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[quote name='gentle_peace']Personally i cant understand how one can be an "animal lover" and yet hunt or eat animals.[/quote] I guess you hate animals then. Better not walk outside - you might step on an ant. Everything you do from driving a car to USING THAT COMPUTER causes animal death. So you can go curl up in a ball in the corner now. How many animals got ground up in the field that produced your vegan soy? I forgot they're "collateral damage" - out of sight, out of mind. HYPOCRITE I could care less what you eat, but when you try to enforce it on me you can go stuff yourself. And you are certainly NOT an animal lover if you support PETA. PETA is all about controlling people. If they spent as much money helping animals as they do on their stupid publicity stunts, they might actually do some good. Well, except that their version of "helping animals" means driving them extinct - dog, cats, anything "man-made". That means ending all pet ownership, ceasing all interaction between people and animals, and forcing veganism on the world. [quote]"The cat, like the dog, must disappear..... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist." -John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of a Changing Ethic, PETA 1982, p.15.[/quote] and a couple from our animal loving friend Ingrid.. [quote]"...Eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship, enjoyment at a distance." Ingrid Newkirk - Founder, PETA Harpers, August, 1988[/quote] [quote]"In a perfect world, all other than human animals would be free of human interference, dogs and cats would part of the ecological scheme." PETA's Statement on Companion Animals[/quote] And they are such warm and fuzzy little people haters.. [quote]I believe that this decade will see the first acts of true violence. Some may be accidental - like a bystander killed in a bomb blast; some will be deliberate - like a vivesector shot in the street. The violence will confuse and divide us, but it will be a temporary adjustment and then we will learn to live with it. -Victoria Miller, ARKI: Canadian Animal Rights Network, and former President, Toronto Humane Society (_Animals_Agenda_)[/quote] But seeing as you're statement above looks surprisingly like this one, I bet you don't care. [quote]"Humans have grown like cancer. We're the biggest blight on the face of the planet." Ingrid Newkirk - Founder, PETA Reader's Digest, June, 1990[/quote] When you join PETA do you get a little card with all of Ingrid's quotes on it so you can regurgitate the party line whenever the need arises? Oh and don't bother replying to this. I've wasted enough time on this already. I'm sure all those direct quotes from your animal loving friends will just bounce off your head and be ignored anyway.

[quote name='Sarahstaff']I don't have a very high opinion of your vet. Entropion is not hard to diagnose.[/quote] Not to mention an extremely painful and common condition in Rotties. It can cause ulceration of the cornea. Maybe that's why Patty's cranky!

Okay, I have deer in my yard and I live 10 miles from Wasington D.C. My parents have deer, my in-laws have deer... there are deer EVERYWHERE around here. I see at least one dead one on the road every day. My husband hit one a few months back - 50 miles per hour with a Jeep Wrangler. Ouch. We have so many deer I have seen 4 separate herds in my in-laws neighborhood alone. There are no farms here and only small strips of woods. There are, however, some larger yards with lovely flower beds that make ideal grazing areas for deer. I wish someone would thin the herds, but anytime someone puts forth the idea, the PETA nuts go apeshit. (And PETA's claims about nearly everything are bunk. I personally feel they do tremendous damage to their cause with their shrill bleating and idiotic and offensive publicity stunts.) Oh yeah, and I've also seen a coyote in a densely populated commercial area.

I don't know, but I doubt they are doing that kind of experimentation in front of HSUS members was my point. So, if indeed they are stopping the testing, then that's great. Still won't buy their "cr@p in a bag", but it'll make it easier to wear an armband with their logo on it at the shows they sponsor. Heh, I fold them in half anyways - Iams, Purina, Nutro... they all get hidden. :lol:

Looks like I am channeling [b]rotten_two.[/b] Simul-post! :o

Just so happens that there's a new book out that might help you. I ordered it the other day, but haven't received it yet. Check it out: [url=http://www.dogwise.com/ItemDetails.cfm?ID=DTB798]FIGHT! A PRACTICAL GUIDE TO THE TREATMENT OF DOG-DOG AGGRESSION by Jean Donaldson[/url] The author is fantastic.

