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  1. *Having trouble submitting posts, I may have to post the rest of this at a later time*
  2. So I humped it back home after a brief stop at the new house so that my stray could get a drink of water from the toilet. it was sometime after 3:30 when I got back to the house. I called Hannah's cell phone to have her pick me upand we'd go scour the other neighborhood, but she said she already had them and was driving around looking for me. Now hang on with me here because things are getting stranger. Here's the story Hannah told me: After dropping off the sander she came home to pick up the spare leash and then went to all of the immediate neighbors' to ask if they saw or heard anything. She then drove around for awhile (nobody she talked to saw them either) and then came back to the house to call the police. Cops said they had a report from someone who picked up two dogs and told her to check the pound because that's where the woman said she was taking them. Hannah got to the pound at about 3:00, just as the woman was trying to coax China out of her car so she could put her in a holding pen. This woman (who it turns out happens to be a frequent client at the clinic I work at) says that she came home at 1:00 and saw her next door neighbors trying to round up China (who would have none of that) while they had Zoey tied up in their yard. The woman knew something was wrong with that situation, and being her blessedly nosey self, sje atarted in on her neighbors trying to find out what was really going on. At one point they said that they found the girls running stray and tried to take them to the vet but they were closed. The woman asked if they were going to call animal control, to which they replied that they wouldn't and the dogs would find their own way home. Yet they had Zoey tied up in their yard while at the same time trying to catch China. :-?
  3. For starters, I've not been around for a few weeks now, I've been busy and things have not been going smoothly. Hannah and I had to go to Maryland for a week and a half to sort through her mother's house (she died a year ago). That was 11 days of long-ass car rides, crazy baby-sitting duties, digging through dust and mouse poo, and getting chock full of ticks fleas and chiggers. All of this was in the middle of trying to close on our new house. Which we finally did 3 days ago, but not whithout some hellacious snags (which probably happens to every first time buyer, but that comforts me little). I still have a whole lot of work to do in the next couple weeks as far as working on the house and getting moved so I probably won't be regular here again for a little longer. So, to the point... My girls ended up missing today, and let me give you the details because I think something is fishy about the whole deal. My plan was to go over to the new house today to finish up sanding the floors. Hannah worked last night so she's be sleeping for the first part of the day and we had to have the rental sander back to Lowe's at 2:30. So the idea was for me to put Alina down for a nap at noon and then head to the new house to do what I needed to do there while Hannah and Alina were sleeping. I left at 12:30 after packing the car with some closet stuff to take to the new house. When Hannah finally showed up at the house at about 2:30 (late as usual) she asked me where the dogs were, thinking that I took them with me because she didn't see them when she got up. The girls are sometimes really good at blending into the background so I wasn't too concerned at first, all the same we loaded up the sander and swung by the old house just to double check. And sure enough, they weren't there. Now I was upset, and puzzled at the same time, I can't figure out how they got out and I know they were both there when I left. As usual Zoey asked to be let into the bedroom about mid-morning to take a nap (I keep the door shut while Hannah sleeps). And I had let China outside for a bit while Alina ate her lunch. When I went into the bedroom to get my boots and go I didn't take any notive as to whether or not Zoey was there, but I sure she was sleeping hidden away in the corner at the foot of the bed where she always does. I distinctly remember calling China into the house when I closed and locked the back door because I scowled at her when she looked at me as if she expected something to eat when I went into the fridge to grab a soda to take to the house with me. And then I left, I closed the front door, I always lock it without thinking about it so I can't say for certain whether I actually did or not. So then the dogs went missing sometime between 12:30 and 1:15 (when Hannah got up). Lacking anything better to do at the time, I sent Hannah to return the sander and then cruise the neighborhoods in the car while I grabbed the leashes and went out on foot. I left the backyard gate open and went down every street in a two block radius and no one that I talked to had seen them (which was strange because Zoey will always find people). After that I humped it over to the dog park to see if they may have decided to take themselves. Didn't find them there, but I did find someone else's dog just outside the park. He looked like he could be a Basset Hound/Husky-type mix and I couldn't find an owner for him so I snapped a leash on him and decided that I could leave him in my backyard and take him to the address on his tag later. On the way back to my house we came past a house whose family was picknicking on their front lawn, and so where their dogs. the dogs were unleashed and came over to cause a ruckus (yeesh, it never ends), and after the owner got them under control I ended up talking to the people. I told them I was looking for my dogs, a husky mix and a Borzoi mix, and of course they hadn't seem them. And then the grandma pipes up and just in passing says that she did see a shepherd and an afghan a little earlier in the afternoon. Close enough for me, and after giving a detailed description I was able to determin that those were my dogs, sighted somewhere around 1:00 and in a whole other part of town about 3 miles straight line from our house (and across a VERY busy 4 lane road).
