Toy Poodles

[Beautiful Border Collie]

Anybody else here have a toy poodle? I have a few questions, i want to see if your little one does the same things as mine does.
Like...........
mine.......
coughs after he drinks, so did my other poodle
snorts when he gets excited or just snorts for the fun of it? :-?
also, do you use anything for the tear drainage? I have a white
poodle so it gets messy.

[MajiesMom]

I don't have a Toy Poddle but I love them!
They say a natural raw diet will get ride of tear staining, you could also wash under the eye with a damp cloth many times each day. They have tear stain products like Diamond Eye but I don't think they really work.
Can you post pics of your Toy Poodle! Please! :)

[Beautiful Border Collie]

ok ok i will post some pics of my little guy. :D He always looks different depending on if he needs a hair cut or not. My boyfriend HATES it when i get his hair cut, but if i dont it gets all matted.


hold on, my pic hosting site isnt working, just great! I had tons of pics there too. :evil:

Guess i will have to find another place.

[MajiesMom]

I can't wait to see pics of your little man.
pwrpufgirlz feel free to post pics too!!! :wink: I would love to see them! Your signature picture makes my heart melt it's so cute!
I have a picture of a Toy Poodle, I groomed him yestuerday (this is my second week at Grooming School).
I talked to my grooming instructor today about tear stains, she said the only way to fix it is diet change i.e. a raw food diet and she said that the products on the market for tear stains only mask the problem, they don't fix it. :)
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[Horsefeathers!]

Oooooooohhhhh, another Poodle fan. I guess with all the evacuation preparation, I missed this post. :oops:

I'm just going to copy/paste here what I posted on another thread.
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The staining can be caused by several things and "treatment" can be as simple as changing food and/or water, or it could be something that needs to be treated surgically. Sometimes they have blocked ducts.

Just switching from tap water to bottled distilled water has been enough to eliminate the staining for my Toy who had HORRIBLE stains. Also, it does seem to be worse with one food than another (more staining on Wellness than Canidae, for example).

Daily applications of Vaseline can help. Just apply a very thin smear of it right from the corner of the eye. It doesn't prevent tearing or anything like that, but kind of wicks the moisture away and keeps it from settling on the coat (which DOES cause staining). The face still needs to be washed daily and a fresh smear of Vaseline... it doesn't have to be globbered on.

There are eye wipes and lotions for staining that some people swear by, but I've never had any luck with them.
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I, too, would love to see Poodle photos. I have a cream colored Toy and two white Standards. My Toy (Peanut) used to have horrible stains, but since switching her to bottled distilled water, I never have to even wipe her eyes or her face except for when she gets a bath (anywhere from two weeks to a month). Even if her grooming is neglected and she gets wooly :oops: , her face stays clear.


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Please post some of your photos as soon as you get your hosting problems sorted. I use MSN groups and it's usually pretty reliable.

[Horsefeathers!]

Oh, about the coughing thing... not that I'd ever dismiss something as nothing, but my little Poodlet does it, too. She's five years old and is recently beginning to show some tracheal(?) sensitivities. She gets kind of coughy and gaggy, too, when she drinks and sometimes if she's excited. It seems to pretty fairly common in smaller dogs, I reckon.

[Beautiful Border Collie]

I got the site working now YAY! One more thing about my little dude. I taught him how to sneeze. Now, whenever he wants something, he sneezes! He is like my other poodle i used to own, in the way that, he only eats at night, around 10 pm., and he tries to bury his food.

Thanks for the great advice. Will give it a try. I call the stains "goo goo".
I say- dont get your goo goo all over my bed! :D

heres some pics.


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[Beautiful Border Collie]

LOL some of these pics are actual size!!!! :lol: :lol:

BTW luv your pics! Cuties :D

[Horsefeathers!]

