Seijun

Yikes, glad I got my Shilo out of there. I just hope the IL mentallity does not rub off on my state. ~Seij

Here is the other Saffire, she is the third one on the top row. It's not a very good picture, but she looks almost exactly the same as the timber you posted. [url]http://luv2howl.org/Rescues.html[/url] ~Seij

WOW! :o She's gorgeous! She looks a lot like a high content black wolfdog I know of from somewhere else who is named Saphire as well. How old is she? I bet before long she is going to start turning silver, I absolutely love the color black wolves and wolfdogs get when they start going silver. :D Thank you so much for the picture. ~Seij

[quote]I'm thinking a GSD's temperment isn't going to water anything down. [/quote] Sorry... I'm not a GSD expert. My relative had 3 or 4 though and they were WAY easier than what I have read on sibes. I guess sometimes it depends on point of view also. What is easy for one person may be a nightmere for someone else (my relative was fine with the GSD's, but is having one heck of a time with the little chihuahua mix she just adopted). ~Seij

Huskies like to roam; they have high prey drive, are very independant thinkers, very high energy, and also good escape artists. They can be wonderful companions for the right people, but be aware that a husky is not an easy dog and does take a lot of work. The GSD in the pup, hopefully, should be enough to water down the husky temperament a bit for you if the temperament of a pure husky seems too imposing. ~Seij

Doesn't surprise me... They seem to like banning things in IL. :roll: Just hope it doesn't rub off on my state. ~Seij

Sorry about that... (Computer problems :x )

I've seen these guys before; this person came to our adoption list wanting help placing them. It was discussed a few times but I think it was then taken private because I haven't heard anything more on it. Though, they are definitely not high content. The white one could pass as pure husky. It's a bit harder to tell from the pics of the grey one, but it looks low at best, and is probably just a husky mix of sorts. I can't say that I really see anything in either dog that would lead me to think they were part wolf. The white one if I remember correctly is very social, and I would HATE to see it end up in a sanctuary. I hate to see any wolfdog end up in a sanctuary unless it is so terrified of humans that there is really no hope of finding it a private home that could properly care for it or where it would be happy. A wolfdog may be part wolf, but many who are social crave human attention much like a regular dog does and it

Whoever came up with the idea that dogs' mouths are cleaner should come meet my dog, that'd make them rethink it BIG TIME. :wink: ~Seij

Yay :D Someone who might be able to help! Ok, my question is (for you or anyone else with experience with unsocialized dogs), in unsocialized dogs, do they ever exhibit one or more of the following behaviors: -Frequent pacing in kennel -Nervous and shy -Head lowered, intense stare -Makes wide circle around strangers before slowly coming in with head down; jumps away at slightest indication of danger -Very cautious, watches everything How common is it for an unsocialized dog to exhibit all or the majority of these behaviors? If it isn't too much trouble for you, could you write up a short description of what behaviors in particular you are seeing in these puppy mill dogs, or perhaps describe in some detail the specific behaviors you have seen in other individual cases? Are there any behaviors that are common in unsocialized dogs but which I did not mention in my short list? ~Seij

Does ANYONE here have experience with an unsocialized dog, preferably experience with more than one and with unsocialized dogs in a shelter setting? (By unsocialized I don't mean just a little shy, I'm talking a dog that might not want to come near you for weeks, even months). PLease speak up if you do!! ~Seij

What a cool dog :D He looks like the brindle GSD's that used to exist a long time ago. ~Seij

