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Actually, why don't I give up and just go mad now? :D Though I kind of like the idea of having personal elves, like a personal assistant only more helpful *miaow* :wink:

:o I am on someone else's computer at a different house and I still can't see them.... hmmmmm

:o K, I would have said water, I'm sure I've read that in a few books :oops: is that wrong, or just wrong when the dog is already "subdued"? (the site below also suggests water) Taken from: [url]http://www.ccc.govt.nz/animals/DogFights.asp[/url] TECHNIQUES SEPARATING TWO DOGS If there are two people available, both dogs should have their hindquarters lifted off the ground and then be dragged backwards by the tail. This will confuse the dogs and may cause them to relax their grip on each other. If the hindquarters are not lifted first, the dog may anchor itself by its front feet. Further injuries can then be caused to the other dog. In dogs without tails, the hind legs should not be substituted for the tail, as the dog can easily turn around and bite the person holding it. Grabbing the head or shoulders of one or both dogs is dangerous unless the person doing so can get directly behind the dog's shoulders and have the strength to control its head. Is that a helicopter manouevre? Me confused. :-? This site suggests numerous ways to break up a fight, whether off-lead or on-lead. Of course it also says that knowing the signs of dog aggression that can lead to a fight is the best alternative of all! :wink:

d-a-m-n (if this gets censored, the one with the "m" as a 3rd letter) :-? and yes, I still can't see anyone's avatars!!!

Thats a good question K, I was going to mention it in my post but forgot. I like to believe my own dog would never bite me (guess we all do), and so far he's never misdirected any aggression, but I just don't know for sure... and I don't really want to find out, like Hobbit! :roll: With an entire dog I'd be a little more worried just because they can be more aggressive in my limited experience with them. Would that be true?

Oh it is those damn elves again... :D

Yes, it was a male named Tom (the dog, not the owner ;)) BK has been in similar situations before but nothing so aggressive as that, and usually if the dog gives a warning growl he'll back off, and there are a few dogs that don't get along with him, in that respect they're just like humans! This dog just went for him straight out. I've seen BK several times with a male neutered Pointer and they have slugged it out for top dog, but once that's been established (the Pointer always wins!) they frolick about like best friends... so whether the same thing would have happened here given time I don't know. I'd like to think so, but if the owner had to reach in and grab his dog then that also suggests that he didn't really trust him maybe because he'd done it before? (brave yes, but a good way to get your arm or face turned into mincemeat :o ) The dog was also an adult, as in fully grown. Whether he was neutered or not I don't know, if he was entire it may have made a difference in his aggression...

Maybe it is my computer playing up, all your avatars are now little red Xs... !

Yesterday at the dog park there was a very handsome Golden Retriever I'd never seen before, on a lead with his owner, in the off-lead bit. He was let off the lead and allowed to socialise with the other dogs that were there at the time. BK went up to him and they greeted each other, but the instant that he tried to mount him (standard BK greeting, which I am in the process of correcting!) this dog went absolutely *beserk*, far beyond the realm of a normal "bugger off I'm not interested" rebuttal. The Golden was all teeth, growling and lunging at BK's throat, and this stirred BK up too, and he started trying to defend himself, and the owner intervened and picked his dog up (!!). I grabbed BK by his scruff, held him and made him sit. I apologised to the owner (even though I was sure it was not all my dog's fault), he accepted my apology, put the dog back on his lead and left. I let BK go after the dog had disappeared out of sight and he was fine after that with all the other dogs. As I said I'm trying my best to cure BK of his dominance mounting, but that's the first dog who's reacted so badly. There are plenty of other Goldens there that are beautifully behaved and certainly don't react like that to any dog mounting them. Was the Golden overly aggressive? what do you guys think? I feel sorry for the Golden- if it does that every time it's off the lead then how is it ever going to learn to socialise properly? The owner also said to his dog, "no, you don't like it when other dogs do that do you!" which suggests that the incident wasn't a one-off... :-?

:evil: Even my avatar has disappeared now....

I agree, but it is usually my dog who goes up to the dog on the lead at the off lead park :oops: (he is leashed everywhere else). The recall works ok, but sometimes he just won't listen and I have to grab him. :-? I don't want him to start any fights; even though his intentions are playful, the other dog won't always understand etc. He is fine with other dogs coming up to him when he is on the lead. He will herd smaller dogs at the park, and "dive-bombs" them, a fast version of play-nipping :D If only he would find a stick he liked as much as his doggie mates!

:x That is so horrible. I hope everything turns out for you and your dogs... Good luck with the move!! (Bk sends a big slaggy kiss and a huge spray of projectile poo aimed at your neighbours!)

Bella, bella! :D

or Bring Your Own Bluey... :lol: *high-pitched whining and play barking at the kitchen window, non-stop until the leash is produced* This happens about 4.30pm every day. :D

They kind of look like a Hungarian Puli, without the dreadlock-type coat, and are much smaller, 8.5-11.5 inches high. They are the national dog of Cuba. Queen Victoria owned two and Charles Dickens had one, beloved of his seven children and named Tim. So they were quite fashionable back in Victorian times. [url]www.havanese.org/[/url] Interesting breed!

Bring Your Own Beer? Bolivian Yodelling Opera Brothers? :o 8)

Yeah, I wasn't sure about the knee up one, that might only work for smaller dogs... not dog-people :lol: it is bad enough with a 25kg dog doing it!

I told you, IT'S THE ELVES *waves to CIA, ASIO or whoever is monitoring this conversation* :wink:

oops I didn't mean guest I meant GT... :oops: :oops:

Yay yay I can tell you (thanks to K) you need 100 posts to get 3 paws!!! I can't help you with the jumping thing either, BK doesn't reach me like that, he springs up and is usually level with my face, he likes to say hi like that LOL. Maybe putting your knee up every time she jumps up (if you can) will help? The theory is that if the dog jumps, and there's a hard uncomfortable surface there which gives them a bit of a shock (hey! that's not soft!), they won't do it anymore...? Maybe Ruby is too big though? Tomson used to wee with excitement upon seeing other people, he is now 10 months and has grown out of it. Guest your puppy is only 3 mths, so as long as you can get the housetraining under control the rest will surely follow... good luck and have fun! :wink:

Ack, stupid computers! They're not right ALL the time ;) BK is almost ready to move up to Class 2 obedience, which is good news. We just need to work a little more on the sit-stay, of course he does it perfectly at home and at the park but not in class where he will be tested on it!

That's really weird... I can see them... I'll try logging out and see if I can still see them then (you probably can't see this post at all!!!)

:lol: the Dracula dog!! That was really good advice Hobbit, and you are SO right when you say that heelers don't take any crap- and will answer back if they think they can get away with it! :)

Hi Granites, welcome to the (very VERY addictive) board! Your Mastiffs are beautiful!! :D

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: I signed too, violence against animals is just as valid and important an issue as any other type of violence, albeit a hugely ignored one. Which is not the way it should be!