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  1. :wink: :lol: [quote name='DogPaddle']Kiwi - NP. Do you think darkmystery will be back?[/quote] DP - I don't think this topic was as controversial as s/he thought it would be. [size=1]ie. didn't start an argument[/size] :angel:
  2. :-? My mom's GSD lived to be 13. RR's have an average life span of 10 years, although I am hearing more and more reports of them living to be 13 plus years and a few as old as 15 years. Sally and Rocket come from long-lived lines. :angel:
  3. :D Thanks Didn't know about the finger trick, that would have really been very helpful when I was helping to bottle feed Sally and Rocket and all their litter-mates. We had to teach the pups to suckel the bottle and boy can some of them burb pretty loud. If you don't mind, I would like to add one thing. It is very important for the first 2-3 weeks to make sure the pups stay warm, without this warmth they cannot digest the food and/or formulas. :angel:
  4. :D Black GSD is right, reputation can be permanently ruined by just rumor. Offer to help your mom with the pedigree to see if you can locate the temperment culprit. If she has always have a wonderful line it should be easy to locate the line she bred to that brought the problem into hers and she can work backwards. As experienced as you feel she is, she should be experienced enough to know how to locate the culprit and what breedings will correct it. Good luck :angel:
  5. [quote name='courtnek']Thanks Rosebud - she is a sweety, and does love me (and Freebee) unconditionally. If she's outside and I come out she does this screaming run over to me, [color=red]then bruises me with that whiplash tail of hers....lol[/color] I do want her to somehow get over being afraid of Kyle though. She is less afraid of him then she was, but she's still afraid...I really dont care if she doesnt like his friendsl I'm not fond of some of them...maybe that's projecting to her somehow.... but thanks. She is a sweetie.... :D[/quote] I keep a bruise on the back of my left knee that looks like a dog tail. They can really put some force behind that thing. Good luck, Court. :angel:
  6. :D Your welcome, Labadore. I have the utmost respect and admiration for two types of dog people. The first being those people who have dedicated their life to rescue work, the other being those breeders who take the time to make sure that their pups do not end up being tended by rescue workers. Unfortunately, there are more breeders, some of which are considered responsible breeders, who turn dogs of their breed over to rescue workers to rehabilitate. I hope for one day soon to be able to have enough acerage to be able to take in fosters and rehabilitate them, to also be able to hold training classes for new dog owners to attend so that the various dog breeders in the area can be assured their pups will receive proper socialization and training and to educate the public (new owners) of responsible dog ownership. While I do intend to breed RR's for (genetic) soundness, I can not do so with a clean conscious before first developing my own personal rescue plan. Back to original topic which this is my final word on the topic. How many BYBreeders considered what they would do IF [b]every pup[/b] they placed came back to them, a Responsible [b]B[/b]reeder already knows what they will do and will actually state it in their contract. The two main points to realize when deciphering the difference between the BYB and the [b]B[/b]reeder are these. A [b]B[/b]reeder does [b]ALL[/b] of the health tests and [b]will not breed [/b] without satisfactory results. The BYB considers it a burden, and might do just the hips in order to get a better price. A [b]B[/b]reeder will stipulate what will happen to the pup if things don't work out, ie. "You have to bring the pup back to ME!" A BYB basically says to you "Yeah, right." :angel:
