Aroura Posted July 3, 2002 Author Share Posted July 3, 2002 What happend when farmers thought it would be a good idea to feed cows ground sheep and cow??? They got Mad Cow disease!!!! Whats the world coming to when we feed our own dogs other peoples pets, and when its the company that makes us do it without even knowing? If Cows have got Mad Cow disease, what could happen to our beloved dogs? When will people ever learn, not only is it unnatural, its inhumane and utterly disgusting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoRedNosePit Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Horsefeathers I remeber you posted that one....dont worrie I was the worried one in that one.... All that I can say is when will the day come when humans start eaitng humans?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 I get my dogs cremated, all but one are at the rose garden at the pet crem, i don't bring them home in urns, although i know of quite a few people who do, some people have it in their wills that when they go the dogs in their urns go with them. If i want to go to the rose garden at any time i can just ring the crem and go to their garden. I started having them cremated in the begining really out of practicality, how many danes can you get in your garden, the size of the hole etc. what if i moved house, (which i have). In our garden now we have one dane, one dane puppy who died 2 days after being born, 2 hamsters, 1 budgie, 1 cat, and(don't laugh) 4 fish. I like the thought of all the others being in one place, they are all together. I know they are at the rainbow bridge, but the thought of moving and leaving them there just seems wrong to me. Roo[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 [quote name='Anonymous'][quote name='sashagirl'][url]http://www.fuzzyfaces.com/lfood2.html[/url] Ok guys, you really have to check out this link. It is full of facts. Did you know that in some dog foods there is actually remains of euthanized dogs and cats. (I always wondered where they went.) This is definitley a site you will want to check out. :x[/quote] The majority of the dogs that are euthanized at the animal shelter in Los Angeles, California end up as dog food. Most of the large cities send the dog and cat carcasses to the dog food companies to be used as dog food. Old Roy (brand dog foods) is listed as one of the top ten dog foods that contain ground up dog meat. Nutro and Pedigree is on the list, too. There is a good book called, "What your Pets (dogs?) are Dieing to Tell You" ------ something like that.[/quote] Is this only happening to dog foods that are manufactered in the states?? I know that the pedigree foods that i feed are made over here in the UK. I have been to visit both factories, wet food (tinned) and dry foods, it was a fascinationg visit at both the factories. Aurora, If your dogs are doing well on pal complete, why change it, as for some foods my dogs will not touch them, i once tried hills everyone of them looked at it looked at me and turned their noses up at it, even added things to it, they picked the bits they wanted and left the hills, tried mixing it in with other dry, again the hills stayed either in the bowls or was thrown out around them, weird isn't it? :x I can remember a few years ago when a shipment of hills came over and was not allowed to be sold in the UK due to an ingredient in it that is not allowed to be used over here. :roll: Most vets reccommend it because they make huge profits on it, the prescription ranges are a different matter. Roo :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Okay, I HAVE to ask this......why don't humans eat Kangaroo tail? If humans don't eat it, then wouldn't it be an inexpensive way to feed your dog(s) meat??? Remember a long time ago when McDonalds used to make their hamburgers from Kangaroo meat? When this was discovered, they quit (or DID THEY?????) So, why not feed the dogs Kangaroo tail? It would be nutritious, right? Better than feeding it ......... gulp......dog food made from dog meat. