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Smooshie

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Hey everyone, a friend of mine is developing an online breed database and is currently looking for dog breed pics to use in the galleries. I just KNOW everyone on here likes to show off their babies, so if anyone would like to contribute a pic or two it would be much appreciated. If you're interested email the pics to me at [email][email protected][/email] , and include the breed name.

Thanks in advance :D

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I'm assuming purebred then? how big of a database is it going to be? I would like to see a mixed breed database. wouldnt that be cool?

I'll email you Laurel's picture, she's a purebred american foxhound, but the differentiation is that she is field trialed, not show. the show dogs look (and act) much different. will that help?

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You know thats a good question. He really didn't specify a preference to me about whether he wanted working or conformation lines...personally I too would like to see him put both on there so people can see that there is a distinction. I'll have to run that by him. :D

Court ...if you could send a pic of Laurel that would be great!

I agree...a mixed breed database would be cool, but how would you go about categorizing it??? A large percentage of mixed breed owners have no clue about the parentage of their dogs....although some (like the designer mixes) can be quite easy to figure out , but what about the true mongrels that are a mix of several breeds?

thx guys for the input! :D

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[quote]I agree...a mixed breed database would be cool, but how would you go about categorizing it??? A large percentage of mixed breed owners have no clue about the parentage of their dogs....although some (like the designer mixes) can be quite easy to figure out , but what about the true mongrels that are a mix of several breeds[/quote]
From what I read here on dogo purebreds are fairly new and come from mixed breeds which come from mixed types/races or mongrels. So each race would be catagorized by norhtern breeds, herding, retrievers, hunting dogs, pointers, spitz type breeds, bull breeds, mastiff type breeds, toy/companion type dogs, terriers and so on. Some of these types of dogs have specific behaviors known only to their specific type.
So basically mongrels or races of dogs are true breeds where purebred dogs are just mixes of those purebred mongrels. Each catagory would be a type of mongrel dog.
The only thing that makes a purebred different or look more true to their breed is they are so inbred that they all have the same conformation etc.

do you understand what Im trying to say cause Im just trying to disifer what I have learned reading posts by Cassie. :wink: :D
It totally makes sense when you really think about it.
first came
Mongrels/races
then came mixed races
then came purebreds
then you can have mixed breeds from purebreds
or crossbreeds which is just two purebreds
then you can still have the orginal mongrels left which man has not touched.
So it would be easy to catagorize mixed breeds or mongrels to type or group based on behavior and some simular looks. :wink: Mongrels were here long before purebreds were even a thought in some person's head :lol:
Also mongrels from certain areas kinda assumed basically the same size, shape and behavioral patterns. Thats how we got so many different purebreds we had a large stock of mongrels to choose from to develop our purebreds.

I just have to ask, do people really think that any dog that isnt a purebred is a mixture of purebreds? :o

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pyrless, I guess what Im trying to say is that if they wanted to post pictures of mongrels (which are the forefathers of purebreds) or mixed breeds or crosses what you could do is to have subcatagories like.

Northern dogs
spitz breeds
livestock guardian breeds
herding breeds
sled type dogs
mastiff type breeds
retrievers
draft dogs
Guarding type dogs

For example I have Husky mixes, I would put them under the catagory of Northern breed. :wink:
A freind of mine has a shepherdy looking looking dog she could put that under guarding type dog. etc etc.
Meant to add that this is what they would have done before Purebred dogs were created :wink:

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I always thought of Huskies as being Spitz like.

I will send some pictures ASAP. I have so many I better start looking at which ones I'd like to send lol

[quote]you know it would be nice if for once they had a breed database for both the conformation and performance types of every breed instead of just show[/quote]
Oh yeah I think that'd be a great idea too! In most breeds their is a varience between the show version and the working version. In my breed (APBT) the two are one in the same, which is kind of cool. The standard is based on woking dogs, and the show dog should basically look like a working dog (whether it is actually a working dog or not).

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good job Matty, except you'd need to add Terriers (basically vermin hunters and for the larger ones, larger game hunters) and Hounds
(trackers, "hounders", their main purpose was to exhaust the game
by running it down, then trapping it for a hunter)

I think a mixed breed database could fall under these categories. it would be kinda cool to see

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[quote name='__crazy_canine__']Ok I cant help myself I just have to say that....