  7. o.k. I said I was done with this topic, and I am in fact done with it, [b]however[/b] I do need to say one more thing. [size=7][b]My hat is off to you Labadore,[/b][/size] [quote name='Labadore']I'm sorry guys that I'm on a rant right now, but it makes me angry to think that dogs are being killed this VERY second for no good reason whatsoever. [color=red]That's why I will NEVER buy a puppy and why I will ALWAYS discourage my friends, family and work colleagues -- and in fact, everyone I meet not to buy one either and of course to spay/neuter their dogs.[/color][/quote] Have you thought of joining your breeds rescue organization and becoming a foster home. I am sure that they would be so greatful to have someone like you with them. :angel:
  8. :wink: courtnek, Laurel is a hound. Being scared ****less is not normal, she should be laid back and aloof. I will venture to guess that she was probably mistreated by a male (hunter probably) and when they broke her spirit she wasn't worth keeping. Hounds have gentle spirits which are fairly easy to break. Physical discipline is a BIG NO! NO!, they respond a lot better to just being made to feel bad, a firm scolding. The difference in her personality is evidence that she simply does not trust men and has bonded with you. She feels safe in your presence and KNOWS that you will "Back Her Up" if she needs help. You got a sweety Courtnek, she loves you and is now willing to protect you from the BIG, BAD MEN! :angel:
  9. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Well Sally and Rocket got me up at the usual biological clock time 6:30, only with daylight savings in place the clock time was 5:30. And Sally knows when she's going to a dog show, the only thing that is done differently that morning is I wear a certain pair of boots that I ONLY wear to the shows. :angel:
  10. [quote name='darkmystery'] :roll: Ok. So, What you are calling "breeders" really sounds more like a non-profit organization. Those people really aren't breeders. These are people that every so often mate there dogs! It really isn't to make dogs for people to own and enjoy. People should be able to own a certain breed and of course you try and put them in good homes. A spanish inquisition is not necessary. Like I said, people have really gone crazy throwing out these "backyard breeder" and "puppymill" labels. People that do are acting as if they are :modla: higher than thou :modla: & self-rightous. People put down others just to give themselves a feeling of being better than. Now, there are puppymills out there. You know, the ones that do not give health care to there dogs, crowd them, give them no heat or cooling, no love and they live in cages all the time nor nearly all of the time. [b]The label backyard breeders was made up by the higher than thou's that realized not all were not puppymills but still were not as high up as what you laid out in your message. So, you had to come up with some kind of label for those not as good as you.[/b] What you laid out as "breeders" aren't even breeders in the first place! They shouldn't even call themselves breeders!!! :bad-words:[/quote] I'm sorry darkmystery but it sounds as if you are sour maybe because you have tried to purchase a dog from a Breeder and were turned down, or you're trying to start a fight. [b]Breeders [/b]are hobby breeders who breed while keeping in mind the welfare of the dog(s), the breed and what will happen to the offspring and their offspring. [b]BYB [/b]are hobby breeders that do not care to prove that the dogs they are breeding are sound enough to breed or what happens to the pups once they get PAID. [b]Mills [/b]don't care either way. I'm sorry if you are sour to Breeders but quite personally I would rather buy a pup from someone who is reponsible enough to give the third degree, make sure that breed is suited to my family and lifestyle, someone who cared enough about the breed to research, compete with and test the dog for health related diseases than buy from a "wham, bam, thank you mame" type person. That is my final say on this topic to an obviously hostile newbie. :angel:
  11. Rosebud

    Neutering Age?

