ShadyLady

Dont know if it helps or not but sometimes I teach a dog(for herding) on the clothes line put them on one side you on the opposite and move around in one direction using the desired command and then reverse it after the dog has got one direction down pat for dogs that will keep out I lunge them like a horse :roll:

Love the photos Hobbit :lol: Waiting to get some photos from the last trials back of some Kelpies for you Ill email them to you if you want :o

Black think about this a dog replaces at LEAST one worker (more like two or three) so to employ someone at say $26000 a year plus super and workcover over 8 years (you can get more years but just to be conservitive) geez wheres my calculator!! Thats $208,000 in wages alone V's what it costs to feed and look after a dog and if they muck up its the bosses faulty usually anyway , so you can see $10,000 isnt very much in the big picture :lol:

I reckon they just cross anything with poodles cause its easy enough to come up with a name I mean oodles pretty much goes with anything right .Its not a real pretty dog eh black!?! :roll:

Maybe if we keep emailing he might get the message Lets get him :mad:

Well said usmcbyrd I would suggest you put the older dog on a lead and do some obedience like sit ect just to reinforce that you are alpha over him and that he has to respect you My husband has the same problem with our dogs they will do as I ask but wont listen to him I know its your husbands dog but you have to gain some respect as well Hope this helps and good luck

Thanks for clearing that up black ! Corgilady here in Oz we pronouce it as kel-pee (looks funny to see it in writing!) The legend states that a guy called Gleeson bred this strain of working dogs and there was a bitch who's name was Kelpie she was that good that all her pups became known as Kelpie dogs hence the name .As for the prononceation it is quite possible that the Aussie accent played a part in this .My dogs are sometimes known as German coolies aparently the early german migrants had a fondness for the merle colored collies because of their accents they pronounced it koolie( slave labour is a koolie) and the German part referred to the fact that the germans like them I have a friend who is german and she confirmed that the accent makes it sound like koolie Hope this helps :roll:

Rowie thanks My dogs are Koolies sometimes known as german coolies but unless your in Australia you wont see one then again you might see one when you visit . The picture is of my girl Millie she was a bitch I rescued from being shot I was supposed to rehome her but she would never have pass the requirements as she has taken a lot of work to get to basic obedience Although she did her first trial in April and scored an impressive 79/100 which is really good because she is a nervie dog (with crowds and stuff) Infact after all the trials Ive done that stands out as my most rewarding because of how far shed come :lol:

Lets all send an email mabey together we can make a difference :roll:

dont forget to post on check out the users poll I must confess to going for the warrior cause they have that mean dance and its no fun when we win all the time :roll:

Can we have some of your rain pretty pretty please with sugar on top ? Its so dry here when it rains Im going to go and stand in it !! Its going to be 31 degrees tommorow too hot :x

No it was definately some Kiwi bloke that told me then again it was after we'd beat them at some sporting event (cant remember which one been too many lately!!) :lol: (he he) so maybe he was pulling the wool over my eyes!! :smilecolros:

Hobbit just to jump in on the end of the post My first dog had a heart murmur and he lived to be 15 yrs old He was totally hyper a kelpie x b/collie .My horse has also been diagnosed with a heart murmur and he is 22yrs old and my mums got one too Im surrounded!! Its not slowed any of them down at all (except for the dog hes dead) :wink:

I must confess I thought they did admittedly I dont know anything about the breed (other than they are dogs) so where does this myth come from ? :roll:

I must confess Carol that not all rams are as wild as this one I have one at the moment who is generally no problem I was just surprized that they would give you a herd with a ram in it as they can scare a dog not used to sheep .as for getting trodden on I dont think I have any feeling left in my feet (need steel cap shoes!!)

Blk/Blue sorry Ill have to pass on the heeler they can be a real handful :lol: bright as a button though my sisters boyfriend had one when I was a kid and we got on like a house on fire we used to play ball for hours( Im not kidding ) on the weekends I love that dog he was my best friend :P Carol cant believe they tested with a ram . I had a big ugly mean Merino ram( we reckon he was about 20yrs old) and I was trying to seperate him from the ewes in the yards and there was no way I was getting in with him(hed attack humans dogs ect) so we run them up a race and there was only 4 sheep left to push through and of course he turned and started attacking my dog and my dog was in fight position (down low baring teeth) it was a very dangerous situation for the dog so Im trying to get him close enough to the rails to pick him up but he wasnt close enough to the fence so I called him and he kept getting inbetween me and the ram because he was trying to protect me eventually I pulled him out but it was a bit hairy for a while Needless to say the ram is now in sheep heaven it wasnt worth losing a dog worth $1500 dollars for!! Your right about things going wrong at a trial 80% handler and dog 20% sheep yards and crowds but its not about winning for me I just enjoy competing and hanging out with like minded people . I think you should go for it Shannon you never know till you try We actually do Sheep Yard Trials Basically its mustering up 10-12 sheep putting them into yards ,then through a race where we draft the sheephalf in half out through some more yards (sometimes on to a trailer) put them back together and put them away

Hey Rowie just dont expect any kangaroos to be hopping down the main streets (he he) Western Australias my favourite place beautiful beaches not too crowded although the sharks are a worry !! And everyone is real friendly :wink:

As a mother it is a really sad thing to heard this a child left alone let alone with dogs People dont realize that dogs are not human and for their safety and the childs seperation is best .How sad for you gooeydog :cry:

We went trialing on the weekend and we came second whoopie!!! We nearly won but I mucked up and told him to stop when I should have shut up :mad: We dont care though we had lots of fun and cant wait till next week to do our next one By the way hobbit we kick some Kelpies butts!!(he he) :microwave:

Black/blue I have heard this from a couple of people so I am guessing there might be something in it!?! Never been keen on his show since I heard this :x Hobbit I actually read a book on Working dog stories in Australia and a guy up North has been crossing his Blue heelers with bull terriers for years to get the lock jaw effect as he musters wild cattle(or ferals) These dogs latch on and hold the beast till the blokes get there to rope them .Aparently the cattle will seperate and hide in the scrub so the dog finds them and holds them , these are big Brahman cattle he was talking about and according to him he loses (gets killed) nearly all his dogs each season which is pretty sad. How long have the Kelpies been in America ? I could look it up but Im being lazy( ha ha) Its no wonder noones heard of a koolie in America I dont believe they have them we sent them a couple and they had to make em look like Lassie and chop their tails off!! Koolies arent we known here in Australia they are considered a rare breed by the RSPCA Id have to agree with you Bensam about the looks of the showies(kelpies) although the solid reds are discriminated against by working owners (they call them show dogs!!) :-?

Just a question how old is the lab ? How often do they see each other ? The lab is trying to dominate Buster by mounting him but Buster is not submitting because he is snapping back hence the lab persistance with the behaviour .It more likely the fault lies with the lab not your fellow if they live together how long were they seperated during the operation 1 day or so, if it is a friends dog it might have been longer which was obviously long enough for the lab to feel that he was alpha and he didnt want to surrender when he came back and yes he would have smelt funny after the vets. If this lab is yours mabey you need to dominate the dog yourself so you become the alpha dog ?Good luck :roll:

I too agree that as an owner of working dogs I would not select from non working parents as if the pups not old enough you want to see the parents work at least. As for temperment I wasnt talking in particular about your dogs Hobbit just from my general experience and I would hate for someone to read the posts thinking they are always even tempered .I would have to look it up but I think the kelpie makes the top ten biters in Australia I agree totally about the crossing with APBT we are lucky in Australia that we have a diverse range of kelpies that you can select from an eye dog to a hard hitting cattle dog( even seen them back cows) In my trialling it is perfectly legal for a nose bite or on the top knot and many of the kelpies do this it is not a fault but an effective means to either move sheep or to protect themselves.I agree that soundness and instinct are the most important qualities in a working dog and that is what I look for

I was under the impression (Bensam ) that the Kelpies werent recognized by VCA ect thats why they started their own register and the moment you start up a registra you limate the gene pool to the dogs in those register and that is what creates the different appearence. I had a similar experience with the koolie where half the club was breeding non workers(or that should be untried) and the other half was into proven working dogs and eventually it caused division as the working koolies believed the non worker to be unproven and not worthy of breeding from also the non workers tended to breed more for looks and colour I think this is also the case with Border collies here the difference between the showies and the worker is huge its quite obvious which is which .As for the American bench Kelpies Im with you Bensam they look nothing like the Aussie Kelpies :o In the article on burkes backyard there is no mention of the Glesons Kelpie which is a well known part of their history it makes me wonder about the politics going on in the background .Over here we have an annual Kelpie festival held in Casterton to celebrate the Kelpie at this they have an aution of the dogs after a display of them working and last years average price was 1500 dollars. (If you havent noticed I hang out with alot of Kelpie people :roll: )As for the temperment thing I have met many Kelpies who are people aggressive my dad has one that guards his caravan park one night she protected my mum from a group of drunken youths I believe because they are so one eyed to their owners it makes them protective This is why I didnt buy one myself as I have young children .On the subject of Don Burke I was told (dont know if its true or not) that he actually is part owner of a puppy mill which would make sense why he defends them :x I know Im probably going to offend you Hobbit by some of my comments but I am around a lot of Kelpies here in Australia and it is possible that the American temperment could be different than it is over here :-?

Can you secure her in the crate ? If not mabey you need to put her in another room with the crate until the habit is broken and she is a bit older As for the disipline I use voice tone to tell the dog I am unhappy about something a firm no is the first part of training and a happy fun voice for coming and peeing outside works wonders for me Unfortunately you found out the hard way that you have to start as you intend to continue(bed hopping) :lol:

I have a cat that loves dogs I mean sleeps eats ect she calmly walks up to them and rubs her self on them every now and then we get a new pup that go whoopie !! lets chase the cat and she runs under the car and if they dare chase her she turns around and gets them in a head lock and growls at them and from that point the dogs learn to respect her from then on. On the other hand my other cat will run and get up on a fence or hide so I think it really depends on the cat as to how the situation will pan out , only you know your cats so watch the body language and mabey introduce the pup to the most confident cat (or the one less likely to run chasing is something that appeals to all puppies!!) so you are setting a good scene . Good luck anyway!! :fadein: