Guest Anonymous Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 I have posted a guide to help a potential dog owner make a good decision. Too often folks don't think thru what that little pup will grow up to be like, and find they have become 'inconvenient' and then give them up. 8-10 million dogs and puppies are euthanized each year, and would you believe the biggest reason is 'lifestyle change?!!' I hope it is of use and maybe you might pass it along to someone looking for a puppy or dog, and if I've missed anything please feel free to let me know! [email][email protected][/email] [url]http://www.dogsindepth.com/how_pick_dog.html[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon_C Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Bitch Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 :o Jill, Jill, Jill, I see your breed descriptions are STILL grossly inaccurate. You have not changed any of the blatent falsehoods that we brought to your attention the last time you were here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon_C Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 [quote name='hillside']:o Jill, Jill, Jill, I see your breed descriptions are STILL grossly inaccurate. You have not changed any of the blatent falsehoods that we brought to your attention the last time you were here.[/quote] [color=darkred]I did notice with the Bullmastiff [/color]:roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtnek Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 well, since ai own both, here is my take on the Lab and Foxhound.... MOST Labs fit into those categories, but not all. "CAN BE" is a definitive with Labs, because they have been touted for way too long as the "perfect family dog"....also "requires training" should be listed, because they do. they are wild if not trained properly, they are not trustworthy off leash if not trained properly, and they can become aggressive if not trained. "Shy" is not a general trait, unless something bad has happened to this dog. "affable" is more accurate. but they need serious obedience training, even if they never hunt a day in their lives. Foxhounds - I noticed you did not put anything for how they are with children...hounds in general are "usually" good with kids (depending on training, like all dogs) they are mellow creatures at heart, most dont have an aggressive bone in their body unless they have been treated badly or are mixed with a guardian type dog. also, it is wrong to suggest that they will only be good out in the country. I live in a cit environement. I have a retired hound, an 80 x 60 back yard, and another dog fro her to romp with. thats all it takes. for special treats we go run along the river in the woods. there are fox back there. she trails them and bays her fool head off. she's never caught one, that requires a pack, and Free is not interested. so some changes are definitely needed to this document Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObedienceGrrl Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Take "family" out for Lhasas! They are not good with children. Even the national breed rescue REFUSES to place any lhasa with someone who has a child under 12 visiting or even just a neighbor. And the hairless Chinese Crested is not good for people with dog allergies. Most people are allergic to dog saliva along with dander. That is a reason why we get so many CCs in our rescue. People think they are hypo-allergenic. They are not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pomeranians Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 I agree. There definetly needs to be a "Can be" there. I jumped right to Pomeranians, as they are my favorite breed, and I'm not all too happy with the info. :-? [quote] barks alot, sheds, will challenge larger dogs[/quote] Will challenge larger dogs? That is a definet can, because my pom, nor the many others I have met do. I also don't like the "barks alot". Then it sounds as if they are your regular yapper, which is just not the case. Some bark more than others, just like many breeds, and some are easier to train not to do it than others. Its not like they are set off by a leaf falling... Also, what they were bred for? [quote]bird dogging[/quote] Correct me if I'm wrong, but I am pretty sure that Pomeranians were bred for, and used as sled dogs. (For herding too maybe?). I have never heard of them being used as "bird doggers". So, I too think you need to change things about the site. Oh, and ObedienceGrrl, why are Lhasas not good pets for families with children under 12? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObedienceGrrl Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Lhasas aren't 'nippy' per say....they will just come out and bite if threatened. Remember, they were bred to be guard dogs. If whoever decided to enter the temple in Tibet and was able to make it past the Tibetan Mastiffs, he'd then have to get by the Lhasas. Ask any groomer, they usually hate to do Lhasas. Horsefeathers has two. She understands! We started grooming our lhasa at about 10 weeks to get her used to it. Now she falls alseep on the grooming table. Our groomer just loves her and says she is the best lhasa she has ever done. Shasta gets groomed every 6 weeks so she needs to be good. She's 8 years old now. But she has such a dislike towards children. Doesn't even want them in the same room as her. They are very different dogs. They are NOT a lap dog. They really aren't a cuddler. They might lay next to you, but they aren't going to seek you out to lay in a lap unless they really know you, and even then, they typically just want to be touching you, not all over you. Very independant dogs. Very regal in their attitude. Must have come down through the original generations who revered by Dali Lamas in Tibet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin the musher Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Pomeranians were bred to be lap dogs. Their [i]ancestors[/i] were sled dogs. Yeah, the bird dog thing threw me for a loop too. :tard: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouseatthebusstop Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 [quote]brush regularly, firm consistent training, protect from heat, exercise, inbred dogs are susceptible to skin ailments, some require surgery for entropion - turned in eyelids, fever and swollen hocks could be early indication of kidney failure, some people allergic to this type of coat[/quote] just had a look at the sharpei.... inbreding does not cause skin trouble many breeders say it's poor diet is the cause of skin trouble- a puppy may require eye tacks to save problems with entropion later myself I would recomend getting a vet who knows and understands the breed- even if it is an hour drive each way- or farther Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Kat Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Since the Border collie is my specialist breed heres my take: [quote]colors: red, brown, black, black/white, blue merle, tri-color [/quote] You didn't mention the other colours that Border collies are available in, chocolate, chocolate merle, blue, blue and white, red merle, blue and black, tri merle, sable, saddle-back, lilac, lilac merle/tri tan, brindle. You also will never get a completely black coloured collie. [quote]faults: extremely shy, vicious[/quote] This is bull sh*t to the highest degree. These faults are not applicable to the Border collie breed unless their upringing has been wrong. You will find that most Border collies are very friendly and outgoing. No health problems mentioned? Border collies are the most common breed to suffer from epilepsy as well as retinalatrophy and collie eye anomaly (CEA) which is a choroid condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pomeranians Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 [quote name='Pumpkin the musher']Pomeranians were bred to be lap dogs. Their [i]ancestors[/i] were sled dogs. Yeah, the bird dog thing threw me for a loop too. :tard:[/quote] Yeah, I know they are bred as lapdogs, I just wanted to correct the bird dog thing, because that is NOT correct. You didn't think I meant they were bred as sled dogs today did you? Think of that picture... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpeigirl Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Here's GSD's [quote]very intelligent, loyal, faithful, versatile, calm, fearless, courageous, self-confident, reliable, obedient, protective, responsive, alert, aloof and does not warm up fast to strangers. faults: timid, anxious, nervous, shy, bites requires thorough discipline and training, daily exercise, daily brushing, indiscriminate breeding makes for susceptibility to arthritis, hip dysplasia, eye disease, gastric ailments, over guards, nervousness, aggression, viciousness, timidity, fearfulness [/quote] Intelligent, fearless, & calm yet Timid anxious, nervous & shy. And Bites?? Zeus wouldn't bite a fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 thank you all for your help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mutts4Me Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 [quote name='K'] [b]Bulldog[/b](not been given correct full name of British Bulldog ..why?) [/quote] Just wanted to say that it's not called a British Bulldog over here. If anything, we call them English Bulldogs, but the AKC name is simply "Bulldog." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincoandDahlilasgirl Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 [quote name='ObedienceGrrl']Take "family" out for Lhasas! They are not good with children. Even the national breed rescue REFUSES to place any lhasa with someone who has a child under 12 visiting or even just a neighbor. [/quote] off topic here but doesn't that depend on training and the individual dog? Theres a few in my neighborhood 1 or 2 live with kids no older than 6 and from what I seen when the're outside in the yard they get along great. I'm not attacking I'm just asking thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincoandDahlilasgirl Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 I have a springer cross. [quote]docked tail[/quote] Um people have told me that thats only if u want it docked. [quote]game flushing and retrieving, companion, gundog[/quote] Um this may fall in that catagory but weren't they feild dogs? :-? [quote]love attention, active, gregarious, friendly, eager-to-please, endurance, reserved with strangers, stamina. faults: aggressive, timid[/quote] when u say aggresive do u mean they know when an unwelcomed visitor or do u mean dog aggresive? Mine only get along with certain males(he's a male also) JRT's [quote]no, tendency to nip, quick movements can trip small children[/quote] Technicly any dog can trip a child... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Offtopic, but why in the world do people want hybrid wolfdogs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mutts4Me Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 [quote name='Ash']Offtopic, but why in the world do people want hybrid wolfdogs?[/quote] that is a whole other topic, and I'm sure if you did a search, you could find plenty. If Seij is around, she can I'm sure give you plenty of reasons why she eventually intends to purchase a high-content wolfdog from a breeder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 I see, looking forward to hearing that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Thank you all for your valuable insights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendalyn Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 [quote name='jilld']I've been an EMT for 10 yrs and if I stopped to listen to what the families wanted me to do while their loved ones were there dying how many would I have saved?! [/quote] Well right now is not an emergency situation and you have time to listen to our comments especially since you asked for them. :roll: [quote name='jilld']Are you all adverse to the info because it is not based on what money hungry breeders would say? Most of the info is from books, veterinarians, handlers and rescue folks, not people who make money selling dogs![/quote] Maybe you should hang around here a little longer before making accusations like this. Also, I did not see any credit given to the books you have used on your site. You must give credit to your sources. The problem that I have with this site (and other sites like yours) Jill is that it attempts to pigeon hole breeds into specific character traits and flaws. While there are some very general characteristics that most dogs of one breed share, each dog is so different that you can't just list all these traits without some qualifiers as to how the dog was raised. It is not helpful to list that a German Shepherd is intelligent and obedient and than to say that they bite. Well, any dog can bite but the way you have it listed it sounds like every German Shepherd bites. Obviously this is not the case. I did read your dog selection guide and it seemed fine. It's just the breed descriptions that need to be overhauled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin the musher Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Pomeranians: I knew that you knew that... :wink: As far as being used for sled dogs today, a picture is worth a thousand words... [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UgCpAm0ZUitd1ntklrxR4WnfmfD*ubmH1mho6mZZu01reU22Spm6FcBGuvUmH4MF*pAETnQtHjYREAs5yZiZMNAhtsgzaxbGLaziznE50jkuZbn35d8qEG25blTTINa6/pommie1.JPG?dc=4675513535135074934[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Debbie Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 :-? This is the same person that came here the last time asking for pictures. I went to her site and tried to set her straight on breed misconceptions and she didn't change a thing. Avoid that site. :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mutts4Me Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 [quote name='K'][quote name='Mutts4Me'][quote name='K'] [b]Bulldog[/b](not been given correct full name of British Bulldog ..why?) [/quote] Just wanted to say that it's not called a British Bulldog over here. If anything, we call them English Bulldogs, but the AKC name is simply "Bulldog."[/quote] Love ya and dont want to be picky BUT the correct full name is British Bulldog they were originbally bred in Britain and deserve the full name...an English Bulldog is the one like Kiwi has....I really do believe the names should remain the same worldwide...[/quote] *shrugs* I'm just telling you why it isn't called a British Bulldog on that site, which I believe is American. We call them Bulldogs here, or English Bulldogs. We call what Kiwi has Bull Terriers, not Bulldogs. I think names should be the same world-wide as well, but they're often not. I believe in Britain what we call the Great Pyrenese is called the Pyrenean Mountain Dog, and I wouldn't expect anyone here (US) to call them Pyrenean Mountain Dogs anymore than I would expect them to call a(n English) Bulldog a British Bulldog, or a Bull Terrier an English Bulldog :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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