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roo Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 [quote name='Anonymous'][quote name='sashagirl'][url]http://www.fuzzyfaces.com/lfood2.html[/url] Ok guys, you really have to check out this link. It is full of facts. Did you know that in some dog foods there is actually remains of euthanized dogs and cats. (I always wondered where they went.) This is definitley a site you will want to check out. :x[/quote] The majority of the dogs that are euthanized at the animal shelter in Los Angeles, California end up as dog food. Most of the large cities send the dog and cat carcasses to the dog food companies to be used as dog food. Old Roy (brand dog foods) is listed as one of the top ten dog foods that contain ground up dog meat. Nutro and Pedigree is on the list, too There is a good book called, "What your Pets (dogs?) are Dieing to Tell You" ------ something like that.[/quote] Guest please tell me where on the net i can see the info you have quoted here. Went to a show today, asked at the chum stand about this happening in the USA, was told that it has been incorrectly read!!! that these ten are ones that do not use dog meat. I feel i need to read the whole thing myself now. Thanks Roo :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 [quote name='"roo'] Old Roy (brand dog foods) is listed as one of the top ten dog foods that contain ground up dog meat. Nutro and Pedigree is on the list, too There is a good book called, "What your Pets (dogs?) are Dieing to Tell You" ------ something like that.[/quote] Guest please tell me where on the net i can see the info you have quoted here. Went to a show today, asked at the chum stand about this happening in the USA, was told that it has been incorrectly read!!! that these ten are ones that do not use dog meat. I feel i need to read the whole thing myself now. Thanks Roo :lol:[/quote] It was located on the Food and Drug Administration site. I'll have to re-find it and I'll post it. Old Roy is the #1, euthanized-ground-dog-user in it's dog food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 [url]http://www.bestpetfood.info/[/url] This is a good website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 Okay, here is a very good website about dog food....... [url]http://www.nexusmagazine.com//Petfood.html[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 [color=blue]Guest: Is this what your looking for?[/color] FDA/Center for Veterinary Medicine Survey #1, qualitative analyses for pentobarbital residue Dry dog food samples purchased in Laurel, MD, area, March - June 1998 KEY Yes = confirmed for presence of pentobarbital No = failed to confirm for presence of pentobarbital No result = analyses failed quality assurance requirements Rendered ingredients: AD = animal digest AF = animal fat BBM = beef and bone meal BT = beef tallow MBM = meat and bone meal NOTES 3-4 ppb = Estimated limit for confirming pentobarbital with highest confidence ppb = parts-per-billion pentobarbital, by weight (nanograms per gram) n = not given or not legible Rendered ingredients (position in ingredient list) Confirmed for the presence of pentobarbital? Brand Name Formulation Name Lot Number Beef Meal(1) yes Nutro Premium 10:19 2AR7JJ Beef Meal(1) yes Nutro Premium 00:512BA7256259101069704 MBM(2) AF(6) AD(7) yes Ol'Roy Krunchy Bites & Bones V033 MBM(2) AF(5) AD(8) yes Ol'Roy Premium Formula with Chicken Protein and Rice V093 MBM(2) AF(5) AD(8) yes Ol'Roy Premium Formula with Chicken Protein and Rice V071 