JaquelineC

Look X - I realize that you DID NOT want this to happen, and that your heart must be totally broken. I [b]DO[/b] feel for you in your situation, almost as much as I feel for your son and your dog - I am NOT trying to bash you or say that you are a stupid or horrible person. We ALL make mistakes - We are ALL human. The ONLY thing that I was trying to point out was that it was, in fact, a mistake on your part - And that I would hope you would realize that and learn from this horrible experience... Otherwise, the whole thing would really be for naught, as not even a lesson would've been learned. No one else could bring themselves to 'go there' for whatever reasons they may have, but I am not trying to hurt you or make you feel worse. I'm just hoping that as you look back on this situation, you see what you could've done differently - That's all anyone could ask or hope for. I'm sorry for upsetting you. I [b]DO[/b] know how you feel, at least to some extent, and my heart goes out to you and yours. - Jaqueline

Please show me where I said that you were LOOKING for attention OR sympathy - Said you were GETTING a lot of sympathy, and the tone of your post DOES sound like you're making yourself out to be the victim, but I never said you were posting for that reason. I was responding to Goo, that's all. Read the first post I made on this thread, I wouldn't call it 'negative' - I didn't start getting 'negative' until you continued denying responsibility for the situation - 'They didn't fight that much' - 'It usually wasn't that bad...' - Etc. You were making it sound like this dog just 'went insane' one day and all of this stuff just happened - And that you were without fault in the situation. I said from the beginning that I didn't want to be the 'bad guy' in this situation - But someone HAD to say SOMETHING at LEAST for the benefit of the people reading this thread and taking something away from it. doG forbid that some newbie reads this and thinks that some dogs just 'go crazy' for no reason out of the blue, or that it's not a bad idea to house two aggressive dogs together (even after they show aggression towards each other) and then blame the dog and euthanize when the INEVITABLE happens.

[quote name='gooeydog']Everyone makes mistakes, some bigger than others. The thing I have a problem with is someone who has also had more than one (some more serious than others) preventable accident with their own dogs openly condemning someone else as if they have never made a mistake themselves. [/quote] EVERYONE makes mistakes, and I was NOT condemning her in the LEAST. Once again, she was making herself sound like a victim, and getting a lot of sympathy. Every incident that I have EVER had, I have taken 100% responsibility for from the BEGINING and LEARNED from the incident. I have NEVER asked for anyone's sympathy, nor have I ever made myself out to be an innocent victim - EVERY accident/incident that happens with/to my dogs is MY fault and responsibility. Show me ONE post where I blamed ANYONE but myself for Deuce's accidents with the truck & rope, or Luna's leg. Show me ONE - But you won't find ONE, because from the first moment I was posting as a WARNING to other owners - Like 'Hey guys! Don't make the same mistake I just did!' Everyone makes mistakes, it is that individual's decision as to whether or not they stand up and take responsibility for their actions and learn from their mistakes, or brush it off as a 'bad dog' or 'bad situation' - Taking NO responsibility for your actions and their consequences, and be doomed to repeat history. That's the difference. Get it?

[quote name='JaquelineC'][quote name='xavierandrea']I think you are missing the point that my girls didn't always fight.[/quote] The last time they fought your son was bitten. [b]I'm wondering WHY the dogs were able to get to each other again after that point[/b]. You didn't say one rushed out the door or busted out of a crate to get to the other, from your post it sounded like they were loose together. [quote name='xavierandrea']Unless you are in my shoes DO NOT JUDGE ME!!!!!!!!!! [/quote] 1) You see, I would never BE in your shoes, because MY dogs would've been separated [i]permanently[/i] after the FIRST sign of aggression towards each other. 2) When you post your business on the internet, you are putting yourself out there to be judged. If you don't want someone questioning why you had two rotts that hate each other (have fought before, and have injured your child during one of these fights in the recent past) in a situation where they were able to fight [i]AGAIN[/i] for [i]TWENTY MINUTES (?!)[/i] and injure your son [i]AGAIN[/i] - [b]DON'T POST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE[/b]. I can't believe that no one else has commented on this. This is one of the most irresponsible posts I've seen in a while. [quote name='xavierandrea']No one wants to find out that there beloved pet has gone crazy![/quote] Blaming it on your dog for being crazy...! You know what I think is crazy...? Not separating those rotts the first time they showed signs of aggression towards each other! They have showed you repeatedly that they DO NOT LIKE each other and that they WOULD fight if given the chance - Things escclate to the point where your son is bitten TWICE within a short period of time and then you start screaming 'Insanity'?! [quote name='xavierandrea']...Always when they did begin fighting nothing became of it.[/quote] What did you think would happen? The fights would get LESS intense over time if you just let them 'work it out'? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand all of the sympathy going around here. This situation was 100% preventable, and you brought it on yourself. Let the flaming begin... :([/quote] Do you have any response to any of the things I have written here? [quote]P.S. No need for your WAKE UP CALL!!!! I'm a big girl and I can wake myself up!!!![/quote] I hope, for the sake of your dogs and your son, that you wake yourself up a little sooner next time around. :(

[quote name='__crazy_canine__']JC, ok yes it was her fault for not sperating them but dont you think she feels bad enough already?!? Back off a little bit... she needs some support right now not bashing, even if it is truthful. Sorry xavierandrea but she does have a point. :([/quote] I understand that she feels badly. I'm sure I understand her situation better than she knows… My intention is not to make her feel worse, however I don't think that portraying herself as the victim in this situation is right. It was NOT just a 'bad dog' - And this COULD HAVE been prevented... I think it's important that she know that and hopefully use it to make better decisions in the future - Not make it into a 'poor me' pity-fest. I wasn't even going to go 'there' - But her response to me made me feel the need to attempt to deliver a little 'wake up call'... Whether or not she acknowledges that and learns for her mistakes will be her decision. Sorry for ruffling any feathers, but I felt that something needed to be said on this point.

[quote name='xavierandrea']I think you are missing the point that my girls didn't always fight.[/quote] The last time they fought your son was bitten. [b]I'm wondering WHY the dogs were able to get to each other again after that point[/b]. You didn't say one rushed out the door or busted out of a crate to get to the other, from your post it sounded like they were loose together. [quote name='xavierandrea']Unless you are in my shoes DO NOT JUDGE ME!!!!!!!!!! [/quote] 1) You see, I would never BE in your shoes, because MY dogs would've been separated [i]permanently[/i] after the FIRST sign of aggression towards each other. 2) When you post your business on the internet, you are putting yourself out there to be judged. If you don't want someone questioning why you had two rotts that hate each other (have fought before, and have injured your child during one of these fights in the recent past) in a situation where they were able to fight [i]AGAIN[/i] for [i]TWENTY MINUTES (?!)[/i] and injure your son [i]AGAIN[/i] - [b]DON'T POST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE[/b]. I can't believe that no one else has commented on this. This is one of the most irresponsible posts I've seen in a while. [quote name='xavierandrea']No one wants to find out that there beloved pet has gone crazy![/quote] Blaming it on your dog for being crazy...! You know what I think is crazy...? Not separating those rotts the first time they showed signs of aggression towards each other! They have showed you repeatedly that they DO NOT LIKE each other and that they WOULD fight if given the chance - Things escclate to the point where your son is bitten TWICE within a short period of time and then you start screaming 'Insanity'?! [quote name='xavierandrea']...Always when they did begin fighting nothing became of it.[/quote] What did you think would happen? The fights would get LESS intense over time if you just let them 'work it out'? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand all of the sympathy going around here. This situation was 100% preventable, and you brought it on yourself. Let the flaming begin... :(

[quote name='pitbullEmily']I'm so sorry for all of you. I hope your son won't be too scarred by this. We all need to heed the lesson here. When you have dogs that have demonstrated this level of hatred for each other, they must be separated at all times. No letting your guard down! It's possible to maintain this level of dog-household management, but it's certainly beyond what most people can deal with. again, my sympathies.[/quote] Good post PBE... I don't want to be the 'bad guy' here, but why on earth were those dogs allowed access to each other to fight again after you KNEW they would fight if given the chance...? My dogs have never 'gotten into it' - And they will NEVER have the opportunity to do it again if it happens once (as they would be kept separated at all times from that point on). So sorry for your situation, I hope your son is ok. :(

[quote name='anne3149']Jacqueline C: Please do not attribute a dog fight to human aggression. Rottweilers suffer enough unwarranted bad publicity as it is. There was no mention of human aggression at all. Rottweiler owners get their back up the same as Pit Bull owners do when human aggression is wrongly attributed to the breed.[/quote] I didn't attribute a dog fight to human aggression - I am not stupid. I am owned by THREE American Pit Bull Terriers, two of them unaltered. I know the difference between animal/dog and human aggression - I explain the concept to clueless people who are terrified of my dogs on a daily basis. I was simply wondering whether or not it was considered acceptable to attempt to rehome a rott who has bitten someone - As that would NOT be considered acceptable in the breed I own. I didn't say that her rott, or rotts in general, were killers by nature. I must have misunderstood something about the dog bite - As I read it, the dog bit her son, and that was the reason for rehoming her. If it had been a pit bull and it had bitten her son, while in the heat of a fight or not, it would not be considered responsible to try and rehome the dog. I was wondering why the policy's different for rotts - The original purpose they were bred for is different? Less bite inhibition? I like rotties, though I know very little about them. It was an honest question - I'm trying to learn more about the breed. I wasn't judging the situation, the person, the dog, or the breed in the least. - JaQUeline

[quote name='Smooshie']...... and from what I remember, the PAST dog bite that you mentioned was more like an accidental "head butt" while playing....different situation...AND different dog, if I remember correctly :niewiem:[/quote] Actually the 'past' dog bite I was mentioning was the one she wrote about in her first post in this thread - I don't know any of the background info on this person or his/her situation. Thanks for trying to help me understand Sasha. :)

I'm really sorry you're going through this - It must be very hard on your and your family... Please don't bash me as this is an honest question - I don't know anything about rotties... Why would anyone try to rehome a human-aggressive dog that is large enough to take down a human - Who has lashed out and bitten a child in the past? Is human aggression an accepted trait in rotties? Is this considered 'normal' behavior? The only breed I really have experience with are APBTs - And I know in this breed human aggression is NOT tolerated by responsible owners. Maybe things are different with rotts (due to being bred for a different purpose, etc)...? :confused1:

Can you tell if this is marking behavior, or is he actually relieving himself? You say he was an outside dog - Has he had any potty training whatsoever? If he's actually stopping and peeing a 'bladder full' it's probably due to a medical reason, or that he's not house trained. What were the pills for that the vet gave you? Did s/he give you any reason to believe that his peeing might be due to a health issue? When my boy Deegan first came home, he marked all over my frickin' house. Deegan's not neutered, but since your boy was only neutered recently, it is most likely that he is marking his territory and this behavior is not stemming from a medical issue - The fact that he probably hasn't had any house training doesn't help, I'm sure. Based only on what you have written, I would suggest the following: 1: Frequent potty breaks with big-time rewards and praise for going outside. If you catch him going inside, a sharp 'NO!' and straight outside, where you can praise/treat him if he 'finishes' out there. 2: Crate training - When you are not home or right there to supervise him, crate him. Most dogs will not eliminate (unless they absolutely HAVE to) if they're in a small enough area where they cannot get away from their waste. I can provide some good crate training links if you'd like. 3: Leash him while 'loose' in the house - This will allow you to monitor him closely and correct him quickly if he starts peeing/marking while inside, as well as helping you get him OUTSIDE after the fact as quickly as possible. Hope this helps...

Thanks all! They are such a joy... Luna is growing SO fast - It seems like just yesterday when she was tumbling around the house with that wonderful puppy breath... *Sigh* You can't have her, Pheasant... She's [i]my[/i] little Looney Toon! :eviltongue: :lol: 'Guest' - Why don'tcha PM me that, oh cowardly one? I have no idea what you said, but if your going to post something innapropriate, at least have the 'stuff' to do it under your name, wuss... :wink:

[quote name='primorse...']Just a little not to apologize to those of you who have asked legitimate (or even not so legitimate--I try to be polite even to hostility) questions of me in the past twenty four hours. I have posted answers. (For example, detailing some of my experience with dogs). For some reason the administration of this board not only doesn't trust you enough to read my answers, it apparently doesn't even trust you enough to tell you that it is, um, protecting you from me. So they keep censoring my answers off this board. All I can think is that the administration of this board agrees with Odnarb, who noted that otherwise intelligent pit bull people say idiotic things when they are responding to me, and they want to save you from yourselves. But you would think that they would at least TELL you that they are protecting you from me, so you don't waste your valuable time trying to goad me into responding. As to the recent accusation that my posts about pit bulls have a "gloom and doom tone" to them, I plead guilty. If you guys can't even respond reasonably and with civility to me on this board, (and apparently the administration is convinced that you can't), pit bulls are even more surely doomed than I thought. I'm going on a little mini-vacation now. Have fun! primrose[/quote] [img]http://www.blizzardbeast.com/stuff/sitinthecorner.jpg[/img]

Thanks guys! I love my little pittie family... DL: Thanks! Deucer IS the most clownish fellow I've ever met - He is SO mellow, sweet and lovie. When he does manage to get excited, he is the cutest thing in the world. Zoomies galore with his mouth ALWAYS gaping open in a huge grin. He has a very Zen, silent, 'reflecting inwards' type personality - But if you get him near a body of water, he will bark his fool head off until you toss something in for him to fetch. I was questioning whether or not he was mute until the day he discovered swimming! :lol: Deegan is a 70lbs lap dog / puppy / big dumb dude. He is always full of energy, ready to play and shower you with affection (Read: Slobber on you and cover you with muddy paw prints). He's a world class doof-ass. I love him to death - He'll do anything if he thinks it'll please you - IF he feels like pleasing you! :lol: Bella Luna is my sweet little girl baby. She is 6 months old now, a tiny little pocket pit who just steals my heart more and more everyday. She is quiet and incredibly smart - And oh so full of puppy fun. Deucer is her best friend, and they are so incredibly cute together when they play and love on each other. I love how they are all the same breed, but each so unique and wonderful. They are such a joy, and I am truly blessed to be owned by them...

Got a few new pictures taken of my babies over the weekend - We went on a hike last Saturday at Wallace Falls in WA with a group of pittie friends, all my babies had a blast. Deegan mesmerized by the stuffy... [img]http://www.pitbullforum.com/images/lilo/deegan_800.jpg[/img] My sweet Deucer-Roo resting in the grass during the BBQ... [img]http://www.pitbullforum.com/images/hike/images/16.jpg[/img] Deuce and Luna taking a break during the hike... [img]http://www.pitbullforum.com/images/hike/images/17.jpg[/img] Sweet Little Looney Tunes... [img]http://www.pitbullforum.com/images/hike/images/8.jpg[/img] Deucer, Looney and I coming up the trail... [img]http://www.pitbullforum.com/images/hike/images/9.jpg[/img] All three of my kids posing in the yard - It only took 10 minutes and minimal swearing on my part to get them this way... :lol: [img]http://www.pitbullforum.com/images/lilo/deuce_luna_deegan_800.jpg[/img] Please excuse Deegan's red rocket - He gets 'excited' when we have company over :oops: Hope ya'll enjoyed! :D (Geez - That's a lotta info I just posted! Pics of ALL THREE of my dogs - AT my house, their breed, my location AND my real name... I hope no one starts STALKING ME!! :roll: - Sorry, I couldn't resist)