  4. I'm watching it too incidently. Not a very good looking Cat' in my opinion, seems a real shame that they're flashing a relatively pristine and not urban-friendly breed on a TV show. Wonder how many people are going to watch this and think "Wow, what a cool-looking dog. I should get one". BTW, there is a damn good looking Bulldog that's on this show.
  5. I could be wrong, but I believe that in the US most hunt parties actually capture and then release the fox after the hunt is over. With regards to the thoughts that all "contact" canine sports are somehow inhumane, I disagree. This sentiment seems to paint the image that dogs are somehow forced into participating in something they have no desire to do. I think the real issue in this regard is not in the truest sense a real concern for the dogs' well being, but much more so an issue of personal ethics and moral standpoint. Just because you or I don't want to chase down a small furry animal and kill it with our bare hands, doesn't mean that our dogs shouldn't have the desire to. In our society cruelty to animals, or anything deemed as "helpless and at your mercy", is considered morally wrong (and most of these types of people tend to harbour serious mental deficiencies), and as such many of us impart this belief system to our animals. It seems like we often forget that dogs, by nature, are aggressive predatory animals, they find nothing wrong with fighting and killing other animals. While I can't promise that I know as a fact what any dog wants or doesn't want, I'm quite sure that most of them would (and do) gladly risk injury or death for the chance to take on anything from a squirril to mountain lion. With the exception of pit fighting, in which the animals can't hope to escape eachother if they wanted to, you can't make a dog hunt another animal. They either have the drive, or gameness, to do so, or they don't. Don't kid yourselves, the same behavioral traits that make dogs into good pets are the same ones that make them effective predators. I can tell you that Zoey would love nothing more than to be coursed in open field trials after rabbits, it's part of her nature, and trust me she doesn't have the same vigor when going after an inanimate object. If I had the time and freedom to travel I would love to do game coursing with her (even though I don't eat rabbit), it would be something that she loves to do, So is that considered inhumane? Humans that participate in dangerous sports such as football, boxing, or rock-climbing, do so only out of personal desire, but they similarly risk their well being to do something they love. So just because atheletes often suffer serious and painful injuries (often at the hands of other atheletes), does that mean that such sports are inhumane and should be banned? Also in regards to hunting, this is one of the few places where dogs still have a legitimate working role. Some animals have to have their populations kept in check, albeit this is due to human stupidity, but it still needs to be done as a result. In the US the most notable dangerous animals that a dog would hunt would be bears, boars, and (rarely) mountain lions, which often need to be destroyed due to environmental or safety factors. Hounds are needed to track the game, and hold it in place (bay) until the hunter can arrive and dispatch it. I've seen wild pigs in action, and I've even had two of them come after me once, trust me when I say that if you were a boar hunter the chances would be good that you'd be ass-out when 400 lbs of true belief that you didn't know was there came after you through through the brush. Yeah, dogs get seriously injured and even killed baying dangerous animals, but they do it because they have a mind to. The only force in the world that will make a couple dogs confront a large angry predator is called free will. Calling these 'blood hunts' inhumane and banning them would rob hunters the chance to effectively catch thier game and rob dogs of something they enjoy. After my last post in this thread I've been trying to figure out excactly why I dislike dog fighting, and I think that it has primarily to do with what is commonly thought of as pit fighting today. And by that I mean the heartless thug dog fighters who see their Pitbulls almost as an inanimate disposable object, with no regard to the animal's wellfare at all. Often times the dogs involved in these situations have no choice other than to fight or to die, let alone that these animals are usually denied the proper social interaction that dogs require to be happy. Had I no prior knowedge of the malicious practices of the common criminal dog fighters I might not find myself in disagreement with what has been described in this thread as a responsible proper match between dogs. However, despising the thug-type pit fighting so much, I just can't make the jump to finding "responsible" dog matches acceptable, there is just too close of a connection. Also here's something to chew on. What if dog matches were arranged with muzzled dogs? I realize there there probably wouldn't be much point in it for those who would be interested in matching their dogs, but would some of you who who find fighting unacceptable be OK with muzzled "wrestling" matches (just assume that muzzles wouldn't get pulled off etc..)? Just something to throw out there and see what you think.
