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    Talk about mixed up.........

    Neat picture pwrpufgirlz. Yes, horses developed naturally to their environment Arabians developed to their environment that has nothing to do with man manipulating the horse and trying to breed for a dished in face. That is natural selection and has nothing to do with purebred breeding. An Arabian horse is more a race or type of horse rather than a purebred. Nothing like our purebred dogs. And yeah I do ride on the trail a lot and most the horse people I talk to usually breed their quarter horses to other types of horses. Horses are not bred as poorly as purebred dogs are and horse breeders would be mortified if any one tried to breed horses the way they do dogs. As far as Thoughbreds and Standard breds I think they are just plan high strung. Just my opinion, as I said before I aint no expert Im just telling it as I reads it :lol: [quote]I wasn't talking about horse breeders though, I'm talking terrain and natural environments creating numerous characteristics among different horses, like arabians with dished in faces, small figures, raised tails, all made for speed and endurance while living in the wild in the desert. Or the connemara pony of Ireland living in the marshlands, shetland ponies of scotland, etc etc. [/quote] Exactly the way dogs were produced. They are called mongrels or races of dogs. Different types of dogs adapted to their "environment". They were spitz types in the north, kinda houndish in the warm climates, large and mastiffy in the high terrain, and some what a sheep dogish in the mountain terrain. Thats how dogs evolved just the same as horses to blend in with their environment and be healthy. Then man comes along and takes a small population of these natural breeds and starts inbreeding to make their so called perfect purebred dogs. Horse breeding is in no way as horrible as dog breeding is. Dog breeding is for physical beauty, when you start just breeding for that then you are making horrible genetic problems. Horse breeders usually are breeding for good working animals etc. Do you see the difference??? doesnt it make a lot of sense? [quote]That's why my Lab/Rott goes to the Vet more than my pure bred Jacks....... That's why she's plagued with allergies and ear infections. That's why I spend the big money on Prescription food for her and monthly grooming to make sure her ears are throughly cl [/quote] Debbie, purebredreeding has caused these problems in the first place. I think almost every purebred dog owner I talk to goes through major genetic health problems. Even my vet says he thinks purebreds are just a big genetic mess. There are purebred mongrels which there are some out there but not so much in North america, youd have a perfect dog.. Its so sad that purebred breeding started all these problems and they are infecting other dogs :( If a purebred dog has genetic problems you can't just dilute the problem by crossbreeding. The problem is going to leak out the the whole genetic pool of dogs. Kinda sad that purebred breeders are doing this horrible thing :( Any way, as I said before, I am not an expert on genetics but I have been doing a lot of reading. To me it makes total sense that purebred breeding is just wrong, especially the way purebred dog breeders go about it. There are much more healthy ways to keep the look and type of your breed by outcrossing than inbreeding and line breeding. Thats all my take on it. Thanks pwrpufgirlz for your knowledge of horses, I find it very interesting. Its neat when you think about healthy natural horse breeding compared to unnatural unhealthy dog purebred breeding Thats all Im going to say about this and sorry every one for taking this out of context. I guess reading up on this subject has opened my eyes and freaked me out quite a bit :lol: Its scary that at one time I thought purebred dogs were right, boy have I changed my mind on that one :wink:
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    Talk about mixed up.........

    [quote]Well since people are just tossing dogs together and creating breeds does that mean my new mutt is really a breed. I figured he was mutt, being husky and lab cross[/quote] First youd have to inbreed the dog for a few generations, make sure its genetically unhealthy. Then you can call it a purebred :wink: All purebreds are are descendants of mongrels, or some purebreds are the direct result of crossbreeding and then inbreeding programs. So, yes, you can create your own purebred from a mixed breed dog after a few generations. What do you call a mixture of a German Pinscher, Rottweiler, Manchester Terrier and Greyhound = a Doberman Pinscher.
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    Talk about mixed up.........