The show APBT can look more like an AmStaff, especially if it doesnt work at all. The two lines DO look different... I dont get how you can say they dont. They CAN look the same but they dont always.[/quote]

I agree... while the can look the same, I dont think they ussually do. Especially when you look at some older pics of pitties....the game bred dogs look nothing like a show bred APBT or Amstaff. JMO.

Smooshie...did you get the pics I sent you?

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one thingI have found interesting with mixed breeds is Free. Abnormal to the nth degree, being as she looks more like a Lab than anything else. I have determined (unofficially) that she is part Lab and part GSP. She has the retrieving skills of a Lab, the pointing skills of a pointer, the coat and
cut of both. but thats where it ends. labs and pointers are not "guard dog" breeds. Free is a guard dog. to extremes. she doesnt like strangers, children or anyone else she doesnt know. she is suspicious of people until I have said "its ok" and even after I say that, she has her own opinions. whatever sense dogs have that know "bad" people even when we dont are very inherent in her. She has shown time and time again that my sons trust in some people was misplaced. I asked someone once, adn they looked at her tail, and her stance, and her growl and teeth and determined possibly GSD. her behavior is more GSD than anything else, but her looks are hunting dog. strange combo, huh?

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[quote]Ok I cant help myself I just have to say that....

The show APBT can look more like an AmStaff, especially if it doesnt work at all. The two lines DO look different... I dont get how you can say they dont. They CAN look the same but they dont always.[/quote]

They usually are a good rep of the working type, not ALL are going to look the same and they CAN look different, but NONE of my dogs resemble AmStaffs in anyway and I take it as an insult (sorry any AST lovers/owners) for you to say they do. Yes some people have tried to compete with AST looking pitties and thank god they don't go. I can say some of my dogs don't work at all, no hunting, weight pulling, ect but they don't look like an AST just because they don't work. Its about the breeding and keeping to the standard. I compete frequently in the show ring, I don't usually come across any AST looking dogs, every once in awhile their are worthy dogs who happen to have AST in them (like Villines), but they look and pretty much act like APBTs.

[img]http://members.fortunecity.com/tbulldogs/0935bde0.jpg[/img]
[img]http://members.fortunecity.com/tbulldogs/0b529d70.jpg[/img]
[img]http://members.fortunecity.com/tbulldogs/088d93b0.jpg[/img]
[img]http://members.fortunecity.com/tbulldogs/08f74160.jpg[/img]
This doesn't look anything like this.
[img]http://www.american-staffordshire-terrier-dogs.com/pictures-images-photos/american-staffordshire-terriers-03.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.dogs-and-puppies.com/American_Staffordshire_Terriers.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/dogbreeds/photos/americanstaffordshireterriers.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.gotdogsonline.com/american-staffordshire-terrier-pictures-breeders-puppies-rescue/pictures/american-staffordshire-terrier-0007.jpg[/img]

Glad my show dog doesn't look nothing like this
[img]http://actiinfochiens.free.fr/PHOTO%2520AMERICAN%2520STAFFORDSHIRE%2520TERRIER.JPG[/img]
Not that the dog isn't very beautiful, just no comparison really.
[img]http://a8.cpimg.com/image/8A/D2/38773898-c6b8-01C6018D-.jpg[/img]

[quote]Especially when you look at some older pics of pitties....the game bred dogs look nothing like a show bred APBT or Amstaff. JMO. [/quote]
Well I did compare a picture of my dog (Santana) to an old picture of a dog I think was Colby breeding on this board once and their look/build was almost identical. The gamebred dogs are what the standard is based off of and my dog Val's grandsire is a show GR CH I and a pit CH gamebred, game and game producer. Her Dad was never matched (but proven) and he is also a good placer in the show ring. The other owner just waited to long to match him and really show him, although he could still be CH out pretty quickly guess its just not that important.

I do have some old photos and some of my dog.
[img]http://a5.cpimg.com/image/93/80/44310675-5b95-01930200-.jpg[/img]
[img]http://a8.cpimg.com/image/D2/82/44310738-ad7f-01730171-.jpg[/img]

[img]http://a1.cpimg.com/image/D5/82/44310741-79bf-01240113-.jpg[/img]
[img]http://a6.cpimg.com/image/A8/81/44310696-659b-02000173-.jpg[/img]

Well thats just my take on it and another reason why I love my breed, no water down varience show version hog wash. Just the portrait of a true bulldog a working titled dog can get a show title and thats how it should be. I don't understand why breeds have show standards that the working dog wouldn't be able to win and a show dog that couldn't function as a working dog.

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