  6. Thanks for the info Irena. I too am not so terribely impressed with the males, I think when the time comes my descision will be based on what dogs are will be used to produce the litter. As far as breed recreations go, I have to keep in mind that some of our established breeds today are recreations. The two that come to mind right away are the irish Wolfhound and the Field Spaniel. It seems like the trend for many breeders today is to recreate the origional English Bulldog. Some of these dogs I've seen pictures of are nice looking (some are just damn ugly) but how can one expect to recreate a breed that wouldn't have had any sort of standard to begin with? I guess I should read more in depth on the Banter website but my guess would be that Banters didn't have a set breed standard either. Maybe I just don't care for these guys because it seems like everyone seems to be out to recreate one version of the Bulldog or another.
  7. I see the point to Alan's query and I thought it to be a very srticulate and well-thought post. I think there is a big difference with dog fighting in modern times than in the past. Not so much about the actual specifics about the practice, but about it's social acceptance in the past. In current times, with our complacent society and our desire to throw a big ol' padded blaket around everything to keep it from getting an owie, people (the minimally educated masses) mostly despise dog-fighting and Pitbulls because they are simply used to authorities telling them that they should. They are told dog fighting is illegal and inhumane because dogs are maiming and killing eachother. Pitbulls are a dog fighting breed and therefore are bad. It's political and media propoganda, and it creates something of a mass hysteria effect until it brought around the thought process of "If Pitbulls are bred to fight eachother to the death, then they're surely viscious and life-threatening animals". Joe Schmoe just can't seem to make the simple leap to thinking that just because Pitbulls are dog aggressive, doesn't mean that they aren't human freindly. Just as their Jack Russell Terriers and Whippets will chase and kill anything smaller than themselves, yet still be great and (and not life-threatening) docile companians. I can only guess at the actual original reason for banning dog fighting, I suppose I could do some research and find something out. Bull and bear fighting was obviously outlawed because it was blatantly inhumane, espescially seeing as how the bait animal was almost always tethered and had no chance of surving the cruel encounter. Maybe the criteria for banning dog-fighting was simply because the dogs the dogs were penned-in and thus 'imprisoned' into fighting with no other choice. I dunno, but that's the only logic to it that comes to my mind right now. By the way, does anyone know if ratting was outlawed as well? Now here is where I have to ask myself if setting two Pitbulls against eachother, in what is to be assumed a non-lethal match, any more inhumane than setting a few Walker Hounds against a mad-as-hell boar? To me, the answere is no, in fact boar hunting may be a little less humane because those pigs will, and often do, kill or maim hounds when they can. So I guess boar hunting should be illegal too? In my mind no. Boars are terribley aggressive and destructive to the habitat, in the US they are not a native species and need to be culled in order to keep their populations in check. And I know this from first hand experience, you've got to be one ballsey bastard to get anywhere near those things without dogs to keep them at bay. So if boar hunting should be legal, then should'nt dog fights also be legal? I dunno. I just can't seem to bring myself to say yes no matter how logical I might work it out to be, maybe I just suffer from the same social stigma beaten into my head saying that dog fighting is bad. I'll finish up by saying that I've lately had a growing animosity toward the general social sentiment that all living thing should be protected from all harm at any cost. Violent sports are by far not my own cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that I think that they should all disappear. These are some of the things that have defined us throughout history and today, I'm not sure I'd want to live in a world where bad things didn't happen. It's just not the way the world works, and if that how someone truely feels then they should stop eating hamburgers and wearing leather and buying commercial produce and go live in a hermitage out in the woods. When you look at the big picture of things almost every amenity (sp?) that we enjoy comes at the cost of someone or something else. Life destroys life and begets life. Wow, I hope at least some of this makes some sort of sense, I'm getting really tired and I'm not a good marathon typist.
