Rosebud Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 :D O.k everybody I know this may cause a debate here but I found this very informative and it has me reconsidering early spays/neuters. Not trying to start an argument but would really like your educated opinions. [size=2]cross-posted with permission from the original author[/size] [quote]From time to time, the subject of early spay/neuter comes up on this and other Ridgeback related lists. Those of us who have strong opinions on either side of this debate are not going to change each other's mind. HOWEVER, there are many on the lists who are new or have not developed an opinion. For those of you who fall into one of these categories, I offer my comments. Spaying and neutering is an unnatural act - especially when done prior to physical maturity. It is a compromise of the endocrine system. Once changed, there are reactions. The procedure of spay/neuter prior to puberty came about as a result of over-population of dogs and cats. Humane organizations became overwhelmed with an abundance of unwanted animals. To lessen the heartbreak and expense of euthanization and to help reduce crowding in already overcrowded shelters, early spaying and neutering was recommended PRIOR to first season in a female and interest/ability to copulate in a male. The root cause of early spay/neuter was solely attributed to overpopulation. It had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with health reasons - whether it was good/bad for the animal to have this procedure done at an early age. Early spay/neuter procedures are a snap for veterinarians. Snip/stitch - over and done with. Short term benefits are evident, but not so long- term. I AM a supporter of spay/neuter - but not before a dog/bitch has reached physical maturity. (If you wait until they are mentally mature, you may never get the procedure done - that's a small joke, folks.) Personally? I will not spay a bitch prior to three months AFTER completion of the first heat; OR a male prior to 12 months of age - preferably 18 months of age if the male is not exhibiting any signs of sexual aggression or combativeness with other males. If you are afraid that a puppy or young dog that you sell or place into a home will become pregnant or produce a pregnancy, that home is not a good choice. Does the person have a fenced yard, will the person use a crate for confining a bitch in season, are there other animals in the same house that are not spayed/neutered? These are all questions that must be satisfactorily answered before placing ANY dog in ANY home. The first step to reducing overpopulation begins with placement. If your only solution to the problem is spay/neuter in infancy or prior to physical maturity, then you're solely interested in the overpopulation problem and not necessarily in the long-term health of the individual dog. Think about the dogs that create the overpopulation. Are they the dogs sold by reputable breeders or rescue organizations into responsible homes? I think not. Therefore, I do not understand this rush to spay/neuter these dogs at such a young age when there are a myriad of case studies that such procedures have many ill- effects on the long-term health of the animal. In large breed dogs, it is not unusual for a female to have what is referred to as juvenile vulva. The anatomy of many large breed puppies is that the vulva is covered with a flap of skin or the vulva is recessed. Most often, these puppies and young bitches suffer from recurring rounds of vaginitis and urinary tract infections due to droplets of urine remaining in the flap/fold of skin which produces bacteria which backs up into the vaginal/urinary tract causing infection. This fold/recession usually goes away after the first heat cycle. The vulva matures and drops, and the problem of the flap/recession is resolved. Spaying prior to the maturation of the vulva freezes the bitch's anatomy in time, and you could be dealing with vaginal/urinary tract infections for the rest of the bitch's life. Early neutering of males? Let me quote just one case study: G. Ru, B. Terracini, LT. Glickman Vet J 1998 Jul; 156 (1) : 31-0 Host related risk factors for canine osteosarcoma ABSTRACT: A case controlled study using the Veterinary Medical Data Base (VMDB) was conducted to test the hypothesis that increasing height and weight are important risk factors for osteosarcoma in dogs. The role of other host factors was also explored. The cases comprised 3062 purebred dogs with histologically or radiographically confirmed osteosarcoma admitted to 24 veterinary teaching hospitals in the United States and Canada between 1980 and 1994. The controls were 3959 purebred dogs with other diagnoses obtained randomly by frequency matching to case for institution and year of diagnosis. The risk of osteosarcoma rose with increasing age, increasing body weight, increasing standard weight and increasing standard height. Compared with the GSD breed, the highest risk of osteosarcomes was found for large and giant breeds, while small breeds had reduced risks. A TWO-FOLD EXCESS RISK WAS OBSERVED AMONG NEUTERED DOGS (capitalization is mine for emphasis on this statement). Adjustment of risk estimates for standard height adjusted for standard weight, and vice versa, showed a stronger and more consistent association of osteosarcoma with increasing height than increasing weight. Further case studies showing the down side of neutering males when they are too young: Growth plate closure delayed when neutered prior to 7 weeks of age; lesser effect when neutered prior to 7 months of age; no effect when neutered after achieving full height. Penile development less mature when neutered prior to 7 weeks. More likely to develop lower urinary tract neoplasm Significantly elevated risk of diabetes High risk of hypothyroid (low FT3 which responds to TSH) Increased risk of osteosarcoma when neutered prior to 7 months of age. Further case studies show the following adverse effects of early spaying of females (prior to 7 mos. of age) Growth plate closure delayed when bitch is spayed less than 7 week; lesser effect when neutered less than 7 months; no effect when spayed after achieving full height. Vulvar development less mature when neutered prior to 7 months. 