MBM(2) AF(6) AD(9) yes Ol'Roy High Performance with Chicken Protein and Rice V073 MBM(2) AF(6) AD(9) no result Ol'Roy High Performance with Chicken Protein and Rice V073 MBM(2) AF(6) AD(7) yes Ol'Roy Krunchy Bites & Bones V153 MBM(2) AF(5) yes Trailblazer Chunk Premium Quality 029813:30\A/2 MBM(2) AF(5) yes Trailblazer Chunk Premium Quality A5981315\A/R (?) MBM(2) AF(5) yes Trailblazer Bite Size Ration A5889911A\A/1 MBM(2) AF(5) yes Trailblazer Bite Size Ration 030800113\A/2 MBM(2) AF(4) no Pedigree Mealtime 814EL0011E MBM(2) AF(4) no Pedigree Mealtime 816GL154D MBM(2) AF(6) no Pedigree Meaty Chunks with Rice and Vegetables 811FL0027E MBM(2) AF(6) no Pedigree Meaty Chunks with Rice and Vegetables 811FL2211E MBM(2) AF(3) yes Dad's Bite Size Meal 17:42 MBM(2) AF(3) yes Dad's Bite Size Meal 7:12 MBM(2) AF(6) yes Weis Value Chunky and Moist Feb 0599x MBM(2) AF(6) yes Weis Value Puppy Food 99N132 BBM(2) AF(5) no Friskies Come'n Get It 8104LP-61156 BBM(2) AF(6) no Friskies Alpo 8015LP 60501 BBM(2) AF(6) no Friskies Alpo 8096LP-60531 MBM(3) AF(5) AD(6) yes Super G Chunk Style V113 MBM(3) AD(5) AF(6) no Ol'Roy Lean Formula V013 MBM(3) AD(5) AF(6) no Ol'Roy Lean Formula V073 MBM(3) AF(5) no result Richfood High Protein Dog Meal 1R04018 MBM(3) AF(5) no Richfood High Protein Dog Meal 1R03308 MBM(3) AF(5) AD(6) yes Richfood Chunk Style 1R0478 MBM(3) AF(5) AD(6) yes Richfood Chunk Style 3R05088 MBM(3) AF(5) no Richfood Gravy Style Dog Food 3R010598 MBM(3) AF(5) yes Richfood Gravy Style Dog Food 3R06078 MBM(3) AF(5) Beef Dgst(7) no Super G Gravy Style Dog Food V013 Rendered ingredients (position in ingredient list) Confirmed for the presence of pentobarbital? Brand Name Formulation Name Lot Number MBM(3) AF(5) Beef Dgst(7) no Super G Gravy Style Dog Food V093 MBM(3) AF(5) AD(6) yes Super G Chunk Style V003 MBM(3) AF(5) AD(6) yes Super G Chunk Style V113 MBM(3) AF(4) yes Pet Essentials Chunk Style 0-0046-L9 MBM(3) AF(4) yes Pet Essentials Chunk Style D-1106-L9 MBM(3) AF(5) yes America's Choice Krunchy Kibble 3R MBM(3) AF(5) yes America's Choice Krunchy Kibble R MBM(3) AF(5) AD(6) yes Weis Value Crunchy Dog Food 99N052 MBM(3) AF(5) Beef Dgst(7) yes Weis Value Gravy Style Dog Food N092 MBM(3) AF(7) AD(8) yes Weis Value High Protein Dog Food N072 BBM(3) AD(4) AF(5) yes Ol'Roy Meaty Chunks and Gravy K5 0825 BBM(3) AD(4) AF(5) no Ol'Roy Meaty Chunks and Gravy V90051 BBM(3) AF(4) AD(5) yes Ken-L Ration Gravy Train Beef, Liver and Bacon Flavor W20351 BBM(3) AF(4) AD(5) yes Ken-L Ration Gravy Train Beef, Liver and Bacon Flavor W31203 BBM(3) AF(6) no Purina Mainstay U2326-L8 BBM(3) AF(6) no Purina Mainstay U1529-L6 BBM(3) BT(4) no result Purina Dog Chow E1837-L2 BBM(3) AF(6) no Friskies Come'n Get It 8082L9-62159 BBM(3) AF(4) yes Ken-L Ration Gravy Train W12123 BBM(3) AF(4) yes Ken-L Ration Gravy Train W11525 BBM(3) BT(4) no Purina Little Bites U0502L4 BBM(3) BT(4) no Purina Little Bites U1201-L4 BBM(3) AF(5) AD(9) no Heinz Kibbles 'n Bits Jerky L70600 BBM(3) AF(5) AD(9) yes Heinz Kibbles 'n Bits Jerky L2 228 BBM(3) AF(5) AD(9) no Heinz Kibbles 'n Bits 'n Bits 'n Bits L200:38 BBM(3) AF(5) AD(9) no Heinz Kibbles 'n Bits 'n Bits 'n Bits L7 0448 MBM(4) AF(6) yes Weis Value Kibbles Variety Mix Mar 0999z MBM(4) yes Kibble Select Premium Dog Food 11P MBM(4) yes Kibble Select Premium Dog Food 1238 BBM(4) BT(6) no Fieldmaster Fieldmaster C1334-L3 BBM(4) AF(6) no Fieldmaster Fieldmaster U2108-L5 BBM(4) BT(6) no Purina High Pro U1829L6 BBM(4) BT(6) no Purina High Pro U1749-L6 BBM(4) AF(6) no Purina Grrravy U1643-L7 BBM(4) AF(6) no Purina Grrravy U1059-L6 Rendered ingredients (position in ingredient list) Confirmed for the presence of pentobarbital? Brand Name Formulation Name Lot Number BBM(4) AF(6) AD(7) yes Heinz Kibbles 'n Bits Puppy L1-0343 BBM(4) BT(7) Dried AD(10) no Purina Dog Chow Senior U2055L3 BBM(4) BT(7) Dried AD(10) no Purina Dog Chow Senior U0303L4 BT(4) BBM(10) no Purina Kibbles and Cheezy Chews N-0113-L10-E BT(4) BBM(10) no Purina Kibbles and Cheezy Chews N-19-58-L11-W MBM(5) AF(7) yes Champ Chunx Bite Size Dog Food H20054 BBM(5) AF(6) no Purina Kibbles and Chunks N-20-37-L10-E BBM(5) AF(6) no Purina Kibbles and Chunks I-21-10-L10-E BBM(5) BT(6) no Purina Butcher's Blend N1224-L20 BBM(5) BT(6) no Purina Butcher's Blend N-1723-L20 BBM(5) AD(8) no Heinz Kibbles 'n Bits Lean L30906 BBM(5) AD(8) yes Heinz Kibbles 'n Bits Lean L2 1156 BT(5) no Purina Dog Chow U1239-L2 BT(5) no ProPlan Beef and Rice Adult U2053-L2 BT(5) yes ProPlan Beef and Rice Adult U0131 L2 BBM(6) BT(7) no Purina Fit & Trim U0557L3 BBM(6) BT(7) no Purina Fit & Trim U2133-L4 BT(6) yes ProPlan Beef and Rice Puppy E0601-L3 BT(6) yes ProPlan Beef and Rice Puppy E0359 L2 MBM(7) AF(9) no Ol'Roy Dinner Rounds Soft Dry Dog Food 8D30PB1 MBM(7) AF(8) yes Reward Dinner Rounds Dog Food 8C19PA1 MBM(7) AF(8) no Reward Dinner Rounds Dog Food 8D23PB1 Survey #2, quantitative analyses for pentobarbital residue Dry dog food samples purchased in Laurel, MD, area, December 2000 KEY QUANTITATIVE ANALYSES ppb = parts-per-billion pentobarbital, by weight (nanograms per gram) --- = not found above 1 ppb limit of detection a = found in 1-2 ppb range, but not accurately measurable QUALITATIVE ANALYSES yes = confirmed for presence of pentobarbital no = failed to confirm for presence of pentobarbital blank = not analyzed by qualitative method Rendered ingredients: AD = animal digest AF = animal fat BBM = beef and bone meal BT = beef tallow MBM = meat and bone meal NOTES 1 ppb = Lowest concentration for detecting pentobarbital with some confidence 2 ppb = Lowest concentration for measuring pentobarbital accurately 3-4 ppb = Estimated limit for confirming pentobarbital with highest confidence n = not given or not legible Rendered ingredients (position in ingredient list) Measured (ppb) Confirmed for presence of pentobarbital? Brand Name Formulation Name Lot Number MBM(2) AF(5) BBM(6) AD(8) 10.0 yes Old Roy Puppy Formula, Beef Flavor 0407003 MBM(2) AF(5) AD(8) --- Old Roy Premium Chicken and Rice 0409002 MBM(2) AF(5) AD(8) 32.0 yes Old Roy Puppy Formula, Chicken and Rice 0415002 MBM(2) AF(5) AD(8) a no Richfood Dog Food Chunk Style 50 09:50 1 MBM(2) AF(6) AD(9) a Old Roy High Performance Chicken and Rice 0417002 MBM(2) AF(5) --- Pedigree Meaty Chunks Mealtime 046DT0117C MBM(2) AF(5) AD(7) a Safeway High Protein 0650 EA MBM(2) AF(6) AD(9) 3.9 yes Richfood High Protein Dog Meal 50 22:34 1 MBM(2) AF(6) --- Pedigree MealTime Large Crunchy Bites 935CK0906E MBM(2) AF(8) AD(9) a no Safeway Puppy food EB2206 MBM(2) AF(6) AD(9) 15.0 yes Weis Total High Energy Chicken and Rice ?17 09:23 2 BBM(2) AF(5) MBM(7) --- Friskies Come and Get it--Beef, Chicken, Liver 0269LP70610 BBM(2) BT(6) AD(8) --- American Fare Bites and Bones C1800 L1 MBM(3) AD(5) AF(6) 3.9 yes Old Roy Lean Formula 0409003 MBM(3) AD(4) AF(5) --- Old Roy Meaty Chunks and Gravy V80333 MBM(3) AF(5) AD(7) --- Safeway Tasty Nuggets EB 22:00 MBM(3) AF(5) Beef Digest(7) 4.5 yes Super G Gravy Style Dog Food n MBM(3) AF(5) AD(6) 16.4 yes Super G Chunk Style Dog Food 0415003 BBM(3) AF(4) AD(5) --- Heinz KenL Ration Gravy Train Beef Liver and Bacon W3 0819 BBM(3) AF(5) AD(9) a Heinz Kibbles N Bits Original, Chicken and Beef L72111 BBM(3) AF(6) AD(8) 25.1 yes Heinz Kibbles and Bits Beefy Bits L22027 BBM(3) BT(4) --- Purina Dog Chow Little Bites C 0202 L2 AF(3) --- Hills Science Diet Senior, 7+, small bites K02350044 AF(3) 8.4 yes Dad's Bite Size Meal Chicken and Rice n BT(3) 11.6 yes PetGold Master Diet Puppy Formulation 11:17 EA MBM(4) AF(6) --- Safeway Small Bites 00:14 EC MBM(4) AF(6) --- Weis Total Pet Kibbles n