We've even created dogs that will kill the opposite sex! talk about anti survival breeding! Add to that we now have idiots who breed the dogs for human aggression tendencies too (a previously completely forbidden trait by people who kept the breed) and then you have the innocent well meaning pet owner who takes home a cute pup and has no idea how the dog will be at maturity. There are way more points to purebreeding than simple looks! You can train and socialized and do all the right things and *still* not be able to overcome heritage - not just in pit bulls either. Ask the sight hound owners if they really think they can train their hounds to never ever chase something in motion....[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 I did something wrong here, tried to do quote and didn't know how to add comment :( GUEST, YOU ONLY QUOTED PART OF MY COMMENT THE REST OF IT SAID. (How do you do this quote thing properly?) See next message.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 [quote name='roo']You can not condem a breed because of the actions of a few, we live in the UK and the dangerous dog act caused a terrible backlash, the bad people with the breeds just went underground, Germany has undergone a wave of hatred and terror involving all sorts of breeds, people walking their family pets have been attacked the dogs stabbed, shot, beaten and some even killed, Yes some dogs come from very bad lines, some are incorrectly brought up, some may have a brain tumor, but seriously you can't condem a series of breeds because of that, dogs from every breed about have bitten or attacked somewhere along the line, be it mutt or pedigree, what about cats most people in the world who have come in contact with cats have been sctratched or bitten by one at some point, should we get rid of all cats too. Its hard enough in this world with the anti dog bragade, the press etc. Its the Fight people the abusers the bad breeders and irresposible owners that should be dealt with don't you. :( :( :( :( :( :o :o :o :o[/quote] I said blame was in the above, the same as you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 [quote name='"roo I said blame was in the above, the same as you did.[/quote'] No there is a huge difference - you think the breed is blameless except for irresponsible people - I say the breed is created to be what it is and so it acts the way it does and people with very young dogs have no idea what they may be facing as the dog matures. I don't care how well intentioned someone is the dog will be what it is desiged to be - try teaching a beagle not to sniff or a sighthound not to chase things that move or a true herding dog not to herd. Even if they do not show the traits as young pups it does not mean they will not when they start to mature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 22, 2002 Share Posted June 22, 2002 I thnk the [b]GSD[/b](German Shepard Dog) is the best breed ever. Yes, their nickname is the German shedder, but combing the dog with a shedding dog comb every day will reduce that shedding up to 85 percent. You can find the GSD in many different temperment types because we as Shepard lovers are trying to change the breed. Padala shepards of West Richland,WA(400 miles from Seattle, WA) have laidback temperments. I have one of their bitches and she never barks and loves people to death. She loves water so much that when were by the river i have to keep her in the car to keep her from getting soaked. She'll even go swimming with me. I know for a fact that all her GSD's are like this because i'm with them all the time. There's another kennels around here that just let their dogs temperment go free and you have these mean, aggresive dogs. All GSD's come from the original herding stock, so they want to be with you 24/7. Please fing it in your heart to pick a lovely GSD because they are the best. Thank you, Puppies411 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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