7 - 8 times more likely to develop urinary incontinence 2 times more likely to be obese Significantly shorter vagina Distance from cranial pubic bone and internal urethral orifice is shorter More likely to develop lower urinary tract neoplasm Increased risk of cranial cruciate ligament injury High risk of hypothyroid (low FT3 which responds to TSH) Increased risk of cardiac tumors, hemangiosarcoms, thyroid carcinoma Decreased smooth muscle mass and connective tissue. Increased risk of acute fatal pancreatitis Increased osteoblasts in bone There are some positive sides of spay/neuter. Decreased risk of mammary tumors if bitch was thin 9 - 12 months of age prior to spaying. No risk of pyometra infection in spayed bitches. No risk of false pregnancy syndrome in spayed bitches Less likely to develop perianal fistula in spayed bitches. Lowest risk of leukemia in neutered males No risk of testicular cancer. No change in risk to prostatic carcinoma (nontesticular androgen implicated) Any physically mature Ridgeback dog/bitch that will not be used for breeding will benefit from neutering/spaying. Any dog/bitch that has been used for breeding should be neutered/spayed past the age of 7 years as it will greatly reduce the risk of cancers that result after this age. Sperm can be collected from males for future breedings. To breed a bitch past 7 years of age compromises her health and longevity. To breed these older bitches should not be done without a thorough health work-up and advice from your veterinarian. Before making a decision to spay/neuter your Ridgeback puppy at an age prior to one year, please investigate all sides of the debate, discuss the pros and cons thoroughly - first with your breeder and then with your veterinarian. A great resource for researching this subject is VETMED. You can subscribe to their archival information by going to [url]http://www.listserv.iupui/edu/archives/vetmed.html[/url] Doreen Kent Help break the chain of indiscriminate breeding - Be an angel - support RTI[/quote] :angel: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouseatthebusstop Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 before Glasis was spayed we talked it over with the vet and it was decided the right time was inbetween the first and second season right in the middle 12 weeks after the first day of her season. He said he would not spay any dog very early it can cause water leakage in later life. It is normal in the UK to spay later I agree with your quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Kat Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 In our practice we Spay bitches from 7 months on providing they haven't had a season or are approaching their first season. In this way the hormone levels are dampened down and there is no risk of a pseudopregnancy or associated complications when the bitch is spayed. For bitches in season we won't spay them until 13 weeks after their last season. This way the uterus is reduced in size and there is absolutely no risk of a concealed pyometra. The reason as to why spayed bitches have incontinence problems is down to the vet him/herself and how accurate they are with surgery. There is a very fine ligature linked over the uterus that stems from the bladder and if this is damaged during spaying then the bitch in later life, along with decreased exercise shows signs of bladder leakage. My boss is extremely careful when spaying and its a standing joke in our practice between the staff that he takes more loving care with the ligature than he does with his wife :P Spaying reduces ovarian cancer, and pyometra and is greatly encouraged when we are educating owners. As far as male dogs go, we neuter from 5 months onwards. The sooner that the neutering is done, the better. ie; if the animal doesn't discover his anatomy then behavioural problems resulting from elevated and incoherent hormonal levels is less likely to occur. With respect to the animals putting on weight and getting obese, this occurs due to owner ignorance. Hormonal effects don't decrease as soon as the animal is spayed/castrated but over the following weeks the hormonal levels reduce from 100% to 20%, and this causes a decrease in metabolic rate. Also hormonal levels decreasing instruct the animal that (females especially) she will never have to care for pups and she can start to lay down fat for herself and look after herself better , rather than having to keep burning fat to convert to carbohydates for energy in order to look after offspring. If an animals food is decreased by around a third of what it was originally getting and with sustained exercise then the animal will remain healthy and won't be prone to lay down fat. This is all advice that we give to owners when discussing aftercare prior to and following the operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosebud Posted September 12, 2003 Author Share Posted September 12, 2003 :D Thank you Kat. That really helps clear a few things up. May I cross-post back. :angel: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Kat Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 yes cetainly. If it helps educate people then go for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritsmom Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 I support pediatric (8-9 weeks old) spay/neuter, but only in a shelter setting. If the animal is owned then waiting is best, but for shelter animals I think it's better the pets go out altered than to go out on certificate/contract. That's my opinion only. Our shelter fixes every animal and has been doing so for 2 years now - I think it's a great thing for us to be doing as our adopted animals are definitely not breeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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