MBM(4) --- Dad's Kibble Select n BBM(4) AF(6) AD(7) 2.8 no Heinz Kibbles and Bits Puppy L70222 BBM(4) BT(6) --- Fieldmaster Adult C2258L4 BBM(4) BT(5) --- Purina Puppy chow, Beef Flavor C0559 L1 BBM(4) BT(6) --- Purina Kibbles and Chunks Beef Flavor C234 L1 AF(4) --- Neura Special Diet Formulation 300 SM017311:37 Rendered ingredients (position in ingredient list) Measured (ppb) Confirmed for presence of pentobarbital? Brand Name Formulation Name Lot Number AF(4) --- Nature's Recipe Easy to Digest NT B 18:41 AF(4) --- Friskies Alpo Lamb Meal Rice and Barley 0237UA20635 AF(4) --- Pedigree Mealtime with Lamb and Rice 045C50933C AF(4) --- Hills Science Diet Large Breed Adult K07360152 AF(4) MBM(5) AD(6) --- Heinz KenL Ration Choice Blend W4 1947 BT(4) --- PetGold Master Diet Adult Formulation EA 09:25 MBM(5) AF(6) --- American Fare High Protein C0935 L6 BBM(5) BT(7) AD(8) --- Purina Dog Chow Senior 7+ C 2159 L2 BBM(5) BT(6) AD(8) --- American Fare Adult Formulation n BBM(5) BT(7) AD(8) --- Purina One Beef and Rice C 0405 L2 BBM(5) BT(6) --- Purina Butchers Blend N 0751 L20 AF(5) --- Hills Science Diet Large Breed Canine, Puppies 142K51737 AF(5) --- Safeway Lamb Meal and Rice EB1556 AF(5) a Neura Special Diet Formulation 200 SM002714:27 BT(5) AD(9) --- ProPlan Beef and Rice, Adult Formulation V0621L2 BT(5) BBM(6) --- Safeway Kibbles and Munchy Chews F061414 BT(5) BBM(6) --- American Fare Kibbles and Munchy Morsels C1931 L2 MBM(6) AF (7) --- Heinz Reward Dinner Rounds P1 1238 AF(6) BBM(8) --- Friskies Alpo Complete Puppy 0007UA22125 AF(6) --- Nature's Recipe Lifestages Senior Lamb and Rice V80449 AF(6) --- Hills Science Diet Sensitive Stomach K12251603 AF(6) --- Hills Science Diet Sensitive Skin K15350650 AF(6) --- Pedigree Puppy 0420S1702C BT(6) AD(8) --- American Fare Puppy Formulation D 0756 L8 BT(7) --- Safeway Select Adult Dog Formulation (Nutra Balance) E2200L3 BT(7) --- Maxximum Nutrition Lamb and Rice Formula n Meat Meal(7) --- Flavorite Kibbles Dog Food 3104269 February 28, 2001 Edited for Typographical Errors -- March 1, 2002 [color=blue]The website is located at: [url]http://www.fda.gov/[/url] Go to this website and put "Old Roy" in the search bar. A bunch of stuff will come up, but it's the first one that says, "Dog Food Survey Results".[/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 Tic Doc, that's it!! You found it!! I've been harping on this forever. Sashagirl, it's a'ight... I'm just a big wuss! Someone told me today that my world revolves around me me me. And she said it like it was a bad thing... :roll: :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 [quote name='Horsefeathers']Tic Doc, that's it!! You found it!! I've been harping on this forever. Sashagirl, it's a'ight... I'm just a big wuss! Someone told me today that my world revolves around me me me. And she said it like it was a bad thing... :roll: :wink:[/quote] [color=red]The world does NOT revolve around YOU, because I am pretty darn sure it revolves around ME ME ME ME!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink: [/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 5, 2002 Share Posted July 5, 2002 *GASP* Way to crush an illusion, man! One more peep out of you and I swear I'll sing Barney. No doughnuts for you! :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Uh, wishing you luck is free, so GOOD LUCK! :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Hey HEY......boy are we a self-centered bunch. We all KNOW that without a doubt, the entire universe rotates around our dogs! :P :P My dog food isn't on the list either, I just hope it isn't packaged under a different name now that - that list is published. Even though FDA says they found Pentobarbatal that it isn't at a level to be toxic. ANY level concerns me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Here is my question... How long have these brands been using these ingredients(including Pento.)