Why steal a dog anyway? There are thousands in rescue. ~Seij

Not [i]exactly[/i] dog related, but close enough! Rae [Evening Earth] Ott claims to rescue wolves and wolfdogs (wolf hybrids). To say "rescue" would be a serious stretch of imagination. Her "sanctuary" started in 1998. Soon she would acquire over 40 wolves and wolfdogs. In the end, more than half would be dead. The remaining animals were salvaged from Rae's "care" (if by care you mean small, dirty pens, no vaccinations to protect from distemper, and a forced vegan diet). Think that's the end of this story? Think again! Rae is back, and has been attempting to acquire more wolves and wolfdogs in the hopes of starting yet another sanctuary. Please spread the word! Do not aid, assist, or support this woman in any way, be it through donations, helping her to acquire more animals, or any other such means! The world must know the truth, now would be a great time to start. To read about what Rae has done, please visit: [url]http://houstonpress.com/issues/2004-04-01/feature.html/1/index.html[/url] or, for more detailed info: [url]http://users3.ev1.net/~pamthompson/nawa.htm[/url] For pictures of the conditions these beautiful animals were forced to live in scroll to the bottom of this page: [url]http://users3.ev1.net/~pamthompson/the_real_story.htm[/url] Rae's contact info is as follows, be on the lookout for it-she's currently on the hunt for new volunteers for her sanctuary! Company Name: North American Wolf Association Address: 23214 Tree Bright Lane City: Spring State: Texas Zip Code: 77373 Country: USA Hiring Contact: Rae Evening Earth Ott Phone: (281) 821-4439 Fax: URL: [url]www.nawa.org[/url] Email: [email][email protected][/email] Also be aware that this woman is a GREAT writer. She will try to justify her own actions and vilify those who tried to stop her and believe me, I know from experience that her words can be very convincing. ~Seij

What sort of training do you have on identifying common dog breeds? Vets seem to be the new "experts" when it comes to identifying dogs so I was just wondering what training they have to allow them that privilege. I've always had the impression that they were only taught medical info. ~Seij

I wonder if that lady ever has a daughter if she will have the girl's head shaved to avoid being cruel by brushing it...? Come to think of it, did this lady even [i]have[/i] hair? I mean, if brushing is so cruel, and she has long hair herself, I wouldn't even want to associate with her as she would obviously have been torturing herself by brushing her own hair :o I wouldn't trust a person who willingly tortured themselves! <*heavy, HEAVY sarcasm*> :drinking: :roll: ~Seij

:o [quote]Brazilian man threw mother to pit bulls - police 14 Jan 2005 18:49:45 GMT Source: Reuters SAO PAULO, Brazil, Jan 14 (Reuters) - A Brazilian man arguing with his 88-year-old mother threw her into a neighbors' yard where two pit bulls mauled her to death, police said on Friday. Painter Luiz Polidoro, 48, picked up his mother Maria and pitched her over the yard wall during an argument on Thursday afternoon at her house. Two pit bulls tied up in the neighboring yard then savaged her and she died later in hospital, a police spokesman said. "He is an alcoholic. He was robbing his mother's pension money so he could drink," the dogs' owner, Helder Bento Rodrigues, told O Estado de Sao Paulo newspaper. Polidoro told police his mother had jumped over the wall on her own. The newspaper said he had tried to rescue her. When police arrived, he was cradling the blood-soaked woman. Polidoro has been jailed in Sao Paulo and charged with murder.[/quote] [url]http://www.alertnet.org/printable.htm?URL=/thenews/newsdesk/N14627010.htm[/url]

Please welcome the Bog and Deep! [url]http://tinyurl.com/6eplf[/url] "The Bog (bull/dog cross) was first created in Mexico near the mid-1800's as part of an experiment to produce a fiercer opponent for bull fighters. The Bog however turned out to be a relatively docile creature and so their breeding was halted. Bull/dog crossing picked up again for a short time (6 years) in the 1950's in Texas due to the efforts of a private rancher who aimed at creating a more intelligent breed of cattle with increased strength for working activities. Again however the Bog proved to be nothing but a failure. These new Bogs often displayed extreme friendliness towards humans and in their over zealous attempts to greet their owners, were known to have crushed at least 10 people. Breeding of the Bog was quickly halted out of fear that they would claim even more lives. As this dramatic photo shows ( [url]http://tinyurl.com/6buke[/url] ), such fears were not to be underrated." [url]http://tinyurl.com/3klne[/url] "The Deep was created in 1965 through interbreeding dogs and sheep in an effort to create a guard animal for sheep that could bond to them more closely than traditional livestock guarding dogs. The Deep, a very friendly creature, lacked the mental independence however to actively guard sheep flocks. It might have had a chance as an attractive pet if not for its inability to be house trained." ~Seij

I would also like to add though that there is one breeder I know of who produces F3's and 4's within the 50-60 or 70% range, but she has worked at it long enough that even with the high F#, her pups are pretty well uniform in their basic appearences. Once you become familiar with her animals it becomes very easy to spot a wolfdog from her breeding even among an entire group of different wolfdogs from different breeders. ~Seij

[quote name='courtnek']couldnt they go either way tho? the same as a mix breed. there is the possibility it could take on more of the characteristics of one animal then the other, like Free. To the untrained eye she looks like a pure black lab. her father was a pure yellow lab, but the mother was a heinz 57, yet she still looks more like a lab than anything else. and I have seen other dogs that are mixed rotts/sheps, that look more like rotts, or more like sheps. wouldnt it work kinda the same way, or no?[/quote] With rottie mixes I have noticed the rottie characteristics seem to be more dominant (physically). With wolf mixes, huskies seem to be the most popular of the three main breeds to mix with (out of husky, mal, and GSD). All three breeds can look fairly wolf-like, especially the husky. When mixing the two, it's difficult to tell whether the husky or wolf is dominant because both blend together so well when mixed. I really can't say for sure, but with husky/wolf, both seem pretty even in half mixes. With mal/wolf, the mal can be seen more in half mixes. With GSD/wolf mixes, GSD characteristics seem the most dominant in half mixes, especially those big ears. There are also F#'s to take into account. With F1 crosses (pure wolf bred to pure dog or wolfdog). Wolf characteristics are guaranteed to show in the pups. The same goes for the dog breeds. A pure GSD, mal, husky, etc bred to a wolfdog are guaranteed to show some characteristics in the resulting pups. Once you get into F2

I only know one coydog breeder. They're good people and they produce 50% F2's which would be a lot easier to care for than the F1's. I hope to get an animal from them someday as I am curious to know how a coydog compares with a wolfdog. I did know one coydog at one time. She was lower content, but deffinately a coydog (small, thin frame, triangle head, classic coyote look and gait). She was EXTREMELY social and outgoing, and very bossy with the other dogs. It's would be fairly uncommon to run into a coydog as people friendly as that one was. I loved her though, I wonder whatever happened to her (her owners moved from here). I've had people try to convince me that Shilo is part coyote. The breeder I know has a few black phase coydogs, stunning animals, and they do look a lot like my Shilo, but she just doesn't have the right frame for coydog. ~Seij

[quote name='Mutts4Me']Yeah, I won't get back into it, since we've already had debates about people's rights to own lions and tigers, too. [/quote] Awww, but defending wolf/dog breeding is so much more fun :D ~Seij

FYI, I don't think the wild wolf population would make it any easier. It would be extremely hard to use wild wolves to "make" wolfdogs unless you got lucky enough to find a den of wild wolf pups under the age of 12 weeks. Wild wolves under normal conditions would rarely breed with a domestic dog unless it was a lone wolf who had for whatever reason given up hope of ever finding a mate of it's own kind. ~Seij

[quote name='Mutts4Me'] Plus I don't think it should be viewed as a good thing to have a wolf hybrid at all. I don't think they should be bred. [/quote] :D I support just about anything, including the people's freedom to responsibly breed and own whatever they want. I'd love to have a high content Arctic wolf mix wolfdog someday and the only way to get one is through a breeder-which is fine with me since it means I won't have to worry about it having serious health and temperament problems. ~Seij

Guess what popped into my inbox this morning.... We now have another supposed wolfdog to rescue, it was confiscated from a man who admitted to AC that it is "part wolf." The guy lives in MI. ~Seij