Well, I was surprised to see this: [quote]The members of our Advisory Board are from respected animal welfare organizations such as the ASPCA and the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS).[/quote] HSUS is not what I consider a mainstream organization. I think of them as PETA-lite. If the above is true, you can be assured that they would be quite vocal if they found anything wrong. So, maybe Iams is cleaning up their act. Now if they'd just change their food. [img]http://mywebpages.comcast.net/blancm3/images/icon_crazy.gif[/img]

Oh, and I feed [url=http://www.thehonestkitchen.com]Honest Kitchen[/url]

[color=blue]Well, Iams has a new reply to all the allegations of abuse. Not that I believe a big corporation (that makes crummy food), but I'm not a fan of PETA either. So here's the "other side" crossposted from another list:[/color] Thank you for taking the time to contact us regarding the current issues surrounding our nutritional studies. We appreciate the fact that you want to learn about both sides of the issue. And we would greatly appreciate if you shared the facts with as many people as you wish! You've received some incorrect and outdated information. An extreme activist organization continues a misleading campaign featuring footage that's more than a year old of a facility we no longer use. This inaccurate account includes examples of dogs and cats that were not part of our studies, and makes claims of activities that we never authorized. We want to be perfectly clear: Iams will not fund or participate in any study requiring or resulting in the euthanasia of cats or dogs. This principle is just one of eight points in our strict research policy that is approved by an independent Animal Care Advisory Board. The members of our Advisory Board are from respected animal welfare organizations such as the ASPCA and the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). We chose these individuals because they share our interest in reducing, refining, and replacing animals in research. In addition, the Advisory Board conducts unannounced visits to review the care and welfare of the dogs and cats participating in our feeding studies at our internal and external sites. To see a summary of recent facility reports, to view video footage of animals in our care, or to review our research policy please visit our web site at [url]www.iamstruth.com[/url]. You can also see a facility report by utilizing the following URL: [url]http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iamsresearch[/url] Other important information we'd like to share: We support the ultimate elimination of laboratory feeding studies as scientifically valid alternatives become available. Iams is actively working with external partners to develop new research methods in pet nutrition which do not require laboratory feeding studies. We are taking full responsibility for the destiny of all dogs and cats that participate in our feeding studies at both internal and external sites. Our dogs and cats are either adopted into loving homes or placed in the Iams retirement center when they no longer participate in our feeding studies. This is unprecedented in the pet arena; we know of no other company that is taking this level of responsibility for the ongoing well-being of all dogs and cats with whom they work. We are proactively sharing the Iams Welfare Program for dogs and cats in an effort to make it the norm. An Iams Behaviorist has shared our socialization and enrichment program with shelters, veterinarians and others to illustrate that it's possible to enrich and socialize in such an environment. In addition, we recently presented our program to others in the pet food industry. We are committed to continual improvement in this area and are looking to adopt best practices in animal care and nutritional research wherever they are created. We will continue to actively search and reapply good ideas from around the world. Thank you again for taking the time to contact us and for giving us the opportunity to respond with the facts. If you need further information or have specific questions, please visit the Web site or contact Consumer Care at 800-525-4267. One of our advisors will be more than happy to speak with you about this very important issue. Sincerely, Sharon Iams Consumer Care, North America

I found him on a dog training website that I go to. I wouldn't normally call myself a bully fan, but he's disgustingly cute and I couldn't resist sharing him. And yeah, I'll stick around for awhile. Life is too short to get my panties in a twist over what people say on a message board. (Besides, I haven't had a good troll whacking in awhile.) [img]http://mywebpages.comcast.net/blancm3/images/whack.gif[/img]

I came back just for you. :wink: Look what I found: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~blancm3/images/humphrey01.jpg[/img] [img]http://home.comcast.net/~blancm3/images/humphrey02.jpg[/img] [img]http://home.comcast.net/~blancm3/images/humphrey03.jpg[/img] [img]http://home.comcast.net/~blancm3/images/humphrey05.jpg[/img]

It might be America's Pet Registry too: [url]http://www.aprpets.org/main/index.php[/url] This is the latest "big" one. It was started by and for commercial breeders. APR is the one taking the biggest bite out of AKC registrations right now. They will register anything with AKC papers. It is known as the puppymill registry.

That came out sounding worse than I thought so I apologize. I shouldn't post when I'm having a bad day.

[quote name='kendalyn']Mutts are all very different. It's almost impossible to go to a shelter and find two that look and act alike. I think that's where the choice part comes in. :)[/quote] Yes, exactly. You don't know what you are getting. I know what I want, and some people would like to take that choice away. Anyway, I'm going to remove myself from this board for awhile because my views are obviously not in tune with the current crop of members. This board used to be full of helpful people including hobby breeders. I rarely see them anymore, and now I know why.

That post was from me.