  8. i don't feel sorry for the Lab owner a bit, sorry but that dumb turd-sucker deserves every lick of trouble and inconvienience those dogs cause him. Because it's his own damn fault any way you want to put it. He could have made sure he aquired dogs with parents who had sound temperments and conformation, and failing that he obviously didn't recognize a serious temperment issue and implement the proper training. Maybe the dogs were of sound parenting, but this guy failed horribly in basic training and socialization. Or he could have adopted the dogs who may have come from a bad environment and their aggresion isn't his fault, he still could have bought a couple of muzzles. Now, I'm not saying that it's unacceptable to have dog-aggressive dogs (nevermind the fact that these were Labs), these things happen sometimes, even to the best of dogs. But you do definately have to be in control of them, which this guy sounds like he doesn't have.
  9. [quote name='FearedDogFan']That Pit Bull and that cropped Cane Corso look so similiar, it's totally amazing. :o I didn't realize they had that much in common. I like AmBulls. And Bull Boxers. Do Bull Boxers have much in common with these other breeds? Love the pics so much! Thanks for sharing. :wink:[/quote] Actually they don't have all that much in common except for some distant shared mastiff ancestor. Corso are of a definate mastiff conformation, if you look at Mei-Mei's pic and compare it to a Neopolitain or English Mastiff you'll see alot of similarities. Except for the ears, which on the cropped Corso are really the only similarity to the Pitbull pic, of course that's just my opinion and I have a trained eye for distinguishing animal morphology. Some Am. Bulldogs look obviously different from Pits, but those big mastiffy looking dogs are of the Johnson type. There's alot of variance in AB conformation mostly because there is no standard for conformation and there are severeal different breeding lines all with a different goal as to what the ideal Bulldog is, but even whithin the 'types' there's a good deal of conformation variance. Here's some more Bulldogs that kind of show the spectrum, the middle two pics are definately Johnson dogs, and probably the top one too though it's hard to tell. The bottom dog is definately a Scott's or some other type: [img]http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:YZiypxakQgIJ:americanbulldogsmn.tripod.com/sugar2001.jpg[/img] [img]http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:XbRyEQpVcuIJ:www.american-bulldog.ee/dutch4.jpg[/img] [img]http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:UbVw1xvhhi4J:www.americanbulldogkennels.com/images/Angus-at-10-months-pic-1.jpg[/img] [img]http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:EwepwHfA670J:www.newunderwood.k12.sd.us/images/american_bulldog.jpg[/img]
  10. [quote name='AllAmericanPUP'] a cane corso looks much more like a pit bull than a bulldog does. either way you're going to have people calling your dog a pit bull because the JQ public is a bunch of morons :D and OMG look at this cutie..a bit far from you :lol: but he's gorgeous! [url]http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=3779014&adTarget=&SessionID=42f7757f05126bca-app1&display=&preview=1&row=0&tmpl=&stat=[/url][/quote] You think so? I guess that just shows how opinions differ. i think they look basically mastiff-ish, especially with uncropped ears. You're right though, that most uneducated people wouldn't be able able to tell the difference with either breed, I figured that someone who is a little less undeucated would be able to differentiate Corso from Pits.