    They would look pretty neat! :D Its great to see some people creating larger gene pools for dogs. Hopefully purebred breeders will catch on pretty soon and stop inbreeding our poor pouches :( [quote]SHALAPA-POO's [/quote] I don't know what that is? :lol: Im interested in the first person on the board to let us know :lol:
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    protection training

    Very interesting. I read some where on a previous long ago post that some attacks to children (and mauling deaths) can be directly linked to predatory drift and really nice dogs some times perceiving children (running & screaming) and fearful humans as prey objects. I can't remember exactly how it was put, but, this poster said that some times a normally great family dog can go into predatory drift (kinda misdirected) to an activity that maybe the dog hasnt been properly exposed to. Or, some times when owners with small children mistake their high predatory dog's eye stalking and chasing as just play, some times it can lead to being more than play and can lead to a full out attack mainly towards children. Possibly in the dogs mind its just predatory play, but with the wrong breed and with a breed with too high a predatory drive it can lead to a dangerous situation, even with well obedeince trained dogs. I think that the training that you are comtemplating sounds like it will create a safer dog. Its great to learn more about drives etc and how to direct them properly and control them. I think a dangerous dog is a breed that has a high prey drive and belongs to an owner who doesnt understand the drives their breed has. To control and direct the drives wisely is a controlled safe dog. :wink: Thank you for sharing your knowledge. :wink:
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    protection training

    jweissg, very interesting post. I don't know much about protection training and nil about schutzhund training. But, you sound like you know what your doing and what you said about calling your dog off and knowing when a situation is no longer a threat sounds really interesting. I know some dogs have a high predatory drive and some times when a dog goes into predatory drift that dog can be VERY dangerous. Does schutzhund training teach the dog to control its high predatory drive and to use it in a controlled athmosphere? I think that would be great to rein in a high drive dog breed and teach it controlled predotory drive. As you can determine, I don't know much about prey drives but Im really interesting in learning. :wink:
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    Shedding heavily

    I think a damp cloth or a hounds glove works great on short coated dogs. Also those shedding blades are great to use. If your concerned that it may be a medical issue then get a blood test done on your dog just to rule out Thyroid problems etc. It might ease your mind just to be sure. :wink:
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    Question about heat and spaying?

  8. imported_Matty

    Mixed breeds-the truth behind them

    [quote]Maybe we should really call "purebreds" ... "inbreds"? (ducking in fear now )[/quote] desertlady, Exactly! the name pure gives a person a reason to think that these dog breeds have been around for thousands of years and that some how man is perserving the breed :roll: Purebreds should be called Inbreds because all purebred dogs were created by man by inbreeding to set behavior and conformation standards. You shouldn't feel as though you have to duck in fear :lol: This is an open forum and we are discussing things that concern us. We are discussing dogs, and we as dog lovers are concerned about the wellbeing and health of our animals. When you find out that purebred breeding is killing them then yes, we should discuss it :wink: especially when so many people tell us and jam it down our throats that purebred breeding is healthy, now we find out that its not healthy at all. Experts in the feild of genetics are warning purebred breeders about opening up their stud books and cross breed to impove the breeds. When you think a reputable breeder is usually just someone who takes an interest in a dog breed, goes to shows gets a mentor (who learned the same way). Then they get a puppy, get advise from another breeder who doesnt really have much of a clue about genetics then they breed dogs They then show them in a conformation show which we all know that you can't tell a dog is healthy just by going to a show. Then the dog that wins the shows is the one they breed cause that dog is the most talked about champion. This is even worse for dogs and its a scary and deadly way to get weak genetics and make genetic diseases. The scary part is they label these people as reputable breeders :o yikes thats scary. I can understand people labeling them responsible breeders cause yes they are responsible, they are responsible for Hip Dysplasia, Elbow dysplasia, luxating patellas and all those other wonderful genetic diseases. Purebred dogs don't fit right together anymore, they are literally falling apart. :(
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    Purebred breeding not a good idea?

