__crazy_canine__ Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 Anyone ever hear of this? Apparently APBTs are matched only with muzzles on. :-? While I respect that people are trying to find a way to keep the fighting sport and preserve gameness in a safer way, it doesnt preserve gameness and whats a dog without its teeth? :roll: I dont get what anyone gets out of it?! :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowie-the-Pooh Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 I'm not Pit expert, so maybe I have no right to talk, but isn't there something working "against" the dog? Esp. with a muzzle on, wouldn't it be harder for the dog to wrestle allowing you to test for gameness? I hear they do this with dogs in Japan, too. Does anyone have the link? I'd really like to see a Dogmen's POV on this, too. :) Sounds interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObedienceGrrl Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 [quote name='__crazy_canine__'] it doesnt preserve gameness and whats a dog without its teeth? :roll: [/quote] When I would assist with K9 training, we'd muzzle the dogs on several occasions when they were doing take downs. This shows the dog he/she has to learn to not depend on JUST teeth. They need to use the force of their body and their paws/legs to assist them. And a 70 pound Malinois hitting you in the kidneys is going to drop you like a brick!!! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__crazy_canine__ Posted September 9, 2005 Author Share Posted September 9, 2005 See, I get that dogs should learn to use their bodyforce in addition to their teeth but heres my problem with this... [quote]Esp. with a muzzle on, wouldn't it be harder for the dog to wrestle allowing you to test for gameness? [/quote] In a roll, without using their teeth it would take A LOT longer for the dog to lose its energy enough to test gameness. I mean a pit's main tool is its jaws. Its like us trying to wrestle with our arms tied behind our backs. Can you imagine how long that would take to claim a winner? Also, their life isnt in danger which is an element in proving gameness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObedienceGrrl Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 [quote name='__crazy_canine__']. Its like us trying to wrestle with our arms tied behind our backs. Can you imagine how long that would take to claim a winner?.[/quote] Unless I was wrestling a guy and I just kicked him in the balls..... Then I'd win! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__crazy_canine__ Posted September 9, 2005 Author Share Posted September 9, 2005 :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 [quote name='ObedienceGrrl'][quote name='__crazy_canine__']. Its like us trying to wrestle with our arms tied behind our backs. Can you imagine how long that would take to claim a winner?.[/quote] Unless I was wrestling a guy and I just kicked him in the balls..... Then I'd win! :D[/quote] :lol: The dogs the japanese have are Tosas. HUGE dogs. They arent bred to be game in any way. They sure are pretty though. Dogs know when they cant get to another dog. Its like my dogs. they can see each other but know they cant get to one another so they dont sit there and go crazy all day. Also, wrestling ability would be out the door if the dogs couldnt get a hold. there would just be a standoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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