    [quote name='3ofakind']The only long term effect found in multiple studies on both dogs and cats is that the early s/n often ended up being taller. [color=red]In the absense of the hormones it takes the growth plates longer to close and causes to grow slightly taller. [/color]Some also believe that pups neutered early get "puppy brain". Basically they think removing the hormones too soon effects mental maturing. Depends on the owner if this will be a problem.[/quote] Erin - this is not a simple problem, it is a serious problem. A lot of bone and hip problems are a result of how these growth plates develop. Any alteration should actually be done on a dog AFTER the growth plates have finished developing, this is usually well after a year of age. During the growth stage any dog is susceptable to serious growth related injuries, this risk is magnified if for any reason, especially early alteration slows down the growth rate of the bones and plates. [quote]Recovery time will be almost nil, the new anesthesias used now are much easier to measure and administer in small doses. In fact the ONLY reason (except for thats just what they learn in school) most vets say to wait is because of the administration of the anesthesia. [color=red]Many feel it is too difficult and unsafe to administer the anesthesia in such small dosages.[/color] Years ago, with the form of anestesia they used, this was true. However, new anesthesias are much easier and complications are rare.[/quote] The reason most responsible vets want to wait is because the dogs neurological system is not developed enough to handle even the smallest amout of anethesia, even the new ones. While we are not really seeing any significant signs in our pets, the damage is there and under certain circumstances can be very harmful. :angel:
  12. :D With her moaning and barking, that tells me she wants to play with the other dogs. The dog park [b]and[/b] enrolling her in obedience classes is going to be your most productive way to socialize her. You should keep her on lead at the dog park until you are confident of a reliable re-call. Good luck. :angel:
  13. :-? [quote name='darkmystery']:bad-words: I just have to say that some people really go overboard with the backyard breeder and puppymill thing. Not everyone can have acres of land and a actual "kennel" facility. You can build a nice area in a backyard. You could even in a garage. In a garage it is even indoors and they might have cooling in summer and heat in winter! Even an official "kennel" facility can be ill kept. Just having an official facility does not guarantee fantastic animals. [color=red]This is true, anyone can breed dogs and not everyone can afford state of the art facilities. However, [b]B[/b]reeders will not breed a litter if they can't afford to, they have time and money invested in pedigree research, health tests, proper vaccination schedules for the parents and the puppies, not to mention membership dues to their particular breeds parent club. They have high long-distance phone bills from constant communication with other breeders about you name it, the next show, a particular dog in a pedigree, an upcoming litter, who's line has health issues......, then they have legislation to contend with, and of course they have the possibility of having to take back a pup they placed every day of their life.[/color] News flash, even people competing in Crufts and other big shows have been charged with animal abuse and p*** poor environmental conditions. And for some reason, some people think you have to show in order to be legit and have good dogs. People in Crufts have had winning dogs, but do not take proper care of them. Then there could be someone who has dogs in there backyard, loves them, cleans, gives them fresh water in a clean green free bowl, takes them to the vet, gives them heat in winter, brushes them if they need to be and you call them "backyard breeders". It isn't right or fair. Maybe some do not breed on a grand scale and do not need a complete "kennel" facility. [color=red]This is true as well, however the purpose of conformation, showing is to get what is supposed to be unbiased professional opinion on how well your dog represents the written breed standard, unfortunately there are people that abuse any system that is set in place. The purpose of the National Parent Breed Club is to help individuals looking for a companion animal weed out these people. There are also tons of [b]B[/b]reeders who only breed a litter when they want a pup, yet they still spend the tons of money it takes to make sure that the pups born will be sound and able to perform the job they were bred to do. There are also tons of working lines that do not compete in conformation, yet they have working titles which appear at the end of the name.