Majies, we must have posted at the same time last night
because I didn't see your photo. That dog is beautiful.
You should be so proud! You are doing great, girl! :bigok:
[quote]I talked to my grooming instructor today about
tear stains, she said the only way to fix it is diet change
i.e. a raw food diet [/quote]
Now, see, I'm kind of uncomfortable with advice like this.
It's not that I think it would or wouldn't work. It's just that
things like "the ONLY way" as in all or nothing make me
uncomfortable. It may well be what works, but it really
depends on what's causing the staining and, well, we
just don't know what that is. Could be blocked ducts,
could be a lot of things. From my grooming forum, there
are still raw fed dogs who get the tear staining, so it
really depends on the dog. I'm certainly not trying
to discredit your instructor. From your training, it looks
like she knows her stuff and I love a school/instructor
that also focuses on nutrition and health rather than
JUST waving clippers and scissors around, but I'm
just leary of "all or nothing" advice. :oops:

BBB, your little fellow is gorgeous! I love that he's
so active and busy! My little Poodlet swims and gets
out like that, too. Some people don't realize that they
are more than just ornaments, but DOGS as well and
like to do normal dog things. He's awesome! I just
LOVE to see a Poodle in the water. :bigcool:

Gigi, now that you mention it, our dogs sneeze
and snort first thing in the morning. I never
really thought about it before. Now that I think
about it, we must sound like the geriatric ward
of a hospital with all the sneezing and snorting
and wheezing and sputtering we all do in the
morning. :oops:

[MajiesMom]

sorry I added "the only way" part because when I asked all she said was diet change. She has seen dogs with horrible tear staining go to no staining at all this way. I'm sure it works some times.
I mentioned about the vasoline because we get Westies at work that get that done twice/day but she thought it wasn't a great way because the tears just run off the vasoline and stain around it.
You could always shave off the stained parts like I did to the toy in the pic above, the staining was pretty much gone after.
It seems to me that the only thing that would actually could get rid of it (not mask it) is diet (for some dogs) unless it is a blocked tear duct, then what do they do, is it fixable?
I should know about this if I'm going to be a groomer and owners ask me about the staining. Ahh so much to learn. :)

[Horsefeathers!]

[quote name='MajiesMom']I mentioned about the vasoline
because we get Westies at work that get that done
twice/day but she thought it wasn't a great way because
the tears just run off the vasoline and stain around it.
You could always shave off the stained parts like I did
to the toy in the pic above, the staining was pretty
much gone after.
It seems to me that the only thing that would actually
could get rid of it (not mask it) is diet (for some dogs)
unless it is a blocked tear duct, then what do they do,
is it fixable?
I should know about this if I'm going to be a groomer
and owners ask me about the staining. Ahh so much
to learn. :)[/quote]

Of course, most things ARE masking staining. Depending
on the problem, that's all some owners are willing to do.
The vaseline trick is just another "mask," but before I
learned that changing the water for mine was enough,
it worked well to prevent the staining. It didn't prevent
the actual tearing, just the staining and I never did
have a problem with the tears running off and staining
around it. I don't know why.

Duct problems can be fixable AFAIK, but most vets I
know of are reluctant to do much since apparently
it's kind of a sensitive surgery for mostly aesthetic
problems (my interpretation of it, anyway), so
sometimes "masking" is about the only thing to
do. I have even chalked stains away. It's just
another mask rather than prevention, but it makes
owners happy. Not many of my clients are going
to do a homecooked/raw diet and sometimes even
getting them to switch to a higher quality commercial
food is tough. Sometimes you can only do what you
can do. It's great to be able to offer alternatives. If
one thing doesn't work, at least you have some other,
if less than perfect, options, especially for those people
who want a quick fix rather than having to commit
to a change in lifestyle. Then again, maybe you're
in an area where people are more receptive to new
ideas. I'm in the southeastern US where it's hard to
pry that $13 bag of Ol' Roy out of people's hands. :-?

I'm all for a healthy diet and push it pretty hard on
clients when the opportunity presents itself. I just
know that sometimes diet change helps, but not
always, especially when clients don't believe they
NEED a change. Again, it just depends on the dog (and client).
Raw feeding isn't an option for mine, but fortunately,
changing the water was enough to eliminate the
staining. :D

[MajiesMom]

Awwwwwww pwrpuf they are sooooo cute!!!! I love that last picture, LOL it just kills me :lol: How do they lay like that?