    I don't want people to attack me like I have seen others attacked for trying to discuss this very same topic. So, if your purebred sensitive, don't read this post :lol: [url]http://www.canine-genetics.com/Price.htm[/url] [url]http://www.canine-genetics.com/Price.htm[/url] [url]http://www.angelfire.com/biz4/MastiffBreeder/cul-de-sac.html[/url] These sites really made me stop and think about the harm purebred breeding is doing to our dogs. :o To think that they are pulling the wool over our eyes by saying they are checking for genetic diseases in purebreds and they are creating the diseases in the first place :o talk about people pulling the wool over our eyes. I was surprised after reading this that a person who breeds those doodle breeds and other crosses is really doing dogs a favor. I feel like Im on that band wagon where other people look at disdain at :lol: it kinda makes me think about how people who first started talking about raw diets and BARF where made to feel like idiots by the so called experts. I also want to note that I am not looking for an argument. I just wanted people to read these and make up their own minds and really read what is going on. Next time I hear a breeder saying they are bettering a breed, I will roll my eyes cause now I know better.
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    Mixed breeds-the truth behind them

    [quote]i think that for people like us on the board that is accurate because we have more than a passing interest in dogs and their behavior. however for joe average dog owner who goes to the pound i don't think there is anything wrong with saying "shepherd/husky" or whatever if the physical characteristics and behavior of the dog seem to indicate that. why confuse the issue? people by nature like to label things and will tend to simplify things. as long as they treat the dog well and accept its unpredictable characteristics, what difference does it really make, except to the shepherd and husky fanciers who might know better?[/quote] [b]Quote by pyrless[/b] I think what they and kendalyn are trying to say that some mixed breeds are not really mixes of purebreds. Some mixed breeds are older than purebreds and may not have any purebred in them at all. Although they may resemble some of our current purebreds they are far older than purebred dogs. :wink: So although a dog may look like a pit mix or look like a husky mix or what ever. It may actually never have had a purebred in it at all. I think this is what they are saying and by saying this they are proving they are more dog fanciers than any one who thinks that all dogs had to come from modern day purebreds. Make sense? :lol: Really read this part over. [quote]ONE-MINUTE HISTORY LESSON [b]It isn't as though the first dogs started out as fancy purebreds and everything that isn't pure is some degenerate form of these purebreds. [/b] On the contrary. The first dogs were what we might call original village dogs. They roamed the edges of early villages and reproduced randomly. The purebreds that came along much later (mostly in the 1800s) were developed from these village dogs. [b]But the original dogs have gone right along reproducing themselves, as well, and we still see the results of their random breedings today.[/b] [b]So unless you know FOR SURE that a puppy had purebred parents, trying to guess "what breeds are in him" may be a waste of time. Because the truth may be, "No breeds at all. He comes from a long line of original village dogs." [/b] In other words, his parents and grandparents and great-grandparents may have been totally random mixtures of plain old CANINE genes -- not the more limited subset of PUREBRED genes. [/quote] I saw this book as suggested reading on this site. I bought it, still reading it :lol: and it is finally dawning on me that not all dogs come from purebred breeding programs. Just because you see a mongrel running around don't assume it may have had any purebred dogs in it at all. Remember, Mongrels are far older than any purebred you see around today. kendalyn & Courtnek, you guys make a lot of sense. I am still trying to comprehend all this stuff and open my eyes :lol: I have been so programmed that all dogs come from purebreds that its hard to digest at first. When you really get thinking about all this stuff it really opens your eyes. I just started reading on this, before I always just listened to what every one else said. :lol:
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    dog cancer experience....?