[/color] Breeding dogs for profit is another issue. Well,those that do have an official "kennel", they are running an official business. They have a tax ID #, and are registered with AKC! And here in the US, business is for profit...capitalism. Think of a restaurant. Some are big & fancy and some are a little dive mom and pop place. Does that mean the dive restaurant is evil and no one should eat there? Only eat at the fancy restaurant? No. Some have a fancier facility for there dogs than others. That does not mean don't buy from the place that has dogs in the backyard. And MANY kennels breed more than one breed too. They have a good number of dogs. Hummm. Doesn't that make them a puppymill? [color=red]Again you are correct, However as hard as it is to believe the [b]B[/b]reeder is not in the business to make a profit, they are running a business that is part hobby, part love of the breed & part accepting the reposonsibility to perserve the breed. Some are registered with the AKC, some are not. Registration with the AKC is not proof that you are a responsible kennel, however I for one would be suspicious of a kennel that is AKC registered and does not in any way try to prove their stock in any AKC sanctioned event.[/color] [/quote] A Breeder is not in the business of making money, they are in the business of making sure that the breed they love, does not end up in the wrong hands that could endanger the reputation, health and future of the breed. A BYB breeder is in the business of making money and doesn't care about much of anything else except how much that litter of pups will sell for, how fast they can get rid of them, and how much will the newspaper ad cost. They will use tons of excuses as to why this, why that but what it will eventually boil down to is that they don't want to spend the money making sure that the pups they breed will be the best that they can do and that they will actually make a substantual contribution to the gene pool of that breed. A puppy-mill doesn't care about anything, just the dollar. :angel:
  14. :D I'm so happy for you Court. It sounds like she was the PERFECT baby for you. [size=2]Don't let your guard down, now is when she will really start munipulating you into her getting her way. [/size] :angel:
  15. :D Just got a call from Ms. Bryant. This is a [b]STATE POLICY [/b]and they have forwarded their reasons on to the corporate office in hopes that the other states will follow them. :angel:
  16. :D Be very proud of them, and know that you are safe with them around. :angel:
  17. :beerchug: :B-fly: :laola: [b]PERMISSION TO CROSS POST![/b] Below you will see the formal statement made to Ridgeback owners from the Texas Division of the ACS. [b]Please note that this policy change is only for the state of Texas. [/b] We now need to continue to make our voices heard at the national level. [b]Please take the time to email or call the ACS offices in Atlanta, 404-320-3333, [url]www.cancer.org[/url] to find email form, to let them know this should be a national ACS policy.[/b] Letters are one of the best ways to be heard. If you don't have time to write your own letter, simply print out the new Texas policy, write please adopt this policy nationally, with your name city and state on it and send it to: American Cancer Society Atlanta 1599 Clifton Road Atlanta, GA 30329 We have made a difference with our diligence in Texas, lets make a difference nation wide!! [quote]October 17, 2003 Dear Rhodesian Ridgeback Rescue member: The American Cancer Society understands the concerns expressed for the two Rhodesian Ridgeback puppies auctioned at our gala in Abilene, Texas on October 11 and we value the input given by the various rescue groups and their members. We have considered stepping away from raffles of companion animals for some time and now feel it is time to move forward and make it our business practice to not conduct raffles or auctions of companion pets. Our organization has been in contact with the Rhodesian Ridgeback Rescue Associations to discuss the issues around the breed, and the importance of providing the animals with a safe, appropriate home. This has been a productive two-way communication opportunity that has resulted in a positive outcome for the puppies involved. We appreciate the input from Christy O'Keefe of the Texas rescue group and Pam Mathews of the national association. The American Cancer Society, Texas Division shares the view of the rescue groups on the importance of responsible pet ownership and understands the sizable commitment attached to caring for an animal. Sincerely, Jackie Bayly-Bryant VP for Communications American Cancer Society, Texas Division, Inc. PO Box 149054 Austin, TX 78714-9054 [email][email protected][/email][/quote] :angel:
  18. :oops: [quote name='DeafAussieLover']thank you rosebud. my husband thinks the same thing. he's very glad that they acted the way they did. he is very upset that they acted like this because he wasn't here to help me and get the guy to leave![/quote] Your welcome. My mother has always taught her GSD's to trust her, however if her dogs did not back down when she told them it was o.k. [b]she trusted them[/b] and would ask whoever the stranger was to leave and she would very politely tell them, I'm sorry but would you mine leaving my dog doesn't like you and I trust her judgement. Case in point, My mother's last GSD, Shelby, never liked her son-in-law, she eventually accepted him because my mother told her he was o.k., but she never allowed him to have free movement in the house while he was alone. Come to find out, he can't stand the family, is abusive and actually encourages his children to not have anything to do with his EX-inlaws. Shelby was right. :angel:
  19. :D [quote name='sheltielover'][quote name='ellieangel']K is my friend...end of story.....so is Shara and Marion and Mouse and Sheltie and Malamum and Kiwi and Jen and Behle and Angelboddy and so on and so on (sorry if I forgot you I would have gone on for ever),please don't belittle the friendships we form on here they are important to us :( I'm sorry but the only difference between these friends and the ones I see often is geography........the ONLY reason I don't pop round for coffee is because I can't.[/quote] Well said, Ellie!!! [img]http://www.kurts-smilies.de/kiss2.gif[/img][/quote] Well as far as friends go, if I had the money I would travel the globe visit with everyone of you so that I could say without any question that ALL of you are my friends. Dal you are my friend and I think that you are a fine one. You love your dogs, want the best for them and are eager to learn more on how to care for them, especially Cody. I will miss you. :angel:
  20. :-? I know that Dal is leaving but I really want to add some perspective into this. First Dal congratulations to your pups for being good protectors. Now, since I read the post, that is how I read it. These two pups don't have problems with strangers, they don't mind well, but then again it's never been an issue. Seems to me that Zoey and Cody knew something Naomi didn't and they were letting bad guy know it. This is cause for rewarding them, they did what they were supposed to do. However, if a dog is being so determined that you have to put them in another room or a crate, then one of two things is happening. The first is the dog needs more training so that when you say it's o.k. they can stay out to protect you IF you are wrong. The second being that the dogs are RIGHT and what you should do is politely ask the stranger to leave and have a different tech sent out. These two boil down to being able to read your dogs behavior and regardless of the samoan beating Zoey, Cody should have backed down and since he didn't I am more inclined to believe that there may have been a real danger, maybe not an immediate one but one none-the-less. Dal, Be Proud of your babies and don't put them up if they are trying to protect you, encourage them to remain calm so that they can be there by you if you need them.
  21. :D Your yard and fence are very lovely. you are making me want to go back to N.C. I haven't been since my grandfather died, he had 13 acres in Rutherfordton. :angel:
  22. :D Thank you TD for the the correction and explanation of the difference between amino acids and essential fatty acids and what flax seed is and is for. [quote]poor quality foods often use feed grade grains that have been deemed unfit for human consumption due to contamination from mold and other toxic substances[/quote] This is another point that came up in the article I read about what dogs are really allergic to in grain ingredients; the mold and chemicals and not the grains themselves. [quote]i disagree with rosebud about the "ton of vitamins added" indicating a poor quality food. many top quality brands have quite an impressive list as well, it's simply an effort of the manufacturer to add back into the food what was lost during processing and to ensure that sufficient levels will still be present after the product has been sitting on a shelf for a while. [/quote] while I do agree with you on this, my comment meant that it was interesting for him to add a ton of vitamins to an otherwise poor quality food and that "if he was using quality protein/vitamin/mineral sources this list would only contain the [b]supplements that are destroyed during the cooking process[/b]." Thanks for the link, I will be sure to check it out and have added it to my favorites. by the way: I feed Eagle Pack Natural and absolutely love it. :angel:
  23. [quote name='mydogroxy']you can also buy premade raw from [url]www.aplaceforpaws.com[/url] i just started roxy on barf and ordered from them. she absolutely loves AND the prices are totally reasonable.[/quote] Can this pre-made barf be added to kibble? I am really, really, really considering altering Sally & Rocket's diet. I am considering using more real food and just using kibble as a stable. I am aware of how hard it is for a dog to digest kibble and don't want to ween Sally's pups straight onto kibble since the dog's digestive system is designed to digest raw meat. I would like more info, so that I can go ahead and get her started, I don't want to change her diet at all during the 6 months prior to her being bred, if I do end up breeding her. As of right now I have a year to work with her on a change in diet. :angel:
  24. [color=blue]Poultry By-Product Meal, Poultry Fat (mixed tocopherols Perservative)[/color] While Beef By-Product Meal is great for a dog, Poultry By-Product is a BIG NO! NO! It's nothing but junk and I am very disappointed that this is the only meat source for protein. [quote][size=2][b]Poultry By-Products/Chicken By-Products[/b] The clean parts of poultry including [b][color=red]bone, heads, feet or entrails[/color][/b]. Does not contain feathers. If from a particular source it may state so (i.e. chicken by-products, turkey by-products). A good source of protein, and fat.[/size][/quote] [quote][size=2]Meat By-Products/Beef By-Products/Lamb By-Products The clean parts derived from mammals. It may include [b][color=red]lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, liver, blood, bones, stomach and intestines[/color][/b]. It does not include hair, horns, teeth or hooves. If from a particular source it may state so (i.e. beef by-products, lamb by-products). A good source of protein, and fat.[/size][/quote] [color=blue]Ground Corn, Wheat Flour[/color] While I am impressed that these are being used in whole form, I am not wild about them being used with such a poor source of protein, these products should be used with a better protein source to balance the protein/carb ratio. This food has more carbs than protein. [color=blue]Dried Beet Pulp[/color] This is nothing but a filler used to firm up dogs stools, it should be way down the list of ingredients. With this listed at the top they are having to add a lot of it to keep the dogs from having runny stools. This is not used as a sugar, the sugar and water are extracted leaving nothing but the fiber. [quote][size=2][b]Beet Pulp[/b] The dried residue from cleaned sugar beets which have been extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. A good source of water-soluble fiber.[/size][/quote] [color=blue]Flaxseed[/color] I am actually impressed that this food has some kind of amino acid, even though I don't know a lot about Flaxseed. [quote][size=2][b]Flaxseed[/b] The product obtained by grinding flaxseeds. An excellent source of essential fatty acids.[/size][/quote] [color=blue]Animal Digest, Corn Gluten Meal[/color] More fillers and very poor quality ones at that. [quote][size=2][b]Animal Digest/Digest[/b] The material that results from the chemical and/or enzymatic breakdown of clean animal tissue. If from a particular source may be labeled as such (i.e. chicken digest). Used to enhance the palatability of products.[/size][/quote] [quote][size=2][b]Corn Gluten Meal[/b] The dried residue from corn after removal of the starch, germ and bran. An excellent source of highly digestible protein.[/size][/quote] [color=blue]Yeast Culture, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Dried Egg Product, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 supplement, Niacin supplement, Ferrous Sulfate, Maganese Sulfate, d-Calcium Patothenate, Maganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Thiamine, Mononitrate, Copper Sulfate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Calcium Lodate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Sodium Selenite, Cobalt Carbonate, Rosemary Extract, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K Activity)[/color] Very interesting that he has to add a ton of vitamins and minerals to his "high-quality" dog food, if he was using quality protein/vitamin/mineral sources this list would only contain the supplements that are destroyed during the cooking process. He also has not added the essential digestive enzymes (probiotics) that are necessary for proper digestion. ie. Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Solubles and Bacillus Subtillus, Lactobacillus (yogurt) Here's an excellent article. [url]http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=79[/url] Here's a list of definitions of pet food ingredients [url]http://www.petsmart.com/articles/article_6349.shtml[/url] :angel:
  25. [quote name='courtnek']is there an email address available? I will send a (non-volatile, I promise) letter stating how I feel about auctioning dogs off for ANY reason... no one checks the buyer, no one makes sure they would be a good dog owner...etc... thanks Rosebud.[/quote] I just sent my e-mail to the generic contact us and choose the option ACS sponsored events and complained about that particular event. The Cattle Baron's Ball in Abilene, TX Make sure to mention the one in Abilene, there was one in Detriot the same night but they didn't auction any animals. or you could contact either one of these individuals For all media information about the American Cancer Society lobbying efforts, public policies/issues, state and federal legislative initiatives, and our work with federal agencies, contact: Unice B. Lieberman Director, Advocacy Communications Washington, DC Office: (202) 661-5710 Mobile: (202) 549-0095 [email][email protected][/email] Rachel Tyree Manager, Advocacy Communications Washington, DC Office: (202) 661-5710 Mobile: (202) 276-7843 [email][email protected][/email] :angel:
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