? Or do they even know? (they being the FDA) If no one knows then say you have been feeding your dogs a food for 10-15 years..getting excellent results...the whole time it contained these ingredients... My point is if it did not hurt them by now what makes anyone think with these tests it is suddenly going to affect them??? Have these dog food companies had any replies to these tests? I feed Purina :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 [quote name='Jacsmom']Here is my question... How long have these brands been using these ingredients(including Pento.)? Or do they even know? (they being the FDA) If no one knows then say you have been feeding your dogs a food for 10-15 years..getting excellent results...the whole time it contained these ingredients... My point is if it did not hurt them by now what makes anyone think with these tests it is suddenly going to affect them??? Have these dog food companies had any replies to these tests? I feed Purina :wink:[/quote] Hey Jacsmom (how's your baby feeling?): good question. Think about Arsenic in water wells. A person that is used to it, drinking the Arsenic laced water for years, won't show any signs of distress after drinking the water. You or I, not having had years of ingestion, would be sick from drinking the water. The water containing low levels of Arsenic, not enough to kill us, just make us sick (and it stores up in the liver and fat cells in the body). This is why a person should never use any kind of a grass killer that has the ingredient MSMA (the A is Arsenic). If you do, your dog ingests in when he sniffs the grass, when he lays on the grass, when he walks on it ---- and so do you and your children. My thoughts, you know sometimes your dog just throws up or gets diarrhea for no apparent reason? Or maybe sometimes your dog is reluctant to eat. Or, after eating just doesn't feel well? Low levels of a toxin wouldn't be enough to kill the dog, just make it sick. How do we know that the Pentobarbital is not being stored up in the liver or fat cells, thus causing cancers, tumors etc...later in life. Yes, the FDA says the levels are so low that it isn't toxic. Well, I for one, wouldn't want to eat anything that contained any LEVEL of toxins in it. The food that we feed our dogs should NOT contain ANY level of ANY toxin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Ok I'm confused. That post that Tic Doc posted I can't understand. So does Ol'Roy or don't they put all that crap into the food. Pleae help! I don't get it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 [quote name='beagle88']Ok I'm confused. That post that Tic Doc posted I can't understand. So does Ol'Roy or don't they put all that crap into the food. Pleae help! I don't get it!![/quote] YES, some of the brand names of Old Roy does show to have Pentobarbital in it. The info from the website that is posted in the previous post is hard to follow. The website maybe easier to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Oh man! Sick! I used to feed my dog that before I realized how inmportant their health and good food was....oh how awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Yeah, I know B-88 scarey isn't it. We catch and use rain water to water our livestock and dogs. There are so much pollutants/toxins etc.. in the water wells from years of farming and farmer's ignorance of the use of chemicals. And so many chemicals that are used in the public drinking water systems, that we just decided to stop using it (water wells and public water supply) for their main source of drinking water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 K that's great! It's the same in our house hold except we have a corvett that pulls at the gravity! Perhaps it's the two of them who really cause the oceanic tides and not the moon as we thought all these years! :lol: :lol: :lol: I went shopping today, and out of curiousity I bagan checking lables of dog foods, none of them premo but some of them quite expensive! That new purina brand in the white bag with the nice chunks of steak pictured on the front (I can't remember the name... somthing simple, but it's they're new brand that's semi moist) the first ingredient is corn, and I think only a couple of the ingredients were even meat based and then it was all by-products! This was like $15 for a 40lb bag! I couldn't believe it, you would have thought it was all good stuff the way they advertise this stuff! :o Next week I'm going to the feed store to see what they have.... :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 Ok Tic Doc (about Jac I have some ?'s for you on him I will start a new topic on that because it is a LONG story and I need serious info?!?!?!) on the food thing... are they not regulated on what goes in dog food? Kind of like say Del-Monte Green Beans? I know that with can food you are allowed so many shall we say foreign particles :) ! Are these plants not inspected and I would be curious to know just exactly how this is getting in the dog food?? If it is getting there through euthanized animals, are they laying in the plant somewhere and if this plant is inspected why are they not found? I know this sounds disgusting but... Very interesting about the Aresnic building in systems in body... I would wonder about Pento. also... Wonder why FDA has not done study on that or are they or will they? I also would not want to feed any level of toxins to my dogs either but it truly makes me wonder why suddenly there is Pento. in food... I believe it has been there longer.. I believe it can be stopped and it makes you wonder what is allowed or is in everything else.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 [quote name='Tic Doc']Yeah, I know B-88 scarey isn't it. We catch and use rain water to water our livestock and dogs. There are so much pollutants/toxins etc.. in the water wells from years of farming and farmer's ignorance of the use of chemicals. And so many chemicals that are used in the public drinking water systems, that we just decided to stop using it (water wells and public water supply) for their main source of drinking water.[/quote] I hope you have the rainwater tested - a lot of what is in rain today is not good stuff! Depending on where your weather comes from the rain can be as nasty as some of the well water. :cry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 7, 2002 Share Posted July 7, 2002 [quote name='Anonymous'][quote name='Tic Doc']Yeah, I know B-88 scarey isn't it. We catch and use rain water to water our livestock and dogs. There are so much pollutants/toxins etc.. in the water wells from years of farming and farmer's ignorance of the use of chemicals. And so many chemicals that are used in the public drinking water systems, that we just decided to stop using it (water wells and public water supply) for their main source of drinking water.[/quote] I hope you have the rainwater tested - a lot of what is in rain today is not good stuff! Depending on where your weather comes from the rain can be as nasty as some of the well water. :cry:[/quote] We live in the sticks. It has been tested, tests were excellent. The rain is caught, strained as it enters PVC pipe, flows into a "U" with a cleanout on the bottom to dispose of leaves and other debris (if any), it then runs thru a series of filters of different micron size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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