    I read in a whole dog journal issue about cancer. There was an article about feed the dog starve the cancer. Feed fresh organic raw meats, sardines with lots of omega 3 fatty acids. Lower the carb's, higher protein. I'll get the article for you.
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    Mixed breeds-the truth behind them

    I also found this in the same website I listed before. I think its pretty interesting. [quote]Mixed Breed Dogs You can't predict what a mixed breed will look or act like Because...A mixed breed is not necessarily a mix of purebreds. Someone will say, "My dog's a Shepherd-Husky," as though his dog is the offspring of a purebred German Shepherd and a purebred Siberian Husky. Or "He's a mix of Shepherd, Husky, and Collie," as though his parents and grandparents were purebred members of these three breeds. In reality, such pure crosses are not that common. It is just as likely that a mixed breed dog is the offspring of TWO OTHER mixed breed dogs. The closest purebred in his heritage may be a single grandparent or great-grandparent. He may even be the product of many generations of mixed breeding... ...with nary a purebred to be seen anywhere. The term mixed breed, then, is misleading, because it suggests that a dog who is not a purebred has to be a MIX of purebreds. Not true. ONE-MINUTE HISTORY LESSON It isn't as though the first dogs started out as fancy purebreds and everything that isn't pure is some degenerate form of these purebreds. On the contrary. The first dogs were what we might call original village dogs. They roamed the edges of early villages and reproduced randomly. The purebreds that came along much later (mostly in the 1800s) were developed from these village dogs. But the original dogs have gone right along reproducing themselves, as well, and we still see the results of their random breedings today. So unless you know FOR SURE that a puppy had purebred parents, trying to guess "what breeds are in him" may be a waste of time. Because the truth may be, "No breeds at all. He comes from a long line of original village dogs." In other words, his parents and grandparents and great-grandparents may have been totally random mixtures of plain old CANINE genes -- not the more limited subset of PUREBRED genes. Personally, I think "non-purebred" is a more accurate term than "mixed breed." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Even if you THINK you see some recognizable breed in a non-purebred dog...You may be mistaken. You're looking at a dog with black and tan markings. Does that mean he has Rottweiler in his heritage? Or Doberman? Is he part German Shepherd? Maybe not. There are only so many ways that canine parts CAN look -- and these "looks" can occur in any dog. A dog doesn't have to "get" his black and tan markings, or prick ears, or curled tail from some purebred. A non-purebred is entitled to the same basic canine genes and canine characteristics as a purebred is. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Even if a dog really IS a mix of purebreds...You can't accurately guess which ones. You're looking at a stocky white dog with a big head. A Pit Bull mix? Maybe. But other breeds come in white (say, a Boxer). Other breeds have stocky builds (say, a Labrador Retriever). Other breeds have large heads (say, a French Bulldog). Combine these other breeds and you could get a stocky white dog with a big head who LOOKS like a Pit Bull -- and yet has no Pit Bull heritage at all! In mixed breed dogs, what you see on the outside often doesn't reflect the true genes on the inside. Don't jump to conclusions that just because a non-purebred dog LOOKS LIKE some breed, then he probably IS a mix of that breed. The old saying, "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck," simply doesn't hold true for mixed breed dogs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Even if someone TELLS you what breeds are in there...They're often just guessing. Animal shelters and humane societies often post information tags about their dogs, such as "Lab mix." But in most cases, they are...Assuming that every dog MUST be a mix of some purebred. Assuming that because a dog has some body part (size, head, color) that LOOKS like a purebred, he must BE part purebred. Assuming that they can guess which purebred that might be. Even when the owner TELLS the shelter that their dog is a mix of some specific breed... the owner is often guessing, too. Or he was given misinformation from the original person HE got the dog from. Moral: Don't make your decision about which dog to adopt based on guesses of "which breeds are in him." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Even if you know FOR SURE which breeds are in him...You don't know whether those parents and grandparents were "typical" of their breed. Remember when we were talking about purebreds, how there are many purebreds who don't have the temperament and behavior typical for their breed? There are Jack Russell Terriers who are calm and quiet, Doberman Pinschers who love everyone, and Golden Retrievers who are aggressive. Don't assume that purebreds ALWAYS have certain characteristics. You're looking at a puppy at the animal shelter. The shelter manager assures you that the puppy is a Fox Terrier mix -- he personally saw the mother, he says, and she was a purebred Fox Terrier. You're concerned, because you've read that terriers can be energetic, noisy, and stubborn. You reject the puppy. But what you don't know is that this particular Fox Terrier mother was one of the calmest, quietest, and most obedient dogs you could ever hope to find. She was not typical of her breed. Perhaps her puppy may have been the same way. Now here's an example from the other side of the fence... You're looking at a puppy at the animal shelter. The shelter manager assures you that the puppy is a Saint Bernard mix -- he personally saw the mother, he says, and she was a purebred Saint Bernard. You're pleased, because you've read that Saint Bernards are good-natured, friendly dogs. You take the puppy. But what you don't know is that this particular Saint Bernard mother slunk around with her tail between her legs, scared of her own shadow and nervous around strangers. She was not typical of her breed. Her puppy may be the same way. If you don't SEE the parents, you can't assume that they automatically have the temperament and behavior their breed "is known for." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Even if you know FOR SURE which breeds are in him, and you know the parents VERY WELL...You still don't know WHICH genes a puppy will inherit from WHICH breed -- and which genes will "trump" the others. You're looking at a "Pek-a-poo" puppy. His father was a Pekingese, his mother was a Poodle. You know for sure that both of them act normal for their breed, because they live next door to you. But...since a Pekingese is very different from a Poodle, the Pekapoo puppy inherits conflicting characteristics. Will he shed heavily, like a Pekingese? Will he not shed at all, like a Poodle? Or something in between? Will he be stubborn (Pekingese)? Will he be eager to please (Poodle)? Or something in between? Perhaps the Pekingese genes will trump the Poodle genes in appearance... while the Poodle genes trump the Pekingese genes in temperament. Or vice versa. Or perhaps the genes will all blend together so that the puppy doesn't resemble either breed in appearance or temperament. You can't get around it. Non-purebred dogs are unpredictable. Now, I don't mean they're unpredictable as DOGS, as though you can't tell what they're going to DO from day to day! No, no! All I mean is that you cannot look at a non-purebred puppy and predict what he will grow up to look like and act like. To paraphrase Forrest Gump, "A non-purebred puppy is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." The solution, of course, is to look for an adult who already HAS the appearance, temperament, and behavior that you want. The difficulty with this solution, of course, is finding him! Non-purebreds tend toward the moderate The extremes of temperament and behavior often seen in purebreds are less common in non-purebreds. It is certainly possible for non-purebreds to be "very" energetic or "very" independent or "very" prone to chasing things. But many purebreds were specifically BRED to have those temperaments and behaviors because they aided the breed's performance of his work. In non-purebreds, extreme temperaments and behaviors are by happenstance rather than deliberate design. Because their temperament and behavior is more middle-of-the-road and less strongly "programmed," non-purebreds tend to be more flexible. They often adjust more easily to a greater variety of households and living conditions. If you want a dog with specific skills, such as herding sheep or pointing pheasants, or to compete in some specialized canine event such as schutzhund or lure coursing, a non-purebred is not the way to go. These are the areas where purebreds are at their very best. Health problems in non-purebreds Most individuals have good genetic diversity, i.e. their genes are unrelated and include a little of this and a little of that, which tends to promote overall health and vigor. Because their genes are usually unrelated, the chances are good that the parents of a mixed breed puppy did not both have the same defective genes. It is the pairing up of the same defective genes that causes some of the worst health problems. Mother Nature tends to make dogs moderately sized, with natural builds. For example, in non-purebreds you seldom find faces as short as a Pug. You seldom find bodies as long as a Dachshund, or as barrel-shaped as a Bulldog, or as huge as a Great Dane, or as tiny as a Maltese. Which is good, because these physical features are associated with increased health problems. It is almost unheard of for a mixed breed dog to have even one parent who has been tested for any genetic disorder. With a mixed breed dog, you have to put your faith in his genetic diversity, rather than in medical testing. Some mixed breed dogs are crosses of purebreds that share similar health problems. This means the same defective gene could come over from both parents and pair up in their puppies. For example, "Cockapoo" puppy has one Cocker Spaniel parent and one Poodle parent. Both of these breeds are prone to a long list of similar defects that could easily pair up. Some mixed breed dogs are inbred just as much or worse than purebred dogs. For example, some people who breed "Cockapoos" have only a few dogs whom they keep interbreeding. Whether purebred or mixed, it is much easier for defective genes to pair up when the gene pool is small and the dogs are related. Non-purebreds are inexpensive Many people are reluctant to spend $500 or $1000 for a purebred dog. You can get a non-purebred at the animal shelter for $25 to $75. Classified ads in the newspaper may charge the same, or may even give their puppies away free. Dog breeders sometimes speak scornfully of people who don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a dog. "If you can't afford the purchase price," they say, "how will you afford monthly food bills or emergency vet bills?" I believe these are entirely separate situations. If a beloved dog is ill, countless owners will scrape and scrounge to come up with however many hundreds (or thousands) of dollars it takes to help him, whether they found him as a stray, or paid $1000 for him. In fact, if they had to pay $1000 for him, they have that much less available to pay for health care. With all of the problems purebred dogs are facing, breeders do not have a compelling argument that you're automatically getting a better dog for all that money. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To sum up, a non-purebred can be a fine choice... if you're willing to accept whatever characteristics he grows up to have -- or if you adopt an adult so you can already see what he looks like and acts like if you raise and train him correctly if you're willing to accept the potential for genetic defects and health problems (greater in some mixes than in others) if you don't want to pay a high purchase price and if you like the idea of saving a life that no one else may have wanted [/quote]
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    Interesting article