  11. [quote name='K'][b]Sorry I have to do it[/b] [url]http://www.petfinder.org/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=4851851&adTarget=&SessionID=42f74543315d8b46-app5&display=&preview=1&row=0&tmpl=&stat=[/url] You must at least agree to try Petfinder when the time comes![/quote] LOL, somehow I knew you would, and wouldn't have expected any less. I have actually been keeping an eye on adoptions, but that probably won't be a viable option for me. As much as I dislike puppy care, I feel that I definately need to get a male puppy. With my girls, especially China, I don't think I'd have much luck with bringing and adult dog home of a basically dominant breed. My girls also have their own 'unenforced' heirarchy dynamic that I want the new dog to pick up if possible. And then I also want it to form the strongest bond possible with my daughter, something alot more easily accomplished with a puppy. Trust me though, if an appropriate pup shows up on an adoption list I'd be all over it. Mei-Mei, I went with Corsos for a few reasons, one of them being the shedding factor. We had our list of possiblities down to Corsos, American Bulldogs, and Rotties. I eventually ruled out Rotts due to the commonality factor and the problems associated with a popular breed. We finally ruled out Bulldogs because (and I hate to admit this) I don't won't to deal with any of the stigmas associated with a Pitbull look-alike.
  12. [quote name='Lucky Chaos']I don't see any titles on the dogs, maybe they're just not listed. They say they do health testing, though checking the OFA database only one of their females is listed. None of the others have OFA scores on their pages either, whihc I would then assume means they arn't checked. I don't know, send them an email and ask why they don't have titles (aside from GCG's) or OFA scores?[/quote] Good point LC, I'll have to look further into that. Good thing I have plenty of time for research. I'm pretty sure hips and elbows are the only common problem with this breed (also cherry eye I think). I didn't note where they only give a year on OFA's, which would be pointless. Does OFA even accept a registry on dogs less than 2? I guess the answere is yes, but that would seem foolish on their part. Mayhaps why they don't have OFA scores posted.
  13. We've decided on our next dog. I found this Corso breeder, and they seem to look pretty ethical to me, of course I realize that what's on the web site may not reflect real life, but it all appears to look good so far. [url]http://crestwoodscorsos.com/[/url] Seems like everything is in order with these guys, and they're only a couple hours away from us, so we'll be able to pay them a visit and check them out in person. It's still going to be awhile before we get a new dog, I want Alina to be at least three and a half or four before bringing a puppy into the house. I kinda feel like I'm jumping the gun with the news, but I was pretty stoked at finding this breeder and felt like sharing. So I'm hoping to contact these folks and pay them a visit before the winter arrives, but we have some buisiness to take care of in Maryland pretty soon and right after that we'll be (hopefully) moving into a new house, so it I may not get out there until next spring. Anyhow, if anyone sees anything that doesn't seem quite right, let me know as this will be my first time dealing with a breeder for a dog.
  14. Good luck with Fritz when you hit the vet tomorrow, I just hope it's not a cruciate tear.
  15. Sighthounds of all types are usually considered quite stupid. Not true of course, it's part of their character to know what they are all about and don't feel the need to be told what to do. Then there's the rumor that huskies belong and even prefer being outdoors all the time. I have yet to meet one that (given the chance) didn't like like being indoors just as much, if not moreso, as being outside. Irish Setters: I go with the stereotype with regards to americanized bloodlines. There may be some breeders working to restore the breed but for the most part americans had sacrificed the basic working fundementals of the breed in order to create a better show dog.
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