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  1. :-? There is some good news/bad news on this. The winning bidder of the male pup returned him to the owner, he said that it was an impulse thing and that the pup wasn't getting along with his other dogs. O.k what's wrong here, won pup on Sat. returned pup on Mon. Sounds to me like the winning bidder was a plant for the breeder to try and get the price up and nobody bit or that the ACS is lying again to get us to leave them alone. :angel:
  2. [quote name='Malamum']:evil: :evil: How frustrating. I was really happy when you posted that they had deciced not to auction the puppies, what a let down :([/quote] I know Malamum, got literally got sick at my stomach when I read the e-mail. :angel:
  3. [quote name='HazelNutMeg']Ummm... can someone explain to me what's goin on? :oops: I feel a little in the dark here, what happened? :oops: :hmmmm:[/quote] 3-4 weeks ago, the Rhodesian Ridgeback Club of US (RRCUS) found out that the Abilene, TX office of the American Cancer Society (ACS) was going to auction off 2 RR's to raise money. RRCUS through a series of conversations, appeared to get through to the people there and they promised to remove the pups from the auction. The fundraiser "The Cattle Baron's Ball" was this past Saturday night, October 11, 2003 and even through the ACS office in Abilene, TX removed the RR pups from the auction list they still auctioned them to the highest bidder with a note above the pups pictures that the auction was in accordance to AKC regulations. So basically, what happened is that the only reason they pulled the pups was because they needed to find out if auctioning them was allowed by AKC regulations, not what was in the best interest of the pups or anything that RRCUS had discussed with them. So the American Cancer Society broke their promise to the Rhodesian Ridgeback Club of US and auctioned off 2 RR pups for the sake of the almighty dollar. Well the almighty dollar turned on them and they only got 200.00 each for the pups and it's gonna cost them alot more than that to recover from the publicity damage that they have brought onto themselves. :angel:
  4. [quote name='courtnek']If you can prove this, report them to RRCUS...they have the monbey and legal manpower to do something about it....[/quote] This is the problem, it [b]is not [/b]against the policies of the AKC to auction off dogs. It is a violation of the code of ethics of RRCUS, however you are not required to follow the code of ethics to own an AKC registered RR, you are however required to follow the code of ethics to be a member of RRCUS. The breeder is a BYB and either isn't aware of RRCUS or doesn't care. RRCUS is doing everything that it can possibly do right now to get the American Cancer Society to institute a company policy that bans the auctioning of companion animals at it's fundraising events. It would be great if more breed clubs/rescuers joined and really let ACS know that this is an unacceptable practice in the world of dog fanciers/rescuers. [b][size=6]Please, please, please keep your letters on a professional level, this is not a time to vent your anger, we are really trying to get ACS to understand the importance of not auctioning companion animals and angry letters, threats and foul language will only make matters worse.[/size][/b] :angel:
  5. :D :oops: No pictures, I forgot to charge the battery in my camera. Sally did absolutely great, I am so proud of her. She got to run in the fun zone area and chase the plastic bunny. It's funny while we were in line, she kept looking at me like "mom, that dog is touching me. I don't like all this barking going on around me, make them stop. Mom I don't want to stand in line, where's my brother?" When I finally got to look in the direction of the course, she figured it out real quick and was bumping and barking along with the rest of them, she would then look up at me like "mom, I want to go next, I'm supposed to go next" of course that was when we had 4 people in front of us. She walked all the way back to the car with this big grin on her face. She got a third place ribbon in conformation. :angel:
  6. :-? [quote name='K']This is rediculous...not only have they insulted all of us who genuinely believe this is wrong by continuing to go through with this sale they have insulted the breeder by letting them go without a reserve of at least 750 on them and they have insulted thier own fundraising by allowing them to go for peanuts...what is WRONG with people?[/quote] The breeder is a BYB, selling pups for auction is a violation of the Code of Ethics of RRCUS. One thing is for certain, since they removed them from the program but auctioned them anyways they can't deny ever telling RRCUS board members that they were not going to auction them. :angel:
  7. :evil: Oh it get's better, the breeder was present and she was upset about the pups only going for 200.00 each, she stated that these were very expensive pups that usually go for 500.00 a piece. Most quality RR's from responsible/respectable breeders go for anywhere between 1000.00-1500.00 for pet quality. And the ACS pulled the RR's from the "printed auction list" but auctioned them anyways. I guess they honestly thought that we would not have people there to make sure they were pulled. :angel:
  8. :evil: :evil: :evil: Please everyone cross-post this contact list and write to them. The Abilene, TX American Cancer Society lied to Board Members of RRCUS, they told them that the pups had been pulled from the auction, well they did take them off of the printed program but they still auctioned them at the Cattleman's Ball. David M. Zacks, Chair American Cancer Society - Board of Directors Southeast Division, Inc. 2200 Lake Boulevard Atlanta, GA 30319 Division Manager American Cancer Society Texas Division, Inc. 2433 Ridgepoint Drive Austin, TX 78754 Regional Manager American Cancer Society 209 S. Danville, Bldg. B, Suite 107 Abilene, TX 79605 Division Manager Mid-Atlantic Division, Inc 8219 Town Center Drive Baltimore, MD 21236-0026 Regional Manager American Cancer Society Region VII - Norfolk Office 2730 Ellsmere Ave Norfolk, VA 23513 :angel:
  9. :-? Both Sally and Rocket have front dew claws and I don't have any problems with them, they two will hold their toys with them. Both Sally and Rocket's have broken, but not any more than the rest of their nails, and that's only when I let their nails get too long before having them cut. :angel:
  10. :-? Giving dry food is fine it just takes longer to digest. :angel:
  11. :-? Dew Claws do serve a purpose in all dogs, whether they are house pets, show dogs or field dogs. The dew claw muscles are connected to the muscles in rest of the feet. This helps the feet to remain compact which in turn gives the dog more speed and endurance. The dew claw also allows the dog to manuever sharp turns and fast stops. Removing the dew claw relaxes this muscle and the dog has to learn how to compensate for it. As far as house dogs, most of them can manage fine without the dew claw and in most cases are actually better off since the risk of injury is not there. In show dogs the removal is strictly cosmetic, however show dogs that do performance events would fair better if they had not be removed. :angel:
  12. :D Everyone wish me luck, Sally goes to the show this weekend and I haven't had time to practice her at all. I've been to busy with my day job and helping run the store. I can now sympatize with soccer mom's, I'm juggling two jobs and 3 four-legged kids, one involved in sports. :angel:
  13. :lol: :lol: :lol: just realized old post :angel:
  14. :D [quote name='courtnek'][quote]While I agree with K, Courtnek & Judy, I do believe that blame should be laid on the dog owner who stated to the news media that the kid kept petting the dog while it was eating, this owner obviously knew the dog didn't like it and should have corrected the dog & sent the child home or separated them before the dog bit. [/quote] OK I'm confused...isnt that what I said??? :lol: :lol: :lol: (it's been a LONG workweek already...) ...[/quote] :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry for confusing your Courtnek, I was just mentioning posts I agreed with and putting my own 2 cents in. :angel:
  15. :-? I agree, until we can educate everyone about the need for formal training and get people to understand the importance of choosing a breed that is compatible with their whole household we will always be fighting the battle against irresponsible breeders/owners, puppy mills and BYB's. [quote name='JudyHoffman'][quote]unfortunately the average "joe" does not purchase a pup from them, they buy from BYB's.[/quote] and because of this very simple fact, there will always be dogs that maul/attack children and adults. We can place blame on the dog, the kid, the kids parents or the dog owners, but realistically most people buy a dog having no clue what to do with it or how to do it or want to spend the time or money doing it. The "IT" I am referring to is quite basic, training and socializing. [b]Let's face it, most of us won't have Champion Dogs in most venues, but I do expect to have a well mannered, well behaved dog that I am happy to take along with me wherever I go and with each new dog comes new learning for me. There is nothing that a dog can't teach me ...... [/b] [color=red]I completely agree.[/color] It's really a sad state of things when it all comes down to this, don't you think? :([/quote] :angel:
  16. While I agree with K, Courtnek & Judy, I do believe that blame should be laid on the dog owner who stated to the news media that the kid kept petting the dog while it was eating, this owner obviously knew the dog didn't like it and should have corrected the dog & sent the child home or separated them before the dog bit. [quote name='JudyHoffman'][size=2]Kids are with my dogs/puppies from day one ...... they are asked by me to pull the tail, pinch the toes and tug on ears under my supervision. I ask the kids to take food out of their mouths etc. I try to nip most problems in the bud so to speak. Sadly, most parents don't feel that it is necessary to teach children how to behave around animals ....... which is why most dog bites happen in the first place.[/size][/quote] [quote name='JudyHoffman'] [size=2]These are my opinions about several issues that were bought up. As a responsible dog breeder, at least I try to be, I tell all of my buyers that they must touch the dogs mouth and look at the teeth at least 3 times a day. They should remove bones, food and toys from the dogs mouth all the time, giving high praise/treats for the dog allowing this. If not, corrections should be given thru positive methods. This is not rocket science folks ..... this is part of owning and training a dog. These things come first before sitting/staying/coming etc. They dog needs to be agreeable to human interference whether it be eating or chewing a bone. Reading dog behavior ........ this is a hard one. Ears and tail say a lot. But if you have a dog that is without a tail then you need to learn it's other signals. I notice a lot by the eyes, when my dogs are upset or something is "wrong" they're eyes get very sharp and bright. Body posture is always a tell tale sign of what is about happen. My general rule of thumb is if the dog is already in the throes of barking/growling/showing teeth it is too late to do much, except remove the dog from the offending situation. Dogs give many signals thru their body posture ...... normally at least 2 - 5 minutes before any altercation. Reading dog behavior and removing items from the dogs mouth is part of training and being a responsible owner. It also assesses any behaviorial issues at a very young age. If you can't read your dog's language and if you don't teach it bite inhibition then you will always be on alert when someone is around your dog or you are walking your dog. I do not believe that children or adults should remove food from a dog while it is eating. But if the situation arises, it should be able to be done without a problem irregardless of who does it. Being alert and nervous holding a leash will only travel down the leash to the dog.[/size][/quote] Judy this is the type of training that truly responsible breeders do, unfortunately the average "joe" does not purchase a pup from them, they buy from BYB's. I started training Sally & Rocket at 8-10 weeks old that it didn't matter what I wanted to do I could. I can stick my hand down their throat to retrieve an item they are not supposed to be eating. I will not own a dog that I or anyone else in my household cannot take food away from. I have already had to use this to take things that could harm them away, I have also been in a situation where I could not get to Rocket so I gave him the command to "drop it" and told my friends 10 year old boy to take it away from Rocket, Rocket just pouted like he was saying "bummer, even he can take it away from me". I have also under close supervision had another friends 4 year old daughter tell Rocket and Sally to give her what they had at her command, reinforced by me to teach them to listen to even children that young, I however will not let a child physically "take" something away from them, dogs know that the child does not have the strength to inforce there command and it's my responsibility to teach the dog to respect that child's command. :angel:
  17. :D Kennel names are also used by breeders. My Kennel name is RareRose Rhodesian Ridgebacks. :angel:
  18. :-? Thought everyone should read this. When you post your complaint make sure to to mark prohibited items then choose other prohibited items. [quote]Live Animals Other than the exceptions noted here, eBay does not allow sales of live animals or pets on eBay. eBay permits sales of tropical fish and snails, provided that the seller guarantees in the listing that the animals will be packaged safely and shipped via next day delivery. eBay also allows sales of lobsters, crabs and other similar items that are live when sold but intended for human consumption, as well as live insects, crickets, and worms used as bait or feeder food for pets.[/quote] :angel:
  19. :klacz: :klacz: :klacz: Well said goo: [quote]Education CAN help here also. Let people know the dangers of buying dogs (not only pit bulls) from BYBs, or from unknown lineage, untested parents, etc. Eventually the message will get around a bit, and people will smarten up, then there will be less support for the BYBs. Couple that with a "neighborhood watch" type education program where people can learn to identify potentially dangerous dogs, and you'll have much more luck weeding out bad dogs and owners before they can overgrow the rest of the garden. Of course, enforcing existing laws would be a huge help in this effort as well, and I also think that people with a record of owning aggressive dogs (obviously they're doing something wrong) or abusing pets should be banned from ownership. [/quote] :angel:
  20. :-? [b]Everybody [/b] has some great responses. Michele I feel the same way but the points that pit-curious are bringing out of us are things that need to be known. My feeling about it is that this could be used for a public-speaking debate, as pit's questions are the negative/media profile and our responses are the positive attribute rebuttal. Good luck with the debate pit-curious if that is your true intention. [quote name='Michele']Gooey and Court's posts.......excellent..........something in my gut is telling me that Guest's questions are for another purpose..I could be wrong, but that is what my gut is telling me.....sorry.....[/quote] :angel:
  21. :-? [quote]Okay but if the video was a reinactment and the point was made with a bite trained dog, why then was the dog not biting the forearm where ther are trained to. why then did the woman not have on a bite sleeve and who in thier right mind would allow a pit bull to bite a fully exposed hand? the dog then was hit in the head rather hard i might add with a thick dowel, it hurt so it let go but when the animal control officer tried to run around the guy that was trying to help her the dog renewed its attack. he then jumped on its hind legs and started biting her in the chest and neck area. the dog was struck agian and then the owner finally cgot it back into the house. while the office limped away to her truck moaning and crying. I have seen protection and shutzhund trained dogs, this wasnt one of them. [/quote] Can't answer that since I have not seen this particular video. I am not saying that somewhere, somebody could have actually video taped an actual pit bull attacking someone, but this is not the norm and the video would begin by stating that this was a true event and the quality of the film would be obvious that it was a home video. Now on a note about it being a re-inactment, the dog would obviously be throughly trained and the blood and gore would have been done by make-up artists and/or computer animation. [quote]and its a vicious cycle, the more they hype up how bad the dogs are the more thug type people want to have one, the more they breed the worse the dogs are the, the more they are in the news.[/quote] This still goes back to educating the public and breeders. You can't rightfully dictate who can own what here, that will only lead to more dictator type laws, you have to start with education and enforcement of the existing laws for the people (thugs) who break them. It will take time but the more you educate and enforce laws the harder it will be for those people to get the dogs. You will never be able to completely control what people who are H*** bent on breaking the law can have access too, all you do in banning things is make sure that only they have it, and that goes for all things, dogs, guns, etc...... :angel:
  22. :D [quote name='Sanvean'][quote]i only wish that you were the only people with pit bulls unfortunately not everyone is o intent on a well mannered dog. they like it when a dog shows aggression and praise the dog for it which makes the dog do it again. they want a dog that is on the end of its leash, its intimidating and its "so cool". [/quote] I wish the folks here and people like them were the only ones with pit bulls (or any dogs!), too. [color=red]Sadly, the pit bull, because of its muscular appearance and dog-fighting history, has so much appeal to thugs and other types who want a "mean dog." That's why we need MORE responsible pit bull owners, to show the world how wonderful these dogs can be![/color][/quote] And the place to start this: IS NOT in BSL but in enforcement of the existing laws which make it illegal to fight any breed of dog Education Accurate media coverage when it really is a pit bull that did the attacking, the media should point out that this is not supposed to be typical of the breed, but is the product of irresponsible breeding and uneducated owners. :angel:
  23. :D Another thing about hounds. Being stubborn is a sure sign that they have figured you out and just don't want to do it not that they are dumb. They learn really quick and that is not necessarily a good thing. When your trying to teach them something and you think they are not listening it's because they learned it the very first time and don't feel like they should prove it to you. :angel:
  24. :-? [quote name='pit-curious']Okay i know that any dog can be dangerous... you have got to stop using that as a main point of your rebuttal.[/quote] That is the main point! Regardless of what breed [b]ALL[/b] dogs can be dangerous and should be raised in a responsible home that is aware of that particular breeds traits [quote]Any dog can be dangerous but few dogs can be as dangerous as a pit bull. There is going to be a huge differnce to the type of injuries sustained when a person is the victim of a pit bull attack compared to most any other breed. Once a pit bull starts the attack that great tenacity you guys like so much makes them keep attacking until they are either dragged off by the owner or the person can no longer fight bak. The ability to tune out pain makes it almost impossible to defend yourself from an aggressive pit bull. [color=red]There is plenty of reason to be afraid of a badly treated pit bull[/color].[/quote] You have re-inforced the main point here. It's not pit bulls that are the problem, it's breeders that are breeding poor temperments, owners that are not properly educated in how to raise a pit and owners that are using the dogs for illegal activity, ie fighting. You can not blame any particular breed for it's reputation given by the media. We would be having the same conversation about Dobermans if that was the breed of choice for these irresponsible breeders and owners right now. The only difference in the damage that a pit does over any other breed is in HOW that dog was raised, Breed a German Shepard from an unstable line then train it to fight and be aggressive and you've got the same exact problem. [quote]I know that they are supposed to be extremely human friendly and [color=red]when i was talking about aggression from breeding i meant toward dogs, when i talk about aggression from how they are raised i mean human.[/color][/quote] This statement acknowledges that you are aware that the pit bull has to be trained to be aggressive towards humans but that it has dog aggression. So what is the problem, if bad breeders breed poor temperment lines you get dangerous dogs, if good breeders breed stable temperment lines you get great family dogs that will love you unconditionally, (and that means they will still love you even if you abuse them). [quote]And as far as that video being a reinactment- NO WAY. the way that woman screamed and tried to pry her hand out of the dogs mouth, the look of fear and pain in her eyes. the dog lunging at her chest and face, that dog had no formal training it was trying to eat that girl. maybe we are talkinga bout different films[/quote] Wow, then I guess that every realistic horror movie made must be real and not fake. That rationalization is absurb, reinactments are supposed to look real, that's how they get there point across. :angel:
  25. K, I agree, the average person can't handle a Doberman or a Rott either. [b]Any[/b] breed that has the instinct to be protective of it's home and family is not a breed the average person can handle, these breeds need to be in homes where the people understand the pros and cons of the breed's characteristics and are willing to teach and enforce the obedience that is necessary for the dog to be a functioning member of society. This includes but is not limited to Bully breeds. [quote name='K'][quote]the average person cant handle them[/quote] Sorry just picked up on this...the "average" person can't handle one no because they are not your "average" dog..we are people dedicated to the athletic, intelligent, sensitive sides of our dogs natures..I am more than an "average" owner...running,cycling, walking,grooming,training,playing,laughing,rolling around on the carpet,cuddling,kissing.. I do it [i]all [/i]every single day..because these dogs deserve it![/quote] :angel:
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