    Since I have been reading so many posts about people mistaking purebreds and saying they have one type of purebred and some one else saying that its not that breed at all. I was just doing some reading on Purebreds and I found this site. I thought it was kinda interesting. :wink: [url]http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/tutorial1.html[/url] This part I found interesting especially since I just started reading this book. It was suggested on this forum to read, so I bought it :D [quote]Dogs: A Startling New Understanding of Canine Origin and Behavior This controversial book by Raymond Coppinger lays out a persuasive case for why purebred dogs are in serious trouble today. In the past, I followed the traditional "party line" about purebred dogs. Here are Three Sacred Truths held by virtually all dog clubs and virtually all show dog breeders: Purebreds must be preserved. The loss of any breed would be a tragedy. Responsible breeders should try to improve their breed. Breeding to "show standards" is the best way to preserve and improve breeds. Then I read Ray Coppinger's book. And I was upset. Because Coppinger shot serious holes through the Three Sacred Truths. He challenged many other ideas, as well. I tossed the book aside. I brooded about it for awhile. And I decided to give it a second chance. I'm glad I did. Because once you get over your indignation, once you recognize the inescapable truth of Coppinger's insights, you realize, to your shock and dismay, that NONE of the Three Sacred Truths are true. You realize, in fact, that if purebred dogs are to survive through the 21st century, our entire system of dog breeding must change. This is a sobering concept. And of course it is a threat to many current breeders, especially show dog breeders. They will need to get over their own indignation and their past ideas and adjust to new methods. In a dozen years or so, it is likely that many of Coppinger's ideas will be firmly rooted in the world of purebred dogs. This is a good thing. This brilliant book is a must-read if you have any interest in breeding your dog. It is a must-read for the serious student of dog breeds and dog behavior. And it is a must-read for anyone who is interested in a scientific approach to dogs. It is not the easiest book to read. Some chapters require some knowledge about genetics. But you can pick and choose which chapters you want to read -- and Chapter 7 (Household Dogs) makes eye-opening reading for everyone.[/quote] [quote][b]Purebreds are prone to health problems [/b] Bone and joint disorders that cause lameness Eye diseases that cause blindness Sudden heart disease that causes early death Epilepsy/seizures Immune system diseases Neurological diseases Skin diseases Bleeding disorders Cancers and tumors Over 300 genetic health defects have been documented in dogs, and in many purebreds, the incidence of defects is extremely high. Reasons for this include: A limited and closed gene pool. Most breeds were built on relatively few founding dogs, so the same sets of genes have been reproduced over and over since the breed began. Registries such as the AKC require that all future offspring come from the mating of dogs registered with their club. This restriction eliminates the vast majority of other dogs that would otherwise be available for breeding. Without the introduction of new and unrelated genes, in the long term all living creatures suffer "loss of genetic diversity," which inevitably leads to weaker animals with health problems. This is happening right now with purebred dogs. Breeding dogs to a detailed standard of appearance. Show breeders seek to produce dogs who match a written Standard of Conformation (for example, eyes a certain shape). To get these details right, show breeders limit the gene pool even more by rejecting breeding stock who might be healthy and good-tempered, but who can't "deliver" in eye shape. Breeding to some standard is how breeds are developed in the first place, but eventually it results in loss of genetic diversity, which as we've said, leads to problems with health and vigor. Breeding the same champion dogs over and over. This floods the breed not only with the same sets of good genes, but also with the same sets of bad genes. TEN-SECOND BIOLOGY LESSON: The average dog carries an estimated 4 to 6 defective genes in his DNA. These genes are usually recessive, which means a dog needs TWO of the same gene in order for the defect to be expressed. If he has only ONE of that gene, that means its partner gene (genes come in pairs) is normal and will "cover up" the defective gene. Such a dog will be a "carrier" of the defect, but he isn't himself sick. But when the same few dogs are bred repeatedly, as is done with the most successful show dogs, their particular defective genes become more common throughout the breed. Then the chances are much greater that two dogs with the SAME defective gene will get bred together -- and the defect gets expressed. Frequent inbreeding. Many, many pedigrees show the same dog, or even several of the same dogs, listed twice in the first few generations. By breeding together two dogs who are closely related (who share many of the same genes), you run a greater risk of the same defective genes coming together in the puppies. Show breeders only call it "inbreeding" when they breed parent-to-offspring or brother-to-sister. They call it "linebreeding" when they breed grandparent-to-grandchild, uncle-to-niece, aunt-to-nephew, or cousin-to-cousin. But geneticists say that this is simply splitting hairs. Within the small gene pool of purebred dogs, all of these pairings are inbreeding. Making dogs larger and heavier. If you fool around too much with Mother Nature, you get increased bone and joint disorders, and a much shorter lifespan (7-10 years in many large breeds, compared to 13-16 years for smaller dogs). If this risk is okay with you, and if you can afford the potential vet bills, fine. Just so you're aware. Breeding for unnatural builds. Breeds with short faces (such as Bulldogs and Pugs) are sweet dogs, but they can't breathe normally and are prone to many health disorders. Breeds with long bodies (such as Dachshunds) are prone to crippling back problems and paralysis. If this risk is okay with you, and if you can afford the potential vet bills, fine. Just so you're aware. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All About Health Testing Breed clubs are working hard to identify and manage the defects and diseases that are wreaking such havoc in the dog world. Committees and foundations have been formed, and millions of dollars have been spent on research. As a result, medical tests have been developed for some disorders. These can show whether a dog has the disorder, or not. For example, x-rays can detect hip dysplasia and elbow dysplasia, which cause crippling. An ophthalmic exam can determine the presence of PRA and cataracts, which cause blindness. A cardiac exam can detect certain heart diseases. Someone who tests prospective parents for specific disorders before breeding them together has the breed's best interests at heart. Most health tests simply show whether a dog is displaying the disorder at the time of the test. Even after testing clear, he could still develop it next month. And he could still have it hidden in his genes, to be passed on to his puppies. You'll have to do some research and decide for yourself how much faith to put in the different medical tests as predictors of how healthy a puppy may be. DNA Testing Is Much More Reliable DNA testing for some genetic diseases is just beginning. A DNA test can determine with certainty whether a dog has, or carries, or is completely clear of a specific disease. For example, the DNA test for Progressive Retinal Atrophy in Labrador Retrievers will show whether a Lab has, carries, or is completely clear of PRA, a dreadful disease that leads to blindness. At the current time, DNA testing is limited to only a very few diseases AND only a very few breeds. For example, there is a DNA test for detecting PRA in Irish Setters... but not (yet) in Golden Retrievers or Cocker Spaniels. In other words, DNA testing is breed-specific. [b]Geneticists warn us that even if DNA testing included all diseases and all breeds, we wouldn't eliminate genetic disease from purebred dogs. Why? Because of the current breeding practices I described above. A continuing loss of genetic diversity leads to less healthy, less resistant animals. Even if the current canine diseases were eliminated through DNA testing, different diseases would simply pop up and take their place in the closed, weakening gene pool. If current breeding practices continue, purebred dogs are stuck in a hopeless loop.[/b] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many show dog breeders will be upset by what I've written here. But this information is well-known to dog people who have studied the science of genetics. [b]"We shall all have to rise above our own narrow individual interests and perspectives if we are to save our purebred dog world from genetic disaster." Dr. Jeffrey Bragg, author of "Purebred Dog Breeds Into The 21st Century: Achieving Genetic Health For Our Dogs." [/b] If you'd like to learn more about the serious problems that purebred dogs are facing, and how current breeding practices might be changed for the better, send an email to [email][email protected][/email]. I will email you some eye-opening articles! Purebreds can be very expensive Finally, many dog breeds are extremely expensive: $500, $800, $1200. You can cut these prices way down if you stick with adolescents or adults from animal shelters and rescue groups, and sometimes from classified ads in the newspaper. The trade-off is that virtually none of these dogs come from parents who were screened for genetic health defects. In some breeds, certain health disorders are a virtual epidemic and you are taking a much greater risk if you acquire a dog whose parents weren't officially tested and declared free of these specific disorders. In other breeds, the risk is much less. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To sum up, a purebred dog can be a fine choice... if you know exactly what characteristics you want in a dog if there is a breed who actually HAS the characteristics you want if you're willing to accept whatever other traits that breed happens to have if you acquire your puppy from someone who consistently produces puppies who grow up WITH those characteristics -- or if you acquire an adult dog so you can see that he ALREADY has those characteristics if you raise and train him correctly if you're willing to accept the potential for genetic defects and health problems (much greater in some breeds than in others) and if you're willing to pay several hundred dollars for your dog -- unless you find one through an animal shelter or rescue group [/quote] I just thought this was interesting and I stumbled upon it by mistake.
  14. imported_Matty


    I read about some people using Yucca root to kill the smell of deadly farts! :wink: just in case you want to counteract those smelly quality times together with your pets. :wink: you can give Yucca to horses too. There are some Gluc/Chom/ Yucca supplements in my green hawk horse supply magazine.
  15. imported_Matty

    Feeding times

    I feed different things for the meals. For one of my dogs (the one that bloats) I feed kibble mixed with soft food in the morning and in the evening I feed a raw meal. My dogs enjoy the variety in their diet and especially love it when they get a few raw meals. You could try in the morning feeding raw meat; what I do is I cut beef or chicken/Lamb or some other protein source I give a different protein source which i change weekly. I mix in some organ meats like liver/heart and some ground up meat like ground hamburg/turkey/chicken or lamb. Then I add a couple tablespoon fulls of puried veggies and fruits mixed with hemp or flax oil, organic yogurt with live bacteria cultures, kelp, and what ever else I have in my cupboard that healthy. With the differnt types of meals my dogs don't get bored. I never feed the same brand of kibble either. Every 4-5 months I change brands, for instance I fed Innova, now Im feeding wellness, next I'll feed Solid gold then eagle pack then back to Innova, and I mix in California naturals some times as well. Variety is good for health of your dog and its good to keep your dog interested in what he/she is eating. :wink: Like DO I never feed kibble without adding canned food or fresh meats and veggies or yogurt. I think it just looks plain boring and unhealthy